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01:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #22741: test: Add generate* calls to test framework (master...2108-testSync01) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22741
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01:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] S3RK opened pull request #22742: test: fix bug in 22686 (master...fix_22686) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22742
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04:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #22744: ci: Re-enable verify-commits.py check (master...2108-ciVerifyCommits) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22744
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06:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b784ab10f555...b6a8e68b4e11
06:09 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 939640f Hennadii Stepanov: ci: Reorder scripts to make git available before depends_sources_cache
06:09 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f52a72a Hennadii Stepanov: ci: Invalidate depends caches when sources have been changed
06:09 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b6a8e68 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22710: ci: Invalidate depends caches when sources ha...
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06:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22710: ci: Invalidate depends caches when sources have been changed (master...210815-ci) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22710
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06:27 < prayank> sipa: which tools allow users to broadcast tx to specific peers? I tried libbtc but it doesn't work as expected
06:28 < sipa> prayank: at least https://github.com/laanwj/bitcoin-submittx
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06:29 < prayank> Interesting. Thanks for the link. Will try it today.
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06:31 < sipa> but even if that doesn't suffice, there isn't much need for this functionality to be in bitcoin core - it doesn't need an actual node
06:32 < prayank> It doesn't need an actual node? Didn't understand this
06:33 < sipa> the thing sending the transaction doesn't need a node
06:34 < sipa> so it's restrictive to build it into bitcoin core; it's more usable if it's something external
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06:37 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #20362: test: Implicitly sync after generate* to preempt races and intermittent test failures (master...2011-noSync) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20362
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06:38 < prayank> If you are using a node it will broadcast transactions. If it is not using Tor/i2p which most of the nodes do, your peers can keep an eye on your transactions. Let's assume every time I launch Bitcoin Core it connects with 3 spy nodes. This functionality can improve privacy by making it difficult for spy nodes to follow specific pattern. But I agree few things are best when added as plugins. Unfortunately we don't have plugins in Core.
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06:43 < laanwj> if you know what peer you want to send the transaction to, submittx does exactly what you want
06:44 < prayank> Cool. Will be experimenting with it in next few hours.
06:44 < sipa> prayank: yes, if you have a node, it will broadcast transactions for you, that's one of its functions - but other software can send transactions too
06:44 < laanwj> it supports tor and other socks5-ish proxies, it will not connect to any peers you don't specify
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06:49 < laanwj> i can't think of any reason why a "plugin" would be better here, as a separate program it's self-contained, and can be run in a different execution context, IIRC it requires nothing special, it will run on any VM with any kind of python3 installed
06:50 < laanwj> information leakage is kept to a minimum, too, with an extra P2P connection in bitcoin core there's always the risk of some fingerprinting vector we don't yet know of, for example
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07:06 < Chris_Stewart_5> Is it possible to configure bitcoind such that 
07:06 < Chris_Stewart_5> 1. It allows inbound connections, 2. Doesn't gossip the peer address across the bitcoin network
07:07 < Chris_Stewart_5> The goal is to only allow users with the ip address to connect via p2p. The motivation for this is there is like 0 blockfilter nodes on the network, and connections get saturated with normal full nodes AFAICT rather than blockfilter clients
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07:13 < ariard> #proposemeetingtopic coredev updates :)
07:13 < jnewbery> Chris_Steward_5: not that I can think of. The -listen argument toggles a global fListen flag, which controls both whether we start accepting incoming connections *and* whether we self-advertise our local address
07:13 < laanwj> only inbound connections can be done using -noconnect, i don't know if there is a way to disable gossip
07:14 < jonatack> Chris_Stewart_5: would the section in doc/tor.md "Manually create a Bitcoin Core onion service" do what you want? e.g. 
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07:15 < jonatack> -externalip= ...  -bind= ...    (if you are running a hidden service)
07:17 < jonatack> (i run a blockfilter node :)
07:17 < Chris_Stewart_5> jonatack: That might be work, but unfortunately this is needed on a short time line so I don't have time to research. Thanks for the suggestion tho :-)
07:19 < Chris_Stewart_5> jnewbery: Thanks for the answer, it could be a useful feature in the future perhaps :man_shrugging:
07:21 < laanwj> with -externalip you can override the IPs that are gossiped, i'm not sure you can set it to not gossip any at all
07:21 < laanwj> -noexternalip would be interesting
07:24 < laanwj> it might work to provide a non-gossip address e.g. -externalip=127.0.0.1
07:24 < laanwj> but if it works that's quite an ugly hack
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07:27 < jonatack> it's been on my list to review + play around with -externalip more (and maybe improve its help in src/init.cpp, which doesn't have the externalip info in doc/tor.md) 
07:28 < prayank> laanwj: let me know if my understanding of this tool is correct. I think this tool takes a signed transaction hex and few node addresses as input, broadcasts the tx and disconnect?
07:32 < laanwj> prayank: correct
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07:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] suriyaa opened pull request #22746: doc: Update GitHub documentation links (master...github-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22746
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07:39 < prayank> Thanks. I think this will be helpful. Although I might add few things in it or maybe create similar project using other language. It should connect with a list of peers, then broadcast tx to a subset of this list and remain connected with all peers until users closes it manually.
07:40 < laanwj> keeping it connected should be pretty straightforward
07:42 < laanwj> i don't see why to stay connected though, it's just wasting connection slots
07:44 < laanwj> i should probably merge the outstanding PRs as well (sorry achow101)
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10:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b6a8e68b4e11...92f3a4b4d053
10:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8dcbbbe S3RK: test: fix bug in 22686
10:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 92f3a4b MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22742: test: Use proper target in do_fund_send
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10:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22742: test: Use proper target in do_fund_send  (master...fix_22686) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22742
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10:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #22748: Avoid temporary vectors/uint256s in VerifyTaprootCommitment (master...202108_xonlyspan) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22748
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10:53 < michaelfolkson> ariard: s/proposemeetingtopic/proposedmeetingtopic
10:59 < michaelfolkson> (if you want this to pick it up https://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt)
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11:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #22749: ci: Run arm task on arm64 hardware (master...2108-ciArm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22749
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11:06 < ariard> michaelfokson: yeah never remember which one is correct between verb/past tense
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11:37 < laanwj> it's okay, i saw it
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11:59 < gene> hi
12:00 < laanwj> #startmeeting
12:00 < core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 19 19:00:17 2021 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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12:01 < michaelfolkson> hi
12:01 < laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos
12:01 < laanwj> nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
12:01 < jarolrod> hi
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12:01 < laanwj> one proposed meeting topic for today: Coredev updates (ariard)
12:01 < luke-jr> ..
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12:01 < gleb7> #proposedmeetingtopic Erlay update
12:02 < laanwj> PSA we are currently testing two versions: 22.0rc2 (#22634) 0.21.2rc1 (#22720), please report any issues you find
12:02 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22634 | v22.0 testing · Issue #22634 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:02 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22720 | v0.21.2 Testing · Issue #22720 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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12:03 < jonatack> hi
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12:03 < laanwj> #topic High priority for review
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12:04 < laanwj> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 currently 6 blockers, no bugfixes, nothing chasing concept ACK
12:04 < laanwj> (i don't know why we still have the bugfix and chasing concept categories in high prio, we never put any PRs in them)
12:05 < laanwj> anything to add/remove, or that is (almost) ready for merge?
12:05 < ariard> because we never have bugs :p
12:05 < laanwj> ariard: that must be it!
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12:06 < michaelfolkson> I'm sure there are things chasing concept too but just not high prio (maybe)
12:06 < laanwj> yeah, probably, if you think anything should be added just mention it
12:07 < sipa> hi
12:08 < laanwj> there doesn't seem much to discuss with regard to high prio today, let's move to the next topic
12:08 < laanwj> #topic Coredev updates (ariard)
12:08 < core-meetingbot> topic: Coredev updates (ariard)
12:08 < ariard> hi
12:08 < real_or_random> hi
12:08 < ariard> so we have a new country, speedy trial of france didn't work :)
12:09 < ariard> we got optimistic answers from new sponsors to feed the coredev fund, just a bit of legal structuring
12:09 < ariard> the good news, it should also cover next editions
12:09 < laanwj> great!
12:09 < ariard> i'll send a last mail next week to setup a signal group, and i think the process for travel subsidy
12:10 < jonatack> france is doing a speedy trial of the reset i guess :D 
12:10 < ariard> all future communications will happen on signal
12:10 < sipa> so, zurich?
12:10 < ariard> sipa: you said the name first, you owe a beer to every attendees :p
12:10 < ariard> yes zurich
12:10 < sipa> [1 non-fungible beer token at "The International
12:11 < ariard> Yeah Switzerland is great we have mountains near
12:12 < ariard> Restrictions are pretty loose compare to other european countries, I think we'll stick to it
12:12 < ariard> Like worst-case scenario I can think of is travel ban of non-vaccinated US people
12:12 < ariard> If that happen, I'll feel sorry for our american friends but still maintain switzerland
12:13 < sipa> especially in the US it's very easy to get vaccinated...
12:13 < ariard> I've also received messages for talk scheduling, we'll folks self-organize on the signal :)
12:13 < luke-jr> why would it be non-vaccinated US people? O.o
12:13 < sipa> unless for medical reasons of course
12:13 < jonatack> luke-jr: legislation floated by the US congress, not swiss side yet (afaik)
12:13 < luke-jr> i c
12:13 < luke-jr> last I heard that was destination-independent anyway
12:13 < ariard> luke-jr: yeah swiss has committed to not harden the restrictions and instead call on personal responsibility
12:13 < achow101> apparently the US is currently requiring a negative covid test to enter the country, regardless of vaccination status and citizenship
12:14 < ariard> here: https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/documentation/media-releases.msg-id-84676.html
12:14 < achow101> this could pose some issues for return
12:14 < ariard> achow101: you mean US -> Switzerland or Switzerland -> US ?
12:14 < achow101> switzerland -> US
12:15 < jonatack> luke-jr: https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1426884920295755783 
12:15 < jonatack> https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4980
12:15 < ariard> achow101: yeah a negative covid test is pretty the norm for any cross-border travel those days
12:15 < gleb7> that was also my experienw
12:16 < ariard> achow101: i expect tests to be pretty available in zurich?
12:16 < sipa> i can't imagine that that would be a problem
12:16 < ariard> yeah that zurich, ch not bitcoin beach, el salvador :)
12:17 < michaelfolkson> I'm assuming there will be teleconferencing for Aus, NZ etc? At least for some sessions? Getting balance between privacy and openness to those not present is always tricky
12:17 < sipa> that would be very hard i think
12:17 < luke-jr> michaelfolkson: if it were possible, it'd make more sense for everyone to tele
12:17 < michaelfolkson> I guess...
12:17 < sipa> coredev isn't really organized... lots of just random people starting a conversation
12:17 < luke-jr> but the point of in person is that it's in person
12:18 < michaelfolkson> Ok
12:18 < luke-jr> (and the benefits you get from that)
12:18 < gleb7> I think we should ask aus people of what they think they could use from the meeting, based on the previous experience and their personal view of productivity.
12:19 < jonatack> michaelfolkson: i've never attended coredev, but i imagine previously holding some of them (roughly one in three?) in tokyo helped with this 
12:19 < luke-jr> (also reminder that not only aus/nz are isolating)
12:19 < michaelfolkson> Right, those are examples I know of
12:20 < ariard> Yeah I'll reach out to aussies if they have topics to propose
12:21 < ariard> And last thing, if you wanna to stay for the weekend feel free to do so, few people were willingly to do outdoor activities/team building :)
12:21 < ariard> voila voila, the following on signal
12:21 < laanwj> thanks for the update ariard 
12:22 < laanwj> #topic Erlay update (gleb7)
12:22 < core-meetingbot> topic: Erlay update (gleb7)
12:22 < jarolrod> thanks for the update!
12:22 < gleb7> Okay so to move forward with erlay I created 2 meta-issues in my repo. I want to use them for discussion, as I need some help at this point.
12:23 < gleb7> First, there is an issue describing all the stuff going on with transaction announcement bandwidth.
12:23 < michaelfolkson> Chasing concept? :)
12:23 < gleb7> After protocol change we agreed on with greg and peter lately, the overall node saving is probably gonna be about 15-30% bandwidth... 
12:23 < gleb7> So for example I wanna hear that we are willing to add complexity and that's justified by the gain.
12:23 < sipa> gleb7: how much was it before?
12:24 < gleb7> sipa: i claimed to save up to 50% in the paper (for 8 conns)
12:24 < sipa> but higher numbers with more connections, i assume?
12:24 < gleb7> yes indeed
12:25 < sipa> because that's the real justification - having sublinear bandwidth growth as the number of connections increases
12:25 < gleb7> I was thinking about that as well... Connectivity increase doesn't necessarily mean tx relay over them, right?
12:26 < gleb7> Relaying txs over more links is good too (for compact blocks, for privacy potentially)
12:26 < sipa> block-only connections are an obvious way of increasing connectivity without increasing bandwidth (much)
12:26 < sipa> but ideally, with erlay you should be able to get nearly the same
12:26 < gleb7> that holds.
12:27 < gleb7> Also, there is a bandwidth/latency trade-off again. A bit slower relay gives better bandwidth savings. That's also to re-discuss probably.
12:27 < gleb7> So yeah here's the first link
12:27 < gleb7> https://github.com/naumenkogs/txrelaysim/issues/7
12:27 < gleb7> A lot of high-level text, enjoy and comment please :) Be ready to allocate maybe 10 minutes for that read.
12:28 < gleb7> The second link is an invitation to join my experimental erlay mainnet nodes.
12:28 < gleb7> I run 8 nodes with erlay enabled, just connect to them and see impact (instruction provided).
12:28 < gleb7> https://github.com/naumenkogs/txrelaysim/issues/8
12:28 < sipa> i will join
12:28 < laanwj> should i add that issue to chasing concept ACK in high prio for review?
12:28 < gleb7> So there is room for help from both high-level and practical thinkers :)
12:29 < gleb7> laanwj: it's not even the core repo currently... although I could move it to core?
12:29 < laanwj> that doesn't matter for the project board, at least
12:29 < gleb7> ah, yeah, then probably add the first link? That might get some attention
12:29 < michaelfolkson> Get it in there
12:29 < laanwj> done
12:30 < gleb7> Thank you.
12:30 < gleb7> I'm done with my topic.
12:30 < sipa> nice seeing progress
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12:30 < michaelfolkson> You want to follow up in next week's meeting or in two weeks gleb7?
12:30 < laanwj> i'll try to help testing too
12:31 < michaelfolkson> For people who have read it, looked at it
12:31 < gleb7> michaelfolkson: sure, but at this point it's more about people getting involved :)
12:31 < gleb7> Like, my part for now is kind of done. Once more of us join, we make next steps.
12:31 < jonatack> thanks gleb7, i was wondering what the status was, will have a look
12:32 < laanwj> any other topics for today?
12:33 < michaelfolkson> I'm assuming if you run this Erlay node that it functions as a normal mainnet node other than when it connects to other Erlay nodes?
12:33 < gleb7> Sorry, I don't understand the question.
12:33 < gleb7> ah, yes, correct.
12:33 < gleb7> At least it should be :) 
12:34 < michaelfolkson> Cool
12:35 < laanwj> #endmeeting
12:35 < core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
12:35 < core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Aug 19 19:35:06 2021 UTC.  
12:35 < core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-08-19-19.00.moin.txt
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12:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/92f3a4b4d053...999f8b24cca3
12:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9321086 Jon Atack: test: add assert_getpeerinfo method and coverage in p2p_addrfetch.py
12:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f8d8eb5 Jon Atack: test: add addr-fetch timeout connection coverage in p2p_addrfetch.py
12:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 999f8b2 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22568: test: add addr-fetch peer connection state an...
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18:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 470c6aa Suriyaa Rocky Sundararuban: doc: Update GitHub documentation links
18:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5b6104e fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22746: doc: Update GitHub documentation links
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23:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof opened pull request #22751: wallet/rpc: add analyzerawtransaction RPC (master...202108-analyzerawtransaction) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22751
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23:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5b6104edf0d3...0263583ad9ac
23:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 040e4de Hennadii Stepanov: scripted-diff: Rename template to avoid CI configuration parsing warning
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23:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0263583 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22750: ci: Followups for #22710
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23:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22750: ci: Followups for #22710 (master...210819-yaml) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22750
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23:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0263583ad9ac...602c8eb8f0fb
23:33 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 181a120 John Newbery: [addrman] Move peers.dat parsing to init.cpp
23:33 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e8e7392 John Newbery: [addrman] Don't call Clear() if parsing peers.dat fails
23:33 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ed9ba8a John Newbery: [tests] Remove CAddrMan.Clear() call from CAddrDB::Read()
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23:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #22697: addrman: Remove CAddrMan::Clear() function (master...2021-08-remove-addrman-clear) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22697
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