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00:00 < sipa> gleb: i think that's a fairly strong break with how p2p versions have historically been used (only for enabling new messages, but only negotiate actual behavior change through specific messages)
00:02 < sipa> but yes, you could say as of some version everything is default off, and anything you will use must be announced ahead of time
00:02 < sipa> that's what aj seema to suggest, actually
00:02 < gleb> sipa: Personally I have no problem with breaking that kind of historical behavior (maybe I just don't understand something), but I see why people might want to keep it.
00:02 < aj> gleb: it's a bigger change than strictly necessary
00:03 < gleb> Good point.
00:04 < sipa> gleb: the practical concern would say: say in v70018 a fancy new feature is added to the protocol, which a certain implementation needs... but now they're forced to make a somewhat more invasive change to accomodate this  opting in to everything
00:05 < aj> sipa: maybe that's a good reason for the opt-in to be 80000; that way opt-in only at version 70018, 19, 20, .. works for a bunch of features in the meantime
00:05 < sipa> it's easy to reconcile that though, i think: as long as one feature negotiation message is sent, everyrhing else is iff; if you send none, it is interpreted as some historical defaukt set
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00:52 < jonasschnelli> gitian builders: 0.21.0 detached signatures are ready. Start your builders.
01:01 < sipa> on it
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01:05 < wumpus> on it too, thanks for pushing the sigs so quickly
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01:22 < jonasschnelli> As for ##bitcoin-core-gui ... the mode is wrong. It should not be on invite (achow101 luke-jr). Will fix now.
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01:32 < jonasschnelli> ##bitcoin-core-gui has the correct mode now
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01:35 < jonatack> jonasschnelli: thanks, it's open again for me
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01:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20931: doc: Add historic 0.21.0 release notes (master...2101-docArchiveRelNotes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20931
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01:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cb2c57845177...ad571bd354cb
01:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faea902 MarcoFalke: doc: Add historic 0.21.0 release notes
01:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ad571bd Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20931: doc: Add historic 0.21.0 release notes
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01:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20931: doc: Add historic 0.21.0 release notes (master...2101-docArchiveRelNotes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20931
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01:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kiminuo opened pull request #20932: Introduce fsbridge::AbsPathJoin(base, p). (master...feature/fs-AbsPathJoin) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20932
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01:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20933: [0.21] doc: Archive release notes, Add template for minor release (0.21...2101-docBackport) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20933
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02:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ad571bd354cb...29d2aeb4a2b1
02:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa75d40 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Introduce CallOneOf helper to replace switch-case
02:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 29d2aeb MarcoFalke: Merge #20828: fuzz: Introduce CallOneOf helper to replace switch-case
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02:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20828: fuzz: Introduce CallOneOf helper to replace switch-case (master...2012-fuzzCallOneOf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20828
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02:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to 0.21: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/95ea54ba0896...7d8a10a6f4d6
02:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 b6d3502 MarcoFalke: doc: Archive release notes, Add template for minor release
02:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 7d8a10a Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20933: [0.21] doc: Archive release notes, Add template for minor re...
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02:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20933: [0.21] doc: Archive release notes, Add template for minor release (0.21...2101-docBackport) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20933
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03:02 < aj> MarcoFalke: does bitcoin-util/gitian work better if bitcoin-util.cpp has #include <atomic> ?
03:03 < MarcoFalke> Haven't tried it. I'll let the build people figure it out :)
03:03 < MarcoFalke> fanquake: ^ :)))
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03:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack reopened pull request #20546: policy, wallet, refactor: check for non-representable CFeeRates (master...non-representable-CFeeRate-check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20546
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03:37 < fanquake> aj: I have the solution for the reloc section issue for you
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04:24 < jonasschnelli> sipa: does it matter if we draw the poly1305 key or the 3 byte length encryption first from the ChaCha20 metadata stream?
04:24 < jonasschnelli> For the implementation, going with the 3 byte length encryption first would be simpler
04:33 < aj> jnewbery: what do you think of a "p2p agenda/priorities" page on the devwiki, that's just "current status" rather than an "rss feed/log" like the p2p meeting page is? be a nice place to capture/update todo lists, and could serve as an agenda each week (for both overall priorities and a hashtag-proposedp2pmeetingtopic thing) ?
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04:41 < Kiminuo> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20932 + @cirrus-ci
04:41 < Kiminuo> Win64 (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20932/checks?check_run_id=1700991165). Can anyone help me understand why building fails (only) for Win64?
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04:56 < wumpus> provoostenator: please whitelist magnet:?xt=urn:btih:665c5bdc6f49948e47c1098d91ace98bd216150e&dn=bitcoin-core-0.21.0
04:57 < wumpus> Kiminuo: strange!
04:57 < wumpus> I don't really understand it either
04:58 < Kiminuo> wumpus, I have tried to build on a Win64 machine (in MSVS) and it really fails to build
04:58 < Kiminuo> So that's probably worse than "Cirrus behaves weird"
04:58 < Kiminuo> and something is probably really broken.
04:58 < wumpus> I don't see anything in the code change that looks out of place; it could be a linker order issue with libraries in the makefile, but why it doesn't happen for anything else in fs.cpp would be a good question
04:59 < Kiminuo> yeah, that confuses me too
05:08 < jonatack> Kiminuo: naive question, are backslashes universally ok in the doxygen? 
05:08 < jnewbery> aj: I think it's a good idea. Do you think it's better to put it on the same page or a different wiki page?
05:10 < Kiminuo> jonatack, I did my best to write that doxygen comment but given that I don't have any experience with this type of documentation, I can't answer your question
05:10 < Kiminuo> I would love to see the result rendered too
05:10 < jonatack> Kiminuo: was just wondering if it could be some esoteric thing throwing off the compiler, i've seen stranger
05:12 < Kiminuo> jonatack, I see your point. I can try to remove that comment to see if something changes
05:14 < aj> jnewbery: different
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05:25 < Kiminuo> haha
05:25 < Kiminuo> it's INSIDE "#ifndef WIN32"
05:26 < Kiminuo> jonatack, time to laugh ;)
05:41 < wumpus> 🤦
05:41 < wumpus> well at least i'm happy it was simple
05:45 < aj> it's hard to make forward progress through your review queue when people reply to your comments :(
05:46 < aj> or maybe my problem is it's a review stack and not a review queue!
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05:52 < jonatack> Kiminuo: great!  *unclutches straws
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06:04 < fanquake> wumpus: congrats on another release 🚀
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07:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/29d2aeb4a2b1...f91587f050d9
07:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 85cc6be gzhao408: lock annotations for MemPoolAccept functions
07:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2f463f5 gzhao408: [doc] for CheckInputsFromMempoolAndCache
07:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f91587f fanquake: Merge #20834: locks and docs in ATMP and CheckInputsFromMempoolAndCache
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07:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #20834: locks and docs in ATMP and CheckInputsFromMempoolAndCache (master...2021-01-validation-cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20834
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07:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift reopened pull request #20089: validation: Increase robustness when loading malformed mempool.dat files (LoadMempool) (master...load-mempool-robustness) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20089
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07:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift closed pull request #20089: validation: Increase robustness when loading malformed mempool.dat files (LoadMempool) (master...load-mempool-robustness) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20089
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07:49 < jnewbery> aj: ACK. If you create the first version of the page I can link to it from the p2p meeting page, and I'll add my own priorities
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07:58 < prusnak> congratulations on the 0.21.0 release!
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08:24 < vasild> MarcoFalke: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20845 -- "incoming onions are also treated as local peers and should thus not be excepted..."
08:25 < vasild> there may be "normal" local peers and "onion" peers that look like local, do we want to log all of them with LogPrint(BCLog::NET?
08:25 < vasild> both types
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08:26 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] danben opened pull request #20936: build: build fuzz tests by default (master...build-fuzz-tests-by-default) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20936
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08:26 < vasild> from the description it looks to me that the intention is to only LogPrint(BCLog::NET the onion peers
08:26 < vasild> but this is not what the patch does
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10:22 < MarcoFalke> vasild: It probably hurts more to log onion unconditionally than it does to log "normal local peers" with the category only
10:23 < MarcoFalke> See also https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20724#discussion_r553046139
10:24 < MarcoFalke> quote: "log [...] of manual connections too -- though would need to do something cleverer"
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10:25 < MarcoFalke> Once we have agreement and a solution to log manual connections unconditionally throughout net for misbehavior/disconnect, we can also fine tune for "normal local peers"
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11:00 < jnewbery> moot?
11:01 < jonasschnelli> miit?
11:03 < sipa> Beech, oak, chestnut, ash... Good, good, good. Many have come.
11:03 < wumpus> #startmeeting
11:03 < core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 14 19:03:20 2021 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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11:03 < jnewbery> woah don't be so hasty there sipa
11:03 < kanzure> hi
11:03 < jonatack> hi
11:03 < emzy> hi
11:03 < jnewbery> hi
11:03 < jonasschnelli> hi
11:03 < fjahr> hi
11:03 < hebasto> hi
11:03 < sipa> hi
11:03 < wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 aj amiti ariard bluematt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik
11:03 < wumpus> petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild wumpus
11:03 < achow101> hi
11:03 < sipa> congrats on 0.21 everyone!
11:04 < wumpus> yes, congrats on the release
11:04 < jnewbery> congrats everyone!
11:04 < emzy> \o/
11:04 < wumpus> no proposed meeting topics in http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt 
11:04 < MarcoFalke> \o/
11:04 < fjahr> \o/
11:04 < wumpus> any last-minute topics ?
11:05 < MarcoFalke> I'd like to add #20715  to high prio :)
11:05 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20715 | util: Add ArgsManager::GetCommand() and use it in bitcoin-wallet by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #20715 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:06 < jonatack> #20391 for me, please 
11:06 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20391 | wallet: introduce setfeerate (an improved settxfee, in sat/vB) by jonatack · Pull Request #20391 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:06 < wumpus> #topic High priority for review
11:06 < core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
11:06 < fjahr> #19145 for me please
11:06 < wumpus> we weren't there yet :)
11:06 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19145 | Add hash_type MUHASH for gettxoutsetinfo by fjahr · Pull Request #19145 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:06 < wumpus> MarcoFalke: replacing #20362?
11:06 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20362 | test: Implicitly sync after generate* to preempt races and intermittent test failures by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #20362 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:07 < jnewbery> wumpus: can we move #20557 to high priority bug fixes? PR #16702 broke some aspects of addrman deserialization and it'd be nice to fix them
11:07 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20557 | addrman: Fix new table bucketing during unserialization by jnewbery · Pull Request #20557 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:07 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16702 | p2p: supplying and using asmap to improve IP bucketing in addrman by naumenkogs · Pull Request #16702 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:07 < MarcoFalke> wumpus: Jup
11:09 < jamesob> hi
11:09 < wumpus> MarcoFalke jonatack  fjahr jnewbery: done
11:09 < fjahr> wumpus: thank you!
11:10 < jonatack> thanks! (i'd like to either finish up the ongoing feerate sat/B migration and CFeeRate refactoring, or close it out as up for grabs)
11:10 < wumpus> at last, something new to review again!
11:11 < luke-jr> >implying there was ever a shortage
11:11 < wumpus> heh
11:11 < jonatack> jnewbery: agree, good choice
11:11 < wumpus> any other PRs to add/remove or that are almost ready for merge?
11:11 < jamesob> I think #19806 is pretty close to ready. More generally I'm kind of curious with how the g_chainman work is going to interface with the assumeutxo work; the two are going to step on each others' toes I think
11:11 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19806 | validation: UTXO snapshot activation by jamesob · Pull Request #19806 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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11:12 < jamesob> (referring to #20749)
11:12 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20749 | [Bundle 1/n] Prune g_chainman usage related to ::LookupBlockIndex by dongcarl · Pull Request #20749 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:13 < dongcarl> hi
11:13 < wumpus> the g_chainman work is necessary for factoring out the consensus code (libbitcoin_kernel) so fairly important
11:13 < dongcarl> jamesob: What parts are you most concerned about? Happy to talk through it and see how we can work it out
11:14 < sipa> jamesob, dongcarl: ideally you two figure out how to order things
11:14 < jamesob> there are some parts of assumeutxo that add chainstate-related calls to, say, net_processing so we probably need to sequence the changes somehow
11:14 < jamesob> I'm pretty flexible but also want to know whether to steel myself for rebase hell :)
11:14 < wumpus> maybe that can get rid of the circular dependency as well :)
11:14 < jamesob> let's hope
11:14 < wumpus> it's really a blemish
11:15 < dongcarl> jamesob: I think we can do it in an order or in a way that makes rebase easier, happy to chat offline and plan this out
11:15 < jamesob> that's the trouble with validation though - it's pretty challenging to yank parts out of it
11:15 < jamesob> dongcarl: sure, sounds good
11:16 < wumpus> i wish the utxo load/store stuff was not part of validation but a module in itself but yes it's not easy design
11:16 < jamesob> agreed, but it's not trivial to untangle in my experience
11:17 < wumpus> right
11:18 < wumpus> anyone with another topic suggestion for today?
11:19 < wumpus> that's a short meeting then, this time!
11:19 < wumpus> #endmeeting
11:19 < core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
11:19 < core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 19:19:39 2021 UTC.  
11:19 < core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-01-14-19.03.moin.txt
11:19 < jonasschnelli> \o
11:19 < jnewbery> short meetings are good meetings. Thanks wumpus!
11:20 < sdaftuar> did i miss the congrats on 0.21 part?  oops.  congrats on 0.21 everyone :)
11:20 < luke-jr> XD
11:20 < luke-jr> yes
11:20 < luke-jr> [19:03:57] <sipa> congrats on 0.21 everyone!
11:20 < wumpus> congrats sdaftuar 
11:20 < wumpus> jnewbery: agree
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11:53 < midnight> yeah folks, thanks for the effort! \o/
11:56 < midnight> also: <3
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17:52 < sipa> fjahr, elichai2: down to 54 us
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18:29 < Arvidt> Congrats for Release! Where can one see how many Onion Nodes are there? bitnodes leaderboard does only show _26_ ?
18:31 < sipa> Arvidt: there is no authorative source
18:32 < Arvidt> Yes I know
18:32 < sipa> so i'm afraid the only correct answer is "nobody knows" - various sites may try to index them, but that's always going to be approximate
18:35 < Arvidt> Bitnodes knows 9 thousand nodes, strange it knows only 26 onion nodes
18:37 < sipa> my crawler knows a few 1000
18:46 < luke-jr> quite possible for onions to not be listening either, in which case glwt :P
18:47 < luke-jr> sipa: only torV2 tho, right?
18:47 < sipa> luke-jr: yes
18:47 < luke-jr> my crawler has only been doing tor for like a month and it sees 4012 :o
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19:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #20938: Fix linking against -latomic when building for riscv (master...fix_riscv_atomic_usage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20938
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19:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #20939: build: fix RELOC_SECTION security check for bitcoin-util (master...fix_bitcoin_util_reloc_section) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20939
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19:14 < aj> fanquake: nice
19:15 < fanquake> aj: now that's solved I guess I'm free to go watch the cricket
19:15 < sipa> the sport or the insect?
19:16 < luke-jr> insect sounds more interesting
19:16 < sipa> agree.
19:17 < fanquake> 😢 This game will only go for the next 5 days
19:18 < sipa> crickets live that long?
19:18 < fanquake> I'll try find one and let you know
19:19 < sipa> haha
19:20 < luke-jr> XD
19:21  * luke-jr remembers the time a Japanese bitcoiner visited him and we went shooting guns out back for the lulz
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21:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jarolrod opened pull request #20941: rpc: document RPC_TRANSACTION_ALREADY_IN_CHAIN exception (master...rpcman-sendrawtx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20941
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