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04:31 < MarcoFalke> jeremyrubin: I agree with you that "we should remove almost everything that isn't required to keep a node operating". I think the issue is that users are already relying on some modules (like the gui, or wallet), so removing is likely not an option.
04:31 < MarcoFalke> Though, I think we can improve modularization and make modules optional to compile.
04:32 < MarcoFalke> So it would even be possible to "remove" the mempool, for example. See e.g. #22850 
04:32 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22850 | net: Make m_mempool optional in PeerManager by sriramdvt · Pull Request #22850 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
04:40 < MarcoFalke> In the same way the rest interface could be "removed" (and just any other module that isn't needed for a full node)
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05:25 < laanwj> instead of removing everything that isn't required i like the libbitcoinkernel direction more, isolate the consensus code, it allows you to use that within anything else if you don't agree with what bitcoin core offers
05:26 < laanwj> the same discussions about what has to be removed just don't help, no one is going to agree on that
05:29 < laanwj> jamesob: yes, i tried both, unfortunately 100% of the tries failed
05:36 < jonatack> laanwj: (a) agree (b) the comments in both pulls don't seem hostile, maybe they just needed more responsive/timely review iiuc
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05:40 < laanwj> jonatack: i don't think i stopped because of hostility, it did feel like lack of interest, but maybe i was reading too much into it (i mean, development goes slow here)... i don't really blame anyone, to be clera
05:50 < laanwj> i would like to pick it up again (there does seem to be interest, it's one of the more talked about closed feature PRs), but my brain doesn't cooperate at the moment
05:55 < jonatack> can relate
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07:37 < jamesob> laanwj: definitely think it's worth taking a shot at resurrecting them both, but of course that isn't an ask of you
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08:33 < michaelfolkson> Is anyone deliberately using multiprocess for development yet (other than testing/reviewing multiprocess itself)? I'm assuming you could save on build/compile time by not having to recompile wallet, GUI for many PRs
08:34 < sipa> You can build without wallet/gui if you don't want to.
08:34 < sipa> With or without multiprocess.
08:35 < jeremyrubin> Marcofalke: in my view we want 3 projects to happen: 1 Bitcoin kernel to make consensus boundaries clear, 2 multiprocess to separate out things that don't need to share memory (most important imo would be having the network threads only able to message pass safely to core) and then 3 minimal node where bits of functionality in core are replaced
08:35 < jeremyrubin> with projects that only access things in core by API. 
08:35 < jeremyrubin> I think all 3 have big benefits and are not an either or issue. They synergize. 
08:37 < michaelfolkson> sipa: Right before multiprocess you'd switch between building with and without wallet. But with multiprocess you could just leave the wallet process running 100 percent of the time and forget about it (unless the PR was wallet related)?
08:38 < sipa> The separation in binaries is orthogonal to source code organization. Most core code changes will result in needing to recompile the wallet code - whether that ends up in a different binary or not.
08:39 < michaelfolkson> Ok, understood. So there isn't an obvious developer workflow use case for multiprocess? Of course there are obvious "user" use cases
08:40 < sipa> The point of multiprocess is splitting things into multiple processes at runtime. That's it.
08:40 < michaelfolkson> Ok thanks
08:41 < sipa> The build process already only rebuilds things touched by modified code. If you don't change anything that affects the wallet, the wallet code already won't be recompiled.
08:41 < sipa> E.g. if you just change validation.cpp, the wallet code will not be recompiled.
08:42 < sipa> But many changes happen in headers that are included by wallet code, so those will result in recompilation. Again, independent of multiprocess.
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14:02 < jamesob> Did we make a change recently that might affect whether a node considers itself to be in IBD? I'm running an assumeutxo test that has one local peer download headers from another at a low height using the `-maxtipage=9999... -minimumchainwork=0x00` hack, but the second node is now refusing to get headers from the first node because the first thinks
14:02 < jamesob> it's still in IBD despite passing those flags
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14:14 < _aj_> jamesob: it won't exit IBD unless it sees a block that's <24h old?
14:16 < _aj_> or is maxtipage what's new?
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14:21 < _aj_> jamesob: hmm, i didn't know -maxtipage was a thing; cool. did you give those params to the first node as well as the second? otherwise seems like it should work to me
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16:32 < jamesob> _aj_: yup, those flags are applied to both nodes
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