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01:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #22688: contrb: use `keyserver.ubuntu.com` to retrieve builder keys (master...use_ubuntu_keyserver) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22688
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01:48 < vasild> What's the preferred way to choose (hopefully) unused ports in the functional tests, in addition to p2p and rpc?
01:51 < vasild> Just hardcoding a seemingly random port and binding to it seems like a bad idea - will collide with something sooner or later.
01:58 < darosior> vasild: bind to 0? The kernel will give you an available port
01:58 < vasild> :-O
01:58 < vasild> I wasn't aware of that
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02:03 < vasild> darosior: it is not a generic solution because in many cases we want to tell bitcoind (from tests): "please bind on port 1234" and then we try to connect to 1234 from the tests, so bitcoind would have to bind to 0 and somehow report the port it got. But in my case where I do the bind() from the python testing framework it may work, trying...
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02:11 < darosior> It may be a bit racy but in the first scenario you could always do a dummy bind() on the Python side (with SO_REUSEADDR to avoid waiting) to get an available port and pass that to bitcoind. There is very little chance a process on the host machine would decide to bind to this port in the meantime
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02:13 < vasild> darosior: yeah, but that's not necessary as for now I am just looking at the simpler scenario where the listener is the python code
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02:42 < vasild> darosior: It works! Excellent suggestion, thanks!
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03:28 < laanwj> we need some standard way in the test framework for tests to request extra ports, i guess
03:28 < laanwj> make sure they're all given out in a similar way to minimize clashes
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04:37 < laanwj> i guess some of the tests (such as the socks proxy one) already need an extra port
04:47 < vasild> laanwj: "make sure they're all given out in a similar way to minimize clashes" -- indeed!
04:48 < vasild> we lack such a way, maybe introduce extra_port(node_number) in addition to p2p_port(node_number) and rpc_port(node_number)
04:49 < vasild> a workaround trick would be to use p2p_port(n) with n > number of nodes used in the test and n < MAX_NODES (12)
04:49 < vasild> e.g. if a test uses 3 nodes, then p2p_port(4) is going to be free
05:12 < laanwj> that might be a good idea, can't think of any issue with that
05:12 < laanwj> though it will be important to comment the intent in the code when doing that, to make future maintainers not scratch their head :)
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07:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] josibake opened pull request #22689: rpc: properly deprecate mempool entry fee fields (master...josibake-deprecate-mempool-entry-fee-fields) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22689
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09:53 < shiza> I find <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/0.21/doc/release-notes.md> a little bit arid compared to <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/22.x/doc/release-notes.md>?
09:57 < laanwj> the 22.0 preliminary release notes are still on the wiki (link should be at the top), they'll be merged into the branch after the rcs
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10:03 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #360: Unregister wallet notifications before unloading wallets (master...pr/qtwd) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/360
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10:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9948f114f8e6...439e58c4d819
10:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 93cc53a Russell Yanofsky: gui: Unregister wallet notifications before unloading wallets
10:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 439e58c Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#360: Unregister wallet notifications before unloadi...
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10:10 < shiza> laanwj: Ah, I was trying to capture the attention on the upcoming 0.21 release notes.
10:11 < shiza> I think there's a new release manager for that, just trying to keep an extra eye.
10:28 < luke-jr> I think #21848 introduces a bug in the case the user has configured a large (>4 GB) mempool with high descendant limits, and spams his mempool with >4 GB of chained transactions
10:28 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21848 | refactor: Make CFeeRate constructor architecture-independent by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #21848 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
10:29 < luke-jr> possibly something needs to trigger TrimToSize also
10:29 < luke-jr> (but not when/if #21422 gets merged)
10:29 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21422 | Add feerate histogram to getmempoolinfo by kiminuo · Pull Request #21422 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
10:31 < luke-jr> very edge case, but might be better to fix it
10:31 < luke-jr> MarcoFalke: ^ thoughts?
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10:46 < Guest32> Is Homomorphic Encryption used in any known coin?
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11:01 < luke-jr> Guest32: off-topic here
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11:23 < Guest32> luke-jr Where would be a good place to ask this?
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11:55 < michaelfolkson> Guest32: https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/homomorphic-encryption
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11:57 < michaelfolkson> I think Grin, Beam do but yeah off topic here https://medium.com/scalar-capital/behind-mimblewimble-cd9da78a00e9
12:00 < laanwj> #startmeeting
12:00 < core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 12 19:00:22 2021 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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12:00 < laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos
12:00 < laanwj> nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
12:00 < meshcollider> hi
12:00 < gene> hi
12:00 < larryruane> hi
12:00 < laanwj> welcome to the weekly bitcoin-core-dev meeting
12:00 < michaelfolkson> hi
12:00 < jonatack> hi
12:01 < jamesob> hi
12:01 < achow101> hi
12:01 < laanwj> there have been no proposed topics using #proposedmeetingtopic
12:01 < laanwj> any last minute ones?
12:01 < jamesob> can I talk about the state of assumeutxo? pretty brief, mostly a beg
12:01 < laanwj> PSA: 0.21.2rc1 was tagged today
12:02 < laanwj> jamesob: sure!
12:02 < laanwj> i'll announce the topic
12:02 < gleb7> Hi
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12:03 < laanwj> we'll start with "high priority for review" as usual
12:03 < laanwj> #topic High priority for review
12:03 < core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
12:03 < hebasto> hi
12:03 < kanzure> hi
12:04 < laanwj> current status: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8   5 blockers, no bugfixes or chasing concept ACK
12:04 < laanwj> anything to add/remove, or that is ready for merge?
12:06 < jonatack> i'm going through #21526 commit-by-commit right now.  spent some time while my machine was blocked gitian building today to catch up on the context and progress. 
12:06 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21526 | validation: UpdateTip/CheckBlockIndex assumeutxo support by jamesob · Pull Request #21526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:06 < laanwj> jonatack: great!
12:06 < jonatack> (it's been through a number of review cycles and seems close)  
12:07 < laanwj> that's good to know
12:07 < laanwj> no one has new high prio PRs to propose?
12:08 < jonatack> i wonder if #22651 and #22648 should be considered for 22.0 but might be late for it
12:08 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22651 | tor: respect non-onion -onlynet= for outgoing Tor connections by vasild · Pull Request #22651 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:08 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22648 | doc, test: improve i2p/tor docs and i2p reachable unit tests by jonatack · Pull Request #22648 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:08 < laanwj> only if they're considered bugfixes
12:08 < jonatack> this seems to be a source of new confusion for people who are running I2P for the first time
12:09 < luke-jr> would be nice to finally get #12677 in
12:09 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12677 | RPC: Add ancestor{count,size,fees} to listunspent output by luke-jr · Pull Request #12677 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:09 < laanwj> as for the doc PR, sure
12:10 < laanwj> luke-jr: added
12:11 < laanwj> #topic The state of assumeutxo (jamesob)
12:11 < core-meetingbot> topic: The state of assumeutxo (jamesob)
12:11 < jamesob> many of you are probably familiar with assumeutxo (#15606). I think this is a pretty high-value feature that not only solves some existing problems today (e.g. people offering GPG-signed datadirs to speed bootstrapping in various thirdparty projects, linear-time IBD which isn't scalable), but also promises some interesting optimizations down the road (e.g. parallel n chainstate validation a la utreexo).
12:11 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15606 | assumeutxo by jamesob · Pull Request #15606 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:12 < jamesob> (worth noting that AU has also helped other interesting projects like chainstate deglobalization and so indirectly libbitcoinkernel)
12:12 < jamesob> the draft implementation of this has been under review for almost two and a half years now, and I'm a little concerned with the rate of progress - especially relative to the effort needed to keep the change rebased. At this rate it feels like it'll be another two years before the feature is actually available to end users.
12:12 < jamesob> 15606 has recently undergone thorough review by ryanofsky, and subsequently I made a number of improvements based on his feedback. I think the PR is in a pretty good state, with functional tests, scripts, release notes, doc etc. and I'd like to do anything I can to help get it reviewed and merged in a timely way.
12:12 < jamesob> if others could look the PR over I'd be really thankful, and I'm curious if anyone has any good ideas for how we might expedite the process so that assumeutxo isn't in progress for another few years; e.g. should I be doing larger PRs so as to consolidate review/test cycles?
12:13 < jonatack> jamesob: it might be helpful to clarify in the 15606 where 21526 fits in the roadmap
12:13 < laanwj> we should be able to merge feature PRs quicker while we're early in the 23.0 release cycle
12:14 < jamesob> jonatack: sure - 21526 is just the first few commits of 15606; the latter represents the complete set of commits needed to implement assumeutxo
12:14 < laanwj> but I guess it's all bottlenecked by review as usual
12:14 < jonatack> jamesob: i ended up ~figuring it out by going through the various docs
12:14 < luke-jr> I think smaller PRs would go faster, but maybe it's just me
12:14 < jonatack> yes
12:14 < laanwj> there's definitely a compromise there, too small PRs and people get tired of reviewing them if there's no clear forward progress
12:14 < jamesob> luke-jr: that's what I've been trying to do, but smaller PRs seem to take almost a fixed amount of time in overhead, and part of me wonders if it doesn't make sense to amortize review and test
12:15 < jamesob> e.g. the taproot PRs were fairly large and everyone was able to focus review/test on just a few PRs
12:15 < laanwj> but too many changes at once and everyone just puts it off
12:15 < laanwj> yes
12:15 < jonatack> jamesob: istm that there has some ongoing (and good) redesigning too that bubbles back across the changes
12:16 < jamesob> istm?
12:16 < jonatack> it seems to me. so that adds time but if the result is better...
12:16 < laanwj> i agree it's taking very long
12:16 < jamesob> there have certainly been some minor redesigns, but I would say they are essentially marginal refactors done for clarity
12:17 < jamesob> but of course I don't want to merge anything doesn't meet our standards
12:17 < jamesob> I'm just concerned that this has taken 2.5 years and I'm _maybe_ halfway through
12:17 < laanwj> you definitely didn't pick the easiest thing to integrate
12:17 < jamesob> haha, that's fair
12:18 < sipa> yeah, and it's something pretty invasive that many people perhaps aren't very keen on touching
12:18 < jonatack> yes, just been trying to catch up today on the context. progress could very well accelerate at a tipping point of "it's ready" :)
12:18 < luke-jr> I've avoided it because it feels huge, though looking at the current diff maybe not too bad
12:18 < sipa> (by which i don't mean it shouldn't be done - just that reviewers tend to focus on other more shortterm things)
12:19 < jamesob> well hey as long as you guys will write me attestations for sponsors that this thing is worth devoting time to lol
12:19 < jamesob> anyway, thanks for the consideration
12:20 < laanwj> thanks for the update!
12:20 < laanwj> i really hope it won't take another two years
12:20 < laanwj> any other topics for today?
12:20 < michaelfolkson> As laanwj says next few months seems like a good opportunity to make speedier progress as things seem to be quieter
12:20 < larryruane> there's something of a paradox, because when something is well-written (as I suspect this is), people are reluctant to review because they suspect they won't come up with anything to suggest
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12:21 < jamesob> larryruane: I've proposed a number of bugs over the years so that absolutely shouldn't be the case :P
12:21 < larryruane> haha
12:21 < michaelfolkson> Higher up the priority list now (perhaps)
12:22 < laanwj> right
12:23 < laanwj> #endmeeting
12:23 < core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
12:23 < core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Aug 12 19:23:21 2021 UTC.  
12:23 < core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-08-12-19.00.moin.txt
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12:31 < jonatack> PR 22648 (the I2P doc one) depends in part on the -onlynet bugfix PR 22651, so it's best if that one is merged or postponed first
12:32 < jonatack> so the documentation in 22648 is correct
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12:46 < bitcoin-git> [gui] luke-jr opened pull request #404: Fix various edge case bugs in QValidatedLineEdit (master...bugfix_qvalidlineedit) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/404
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13:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jamesob opened pull request #22692: builder-keys: add jamesob (master...add-jamesob-builder) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22692
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17:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #22693: RPC/Wallet: Add "txids" Array to getaddressinfo result for used addresses (master...getaddressinfo_txids) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22693
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23:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Zero-1729 opened pull request #22695: build: enable SC2046 and SC2086 in lint-shell (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22695
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23:22 < vasild> jonatack: laanwj: wrt #22651 being in 22.0 -- it is not a regression bug (ie has existed in previous releases)
23:22 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22651 | tor: respect non-onion -onlynet= for outgoing Tor connections by vasild · Pull Request #22651 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
23:45 < vasild> The current p2p_port() could result in collisions: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/439e58c4d8194ca37f70346727d31f52e69592ec/test/functional/test_framework/util.py#L311
23:46 < vasild> if PortSeed.n=4782, then p2p_port(6)=13533
23:47 < vasild> if PortSeed.n=5198, then p2p_port(1)=13533
23:47 < vasild> for example
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