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00:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8daecf4d1d86...33e31f8df920
00:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aa26797 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: MiniWallet: add `send_to` method to create arbitrary txouts
00:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6fc2cd3 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: introduce helper to create random P2WPKH scriptPubKeys
00:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cfdb6ba Sebastian Falbesoner: test: use MiniWallet for p2p_filter.py
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00:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23079: test: use MiniWallet for p2p_filter.py (master...202109-test-use_MiniWallet_for_p2p_filter) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23079
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00:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vincenzopalazzo opened pull request #23127: tests: Use test utils each time that it is possible (master...tests/use_testutils) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23127
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00:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dougEfresh closed pull request #23109: net: Bypass increasing nMaxOutbound for peers with download permission (master...max_update_exclude_dl_perm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23109
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01:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dougEfresh opened pull request #23128: doc: Remove TODO 'exclude peers with download permission' (master...remove-todo-max-dl-permission) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23128
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01:37 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #23130: Revert "doc: Remove outdated comments" (master...210929-revert) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23130
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01:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/33e31f8df920...ccc4b9125ae4
01:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4832737 Jarol Rodriguez: qt: connection type translator comments
01:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ccc4b91 Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#345: Connection Type Translator Comments
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01:59 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #345: Connection Type Translator Comments (master...connection-translator-comments) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/345
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02:19 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #416: Add RPC setting (master...2021/09/rpc_setting) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/416
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02:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ccc4b9125ae4...ad47fb8b6461
02:20 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bd5c826 Sjors Provoost: gui: add RPC setting
02:20 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ad47fb8 Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#416: Add RPC setting
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02:56 < vasild> sipa: what do you think about this https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/5150#issuecomment-853888909 ?
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03:11 < Guest5751> Hey guys, on Laanwjs's blog he wrote: "In the long run, move away from a website for code distribution completely. No matter who owns it, a website on the clearnet can be shut down with the press of a button, and it seems that the global internet is gearing up to make censorship increasingly easy. We need a decentralized web. For us, one option
03:11 < Guest5751> would be IPFS, which is starting to catch on. For the binaries themselves there’s already the option of downloading through torrents." Do you know if anyone is already hosting Bitcoin's source code on IPFS?
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03:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ad47fb8b6461...ba1a82e6083f
03:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9980f4a Jarol Rodriguez: qt, refactor: simplify third-party tx url action through overload
03:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a70a980 Jarol Rodriguez: qt: improve text for open third-party tx url action
03:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8177578 Jarol Rodriguez: qt: ensure seperator when adding third-party transaction links
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03:19 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #430: Improvements to the open up transaction in third-party link action (master...3party-tx-links-cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/430
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03:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] naumenkogs closed pull request #18421: Periodically update DNS caches for better privacy of non-reachable nodes (master...2020_03_dns_cache_update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18421
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04:11 < yanmaani> Has it been discussed to standardize all the argument parsing boilerplate in the RPCs? 
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04:16 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto closed pull request #157: Refactor P2PKH filtering, via AddressBookSortFilterProxyModel (master...gui_filter_p2pkh) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/157
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04:26 < yanmaani> Guest5751, laanwj: IPFS is very bad technologically. ZeroNet is strictly superior to it in all measurable aspects.
04:26 < yanmaani> Though if you're going to run have humans running it, why not just a tor onion service?
04:27 < yanmaani> radicle is based on ethereum. There's been some experimental projects to do Git over BitTorrent, but otherwise doing Git over ZeroNet (or IPFS, sigh...) would work.
04:28 < sipa> vasild: i just read that yesterday; i think at least historically, there is a different argument too... it's not so much the concern of an actually harmful Dos, but some the worry that some webserver say would suddenly get a bunch of incoming connections from bitcoin nodes, and risk that causing negative press or so
04:31 < Guest5751> How did the experiments of Git over BitTorrent go? yanmaani
04:31 < yanmaani> If you want REAL decentralized git, just do it like the linux kernel does. still need a mailing list tho
04:32 < yanmaani> Guest5751: not terribly, but it's not very well-implemented.
04:32 < Guest5751> could you tell me what they do in very simple terms? I will research it myself! yanmaani
04:32 < Guest5751> ohh ok I see yanmaani
04:32 < yanmaani> Basically, the problem is when you update the repo
04:32 < yanmaani> because everyone needs the latest version
04:32 < yanmaani> and that's not super easy - DHT or whatever is not guaranteed, using DNS is centralized, Namecoin requires you to make a blockchain transaction for each new commit 
04:34 < yanmaani> I believe ZeroNet already has the local maximum on that.
04:35 < Guest5751> Interesting... Didn't know about many of these technologies. So would you say that Git over ZeroNet is currently the best option?
04:36 < yanmaani> depends on your goal. Git over ZeroNet isn't terribly well-researched, and obviously has downsides, but I don't think it's that difficult to set up. For censorship-resistance, git over Tor is probably better. For "decentralization" (of development), Git over mailing list is better.
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04:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ba1a82e6083f...d648bbb0a790
04:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b207971 Samuel Dobson: Fix feature_segwit failure due to witness
04:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d648bbb MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23124: Fix feature_segwit.py failure due to witness
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04:39 < Guest5751> Hmm, there is a mailing list for developers though: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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04:39 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23124: Fix feature_segwit.py failure due to witness (master...202109_fix_feature_segwit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23124
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04:39 < Guest5751> Probably different than what you mean I am guessing? yanmaani
04:41 < sipa> the bitcoin-dev mailing list is for bitcoin development in general; not for development of the bitcoin-core software implementation
04:43 < laanwj> there is a tor onion service for bitcoincore.org
04:44 < yanmaani> Guest5751: in principle no; people could submit PRs there. In practice I think it would bloat it up, though.
04:45 < laanwj> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-core-dev was originally intended as a mailing list for bitcoin core development but there was no post on it for years, no one actually wants to use a mailing list for development, at some point it was changed to a notification-only list
04:46 < yanmaani> laanwj: you could run a repo over git over tor, I mean.
04:46 < yanmaani> By "using a mailing list", I mean doing git over email, like Linux.
04:46 < laanwj> no opinion on IPFS, i think the is that the torrent with download is enough, there isn't actually a need to have the site on IPFS or such
04:47 < laanwj> i have a (read-only) git mirror for various projects on an onion service
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04:48 < yanmaani> right, you only need read-only
04:49 < yanmaani> and then writing over mailing list, or usenet, or whatever fancy solution (like FMS or something)
04:49 < laanwj> http://nxshomzlgqmwfwhcnyvbznyrybh3gotlfgis7wkv7iur2yj2rarlhiad.onion
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04:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23132: test: * -> & (master...2109-testStarToAmpersand) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23132
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04:51 < yanmaani> there you go, decentralization has been attained :)
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04:53 < laanwj> i don't think onion services can be considered decentralized-it's only hosted in one place, by one person; it's more of a workaround for people that can't access github for some reason
04:54 < yanmaani> But that's the case for any maintainer system, no? You can't have multiple maintainers very well.
04:54 < yanmaani> even IPFS or ZeroNet will have one guy with the key, in the end.
04:54 < laanwj> the project has multiple maintainers
04:54 < laanwj> i'm not even that active anymore
04:57 < yanmaani> Right, but as a technical matter, there has to be one guy at the top.
04:57 < yanmaani> for adding new maintainers, etc
04:57 < laanwj> i don't think that is necessarily true
04:58 < yanmaani> How would you do it then, like multisig?
04:59 < yanmaani> you need some notion of "X is and isn't bitcoin", right? as a purely practical matter, what with consensus
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05:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack closed pull request #20391: wallet: introduce setfeerate (an improved settxfee, in sat/vB) (master...setfeerate) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20391
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05:09 < vasild> sipa: hmm
05:10 < vasild> Is anybody running a node on a public IPv4 address that listens on port 8333 with -debug=net? If yes, I wonder how often does it receive new incoming connections, i.e. grep -E 'connection from .+ accepted' debug.log
05:11 < vasild> (-debug=net is needed to get this printout in the log)
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05:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23133:  Update crc32c subtree  (master...2109-subtreeCrc32c) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23133
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05:12 < vasild> The context is this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/5150#issuecomment-853888909
05:12 < jonatack> or if the node is already running, then: bitcoin-cli logging '["net"]'
05:13 < vasild> +1
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05:15 < vasild> If we stop preferring nodes that listen on port 8333, then a potential victim.com:80 (gossiped by a malicious actor) would get new connection attempts to their web server at that frequency
05:16 < laanwj> i don't have net debugging enabled as it's very noisy, could enable it temporarily
05:16 < vasild> My node which listens on !=8333 port is getting new incoming connections at a rate 3-4 per minute.
05:17 < sipa> vasild: interesting... mostly non-bitcoin core nodes i assume?
05:18 < jonatack> same. would love the possibility to log only the high-level, lower-frequency events like disconnections without the low-level, high-frequency messages.
05:18 < vasild> sipa: no idea, I just see "connection from 192.3.11.20:42940 accepted" in the log (for example)
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05:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] brunoerg opened pull request #23135: test: Use asset_equal utils where possible in feature_nulldummy (master...2021-09-assert_equal) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23135
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05:20 < vasild> I just enabled debug=net again to get recent data (thanks, jonatack for bitcoin-cli logging '["net"]', I wasn't aware of it (shame!))
05:21 < jonatack> (yw, more info at https://github.com/jonatack/bitcoin-development/blob/master/logging.md#log-categories :)
05:23 < laanwj> jonatack: +1
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05:29 < vasild> sipa: at least two nodes with UA /bitnodes.io:0.2/ keep connecting to me every few seconds (repeated connect+disconnect), doh
05:30 < vasild> I will prepare some summary
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06:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d648bbb0a790...829c441af2f0
06:21 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2ba4ddf William Casarin: bloom: use Span instead of std::vector for `insert` and `contains`
06:21 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f1ed1d3 fanquake: bloom: use constexpr where appropriate
06:21 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a11da75 fanquake: bloom: cleanup includes
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06:41 < vasild> So, for 1h, my public_ipv4:non8333port node received 314 incoming connections. That is about 5 per minute.
06:41 < vasild> But that is not very interesting. The interesting is if port is 8333.
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07:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #23136: test: update fee rate assertion helper in the functional test framework (master...update-assert_fee_amount) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23136
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07:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/829c441af2f0...8d83f9c1d19d
07:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 10c6929 Samuel Dobson: Include vout when copying transaction ID from coin selection
07:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8d83f9c Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#436: Include vout when copying transaction ID from ...
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08:03 < laanwj> eh, we're not very consistent with apt install/apt-get install usage in build-unix.md
08:06 < laanwj> vasild: i'm not sure it is a very good experiment; i could definitely measure how many connections my, fairly busy, public ipv4 node gets, but that won't be indicative for a randomly spammed port 80 address, because no one will ever succesfully connect to it it wil lfall out of peers databases soon? 
08:06 < laanwj> or not even really be propagated that much
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08:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #23115: bloom: use Span instead of std::vector for `insert` and `contains` (master...18985_rebased) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23115
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08:23 < hebasto> laanwj: for humans `apt install` seems preferable 
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08:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23137: Move-only: bloom to src/common (master...2109-srcCommon) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23137
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08:35 < laanwj> hebasto: i have no opinion either way, i think the outcome of the last discussion was to stick with 'apt-get', but apparently it's become a mix now
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09:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aaaa37a MarcoFalke: fuzz: Fix memory leak in system fuzz target
09:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 419afa9 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23064: fuzz: Fix memory leak in system fuzz target
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09:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #23064: fuzz: Fix memory leak in system fuzz target (master...2109-fuzzMemLeakSys) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23064
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09:30 < jnewbery> vasild: I'd be very interested in seeing those stats as well. Your argument in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/5150#issuecomment-853888909 that this isn't really a ddos vector seems reasonable to me and I'd like to see the data.
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09:36 < jeremyrubin> review bump #21464
09:36 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21464 | Mempool Update Cut-Through Optimization by JeremyRubin · Pull Request #21464 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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10:58 < andytoshi> achow101: in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/test/functional/rpc_psbt.py#L279 (which was added in commit 43 of https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16528 which i think was supposed to be basically a non-semantically-changing refactor of the test)
10:59 < andytoshi> you are calling `walletcreatefundedpsbt` with a `changeAddress` that is not owned by the wallet that is calling the RPC
10:59 < andytoshi> was this on purpose? 
10:59 < achow101> yes
11:00 < achow101> the multisig wallet doesn't have any change addresses
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11:19 < andytoshi> kk thanks
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11:31 < hebasto> is bitcoin-git bot alive?
11:32 < laanwj> let me see
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11:36 < laanwj> yes, no errors in the log at least, any specific reason you ask?
11:37 < hebasto> laanwj: oh sorry, I messed an issue with a pr
11:40 < laanwj> np
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16:36 < meshcollider> I've hit the error `AssertionError: Fee of 0.00000255 BTC too low! (Should be 0.00000256 BTC)` in CI multiple times in the last few days due to the functional tests using round() rather than truncating. #22949 would fix it, but is it worth opening a PR to fix the test in the meantime?
16:36 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22949 | fee: Round up fee calculation to avoid a lower than expected feerate by achow101 · Pull Request #22949 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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17:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider opened pull request #23141: Fix intermitent failure in wallet_basic.py (master...202109_fix_test_rounding) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23141
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17:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/419afa93419e...69a66dcd0dac
17:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2b90eae fanquake: doc: update developer docs for subtree renaming
17:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 69a66dc fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23126: doc: update developer docs for subtree renami...
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17:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #23126: doc: update developer docs for subtree renaming (master...document_subtree_renaming) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23126
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18:00 < jawed> BIP meeting is happening nowish?
18:04 < michaelfolkson> jawed: Happened on #bitcoin-dev channel. I'll send a summary and a conversation log to the mailing list
18:04 < jawed> michaelfolkson thanks look like I had the wrong time
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19:41 < jarolrod> fanquake: please delete these comments https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/437#issuecomment-930703150
19:41 < jarolrod> maybe also ban that user
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