--- Log opened Tue Sep 14 00:00:07 2021
00:07 < laanwj> a single clearsigned-file solution prohibited merging multiple independent signatures into one file, because it forces everyone to use the same signature algorithm (which is specified at the top, e.g. Hash: SHA512), whereas in this case they can simply be cat'ed
00:08 < laanwj> also detached signatures have some advantages with regard to security: everyone signs *the entire file*, there's no "outside the boundaries of the ======== area" where arbitrary information can be added
00:09 < laanwj> so yes, the change is intentional
00:12 < laanwj> we've combined all kinds of changes in the process in one go (with the gitian->guix build switch) to avoid repeated disruption
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00:17 < laanwj> of course, updating the documentation and verification instructions is still important, but it should be a one-time thing. I did have a note on verifying the binaries in the testing instructions here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22634
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00:25 < fanquake> In regards to other in-progress releases: we should get some binaries out for 0.20.2rc3. Have got a 5 gitian builders for that tag so far.
00:26 < fanquake> For 0.21.2. I think it's a question of whether we want to add the backports in #22858 (mentioned in #22720), and do an rc3?
00:26 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22858 | [0.21] Potential rc3 backports by fanquake · Pull Request #22858 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
00:26 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22720 | v0.21.2 Testing · Issue #22720 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
00:30 < lucaferr> What is required to submit taproot/P2TR transactions on testnet? I'm probably posting invalid data but getting rejects from neigbouring nodes. Does a particular node flag need to be enabled or anything else I may be missing?
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00:39 < _aj_> lucaferr: you need neighbouring nodes that have upgraded to support taproot; "bitcoin-cli getpeerinfo | grep subver" -> look for 0.21.1 or 0.21.99 or 22.0.0 or 22.99.0
00:39 < lucaferr> _aj_: ah, ok. thank you!
00:39 < _aj_> lucaferr: alternatively, use signet instead of testnet
00:40 < laanwj> i have trouble keeping track tbh we have to many releases in process at once
00:42 < laanwj> i'll look into uploading the binaries for 0.20.2rc3 (first need to build them, i don't think i have them)
00:49 < fanquake> laanwj: thanks. Yea it just happened that we ended up with 3 in parallel
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01:12 < laanwj> fanquake: thanks for keeping track of them anyhow :)
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01:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #22944: Update build-osx.md (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22944
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02:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7ecb309c4ed1...2b264971adcf
02:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dddca38 ShubhamPalriwala: test: use MiniWallet in mempool_limit.py
02:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d447ded ShubhamPalriwala: replace: self.nodes[0] with node
02:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 08634e8 ShubhamPalriwala: fix typos in logging messages
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02:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22543: test: Use MiniWallet in mempool_limit.py (master...diswallet-mempool_limit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22543
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03:07 < meshcollider> Yeah, thank you fanquake, you're doing a great job!
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03:23 < bitcoin-git> [gui] prayank23 closed pull request #421: Remove proxy checkboxes from options (master...proxy-checkboxes) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/421
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03:37 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #418: fix bitcoin-qt app categorization on apple silicon (master...applesilicon-categorization) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/418
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03:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2b264971adcf...b5ede2aa7f08
03:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3765c48 Jarol Rodriguez: qt: fix bitcoin-qt app categorization on apple silicon
03:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b5ede2a Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#418: fix bitcoin-qt app categorization on apple sil...
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03:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #22970: doc: Update snap release process for new versioning scheme (master...2109-docSnapRel) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22970
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04:22 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #22971: doc: Add historical release notes for 22.0 (master...2021-09-relnot-0.22) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22971
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04:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b5ede2aa7f08...40a9037a1b5d
04:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c88f43f W. J. van der Laan: doc: Add historical release notes for 22.0
04:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 40a9037 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22971: doc: Add historical release notes for 22.0
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04:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22971: doc: Add historical release notes for 22.0 (master...2021-09-relnot-0.22) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22971
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05:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/40a9037a1b5d...2161a058552a
05:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5cc783f Jarol Rodriguez: qt: ensure translator comments end in full stop
05:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2161a05 Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#420: Ensure translator comments end in full stop
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05:51 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #420: Ensure translator comments end in full stop (master...translator-full-stop) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/420
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06:06 < laanwj> doesn't look like v0.20.2rc3 has detached sigs yet? wasn't able to build codesigned mac+win
06:18 < fanquake> Guess we need to ping achow101 and jonasschnelli
06:19 < hebasto> achow101 already pushed signatures
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07:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #22972: test: fix misleading fee unit in mempool_limit.py (master...202109-test-fix_confusing_fee_calculation_in_mempool_limit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22972
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08:16 < lucaferr> for schnorr signatures, how does libsecp256k1 deal with the zero k' case. I see some conditional moves which I cannot make sense of in the source code. Does it mean it will make a different random value to avoid the zero case?
08:23 < sipa> lucaferr: yes, it replaces k=0 with k=1, but honestly - it doesn't actually need to
08:23 < lucaferr> you mean the statistics of it?
08:24 < sipa> at least with the BIP340 default nonce function, k=0 will +-never be reached
08:24 < lucaferr> sipa: right, cheers, makes sense
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08:56 < jonatack> laanwj: hebasto: just tried and wasn't able to to build codesigned mac+win for 0.20.2rc3 either
08:57 < hebasto> jonatack: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-detached-sigs/tree/0.20 lacks macos signature from jonasschnelli 
08:57 < jonatack> hebasto: thanks!
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08:59 < jonatack> (misread, sorry for noise)
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09:31 < kpcyrd> hi! was the `0.` intentionally dropped in 0.21.1 -> 22.0?
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09:32 < kpcyrd> (just double-checking it's not a typo) :)
09:33 < prayank> Yes
09:34 < prayank> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20223
09:40 < kpcyrd> cool thanks, uploaded it to Arch Linux
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10:42 < laanwj> great
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10:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mzumsande opened pull request #22974: addrman: Improve performance of Good (master...202109_goodspeed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22974
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11:41 < roconnor> Let me know if this is the wrong place for this question, but what's up with the new SHA256SUMS.asc which ... doesn't appear to be sha256sums?
11:41 < roconnor> Are there new verification instructions?
11:43 < hebasto> roconnor: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/issues/793
11:51 < sipa> also, see backlog here with comments by laanwj, around just under 12 hours ago
11:59 < roconnor> I see.  And if I understand the Binary Release signing key isn't amoung the signature and won't be used going forward, and I could, for example purposes only, delete it.
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12:12 < achow101> roconnor: the release key should be used for 0.20.2 and 0.21.2 since those will use the old release process
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12:24 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] div72 opened pull request #22975: scripted-diff: update license URLs to https (master...https-copyright-header) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22975
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12:31 < roconnor> achow101: oh that's what this "new major releases" wording is refering to. I get it now.
12:52 < andytoshi> if anyone here is an op on #bitcoin-wizards (i'm a little concerned that nobody is since the libera move..) there is a troll
12:52 < andytoshi> and also could i pls be put back on the op list
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13:24 < BlueMatt> are there any plans to update the download verifier script? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/verifybinaries
13:29 < sipa> i guess we should
13:29 < sipa> or remove it
13:33 < BlueMatt> with the multi-signature stuff there really needs to be a decent script to fetch the relevant pgp keys, ensure that N-of-M of them have signed, and some kind of way to verify the trust of at least some of those keys.
13:33 < BlueMatt> imo
13:33 < BlueMatt> its kinda hard to verify this release, mostly because pgp is completely and totally hosed cause all the keyservers now strip signatures :(
13:33 < BlueMatt> so I cant manage to find signatures for any of these keys :'(
13:33 < sipa> yeah
13:34 < BlueMatt> not that that's core's problem so much, but at least wkd support for the keys that sign releases with sigs in the wkd versions would be nice
13:35 < BlueMatt> so that there's *some* way to download them with sigs
13:35 < BlueMatt> or maybe just put them all in repo or on bitcoincore.org (iirc there's already keys in repo, or used to be)
13:35 < BlueMatt> so that at least you have a trust path from eg one of the signers to the rest
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13:37 < BlueMatt> eg I only have a trust path to like 2 or three of the keys that signed 22, I'd be ok with that if the script just told me "Verified with 2 of the N keys which signed the release, the two you verified are A and B"
13:37 < achow101> perhaps it would be reasonable for the previous release key to sign several guix builder keys?
13:38 < roconnor> +1 to putting some keys in some bitcoincore repo.  e.g. I tried to download achow101's key from https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-fingerprint/152812300785C96444D3334D17565732E08E5E41 and somehow the server doesn't have an associated ID with the key.
13:38 < BlueMatt> that would be nice too, but i think we need to work around the broken keyservers as step 1
13:38 < roconnor> (I don't even want to know how that is possible)
13:38 < achow101> we used to have keys in the repo, but I think we kept running into expiry problems
13:39 < BlueMatt> achow101: the nice bit of using a custom verify script is you can treat expired-key-sigs as valid :p
13:39 < BlueMatt> which iirc verify-commits does
13:39 < BlueMatt> in some form or another
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13:42 < roconnor> having the old build signing key somehow in the chain of custody of this release, e.g. what achow101 suggests, would certainly bring me some comfort in this transition.
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16:57 < fanquake> Don’t we have heaps of keys our the repo?
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17:48 < fanquake> Looks like we also need to update the download page to show the ppc64 binaries: https://twitter.com/notgrubles/status/1437937210364420101. cc harding
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17:49 < harding> fanquake: are they Linux for ppc64?  Wondering what logo to put them under.
17:57 < achow101> fanquake: just the fingerprints
17:59 < fanquake> harding: I'm not sure re logos. achow: ah true
18:04 < harding> fanquake: gonna go with just a generic tux.  Waiting for tests now, I should have a PR up for you to review in a few minutes.
18:05 < fanquake> harding: great, thanks. pre-coffee PR review 😅
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18:14 < harding> fanquake: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/800
18:15 < fanquake> harding: thanks!
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18:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #22976: scripted-diff: Rename overloaded int GetArg to GetIntArg (master...pr/intarg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22976
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19:45 < bitcoin-git> [gui] jarolrod opened pull request #423: qt: make initTranslations a member function of BitcoinApplication class (master...move-init-translations) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/423
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21:51 < prayank> #proposedmeetingtopic use database for `lockunspent`
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21:53 < dviola> hi
21:55 < dviola> are there any reasons why https://bitcoincore.org/en/download/ no longer provides gpg/verify instructions?
21:55 < dviola> or maybe I'm not looking at things right
21:56 < harding> dviola: yes, they became outdated with the release of 22.0 and nobody has had the time to update them yet.  See https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/issues/793
21:58 < dviola> ok, thanks
22:00 < dviola> I'll upgrade when I have a good way of verifying
22:00 < harding> dviola: you could follow the links in https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/issues/793#issuecomment-919371802
22:03 < dviola> fair enough, thanks
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