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06:56 < stickies-v> rest: we use libevent, which for my PR requires me to import the TAILQ_FOREACH macro from <sys/queue.h>. This seems fine, except for the Win64 [unit tests, ...] test, which does not seem to have this header: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24012/checks?check_run_id=4753584875. Is this an issue with CI, or should I avoid using <sys/queue.h>, even though it's fine on the other tests?
06:59 < sipa> That's a nonstandard header. You can't assume it exists on anything but Linux/BSD.
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07:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vincenzopalazzo opened pull request #24016: [WIP] utils: introduce a runtime error in case of overflow in GetArgInt (master...vincenzopalazzo/cmd_atoi) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24016
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07:12 < stickies-v> But in the same file httpserver.cpp we also include <sys/stat.h> and <sys/types.h>, which I think are also nonstandard? These headers are specified in AC_CHECK_HEADERS in configure.ac though, should I do something similar for <sys/queue.h>? Sorry, I'm a bit out of my depth here and it's hard to debug with the remote CI and quite long running process.
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07:22 < sipa> Those are defined by POSIX.
07:23 < sipa> This TAILQ_FOREACH seems super simpler. You don't need the macro to walk the result.
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07:29 < stickies-v> Ah, thanks. I was looking at https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/header which didn't have any <sys> headers. And thanks for the pointer, I'll have a look at not using the TAILQ macros.
07:34 < stickies-v> oh shit you're right, that actually was super simple. TIL. thx!
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07:46 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #441: Add Create Unsigned button to SendConfirmationDialog (master...create-unsigned-sendconfdialog) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/441
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07:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6182e5086fc8...2e01b6986099
07:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5c3b800 Andrew Chow: qt: Add Create Unsigned button to SendConfirmationDialog
07:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 742918c Andrew Chow: qt: hide Create Unsigned button behind an expert mode option
07:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2e01b69 Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#441: Add Create Unsigned button to SendConfirmation...
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08:05 < prayank> sipa: why would someone need 2 years for using non-default ports if #23542 is merged?
08:06 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23542 | net: open p2p connections to nodes that listen on non-default ports by vasild · Pull Request #23542 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
08:06 < sipa> @prayank Seems like a reasonable amount of time for review + merging + doing a release + people widely updating to use that release.
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08:07 < sipa> And certainly people don't need to wait to use non-default ports after there is some adoption of node software that permits non-default ports.
08:07 < sipa> But that's not the same as including it as a suggestion in that document. I think that should only be done when it's so widely adopted there aren't any connectivity downsides to it anymore.
08:07 < prayank> some people already use it 
08:08 < sipa> Yes, but using it right now comes with a huge downside; almost no nodes will connect to you.
08:08 < sipa> I don't think it should be a recommendation until that downside disappears.
08:09 < prayank> Makes sense. Okay I can remove it.
08:09 < prayank>  I was also thinking to approach NACK the non-default ports PR because my suggestions were not implemented and nobody on Github moderated for me :)
08:10 < sipa> What are your suggestions?
08:10 < sipa> And do you think the non-default ports are not an improvement without them?
08:10 < sipa> What do you mean by moderated?
08:17 < prayank> sipa: 1. to add more ports or have clear definition what we consider as bad port 2. they are still an improvement and vasild has done lot of contributions to improve privacy and security 3. I suggested a topic for meeting which could have been done by anyone. I was asked to draft a doc with some things that make would clear the concept. One user that has done only 2 reviews in this repo: both for my PR suddenly calls everything
08:17 < prayank>  non-sense. Irony same user wants to to remove/restrict rpcbind which nobody has objection with. Sorry neither I need to make changes based on that user's comments nor I prefer language "non sense" "you don't listen". I am not a working for managers in a company but trying to contribute to an open source project used by 90% bitcoin nodes.
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08:20 < sipa> You don't need to make changes just based on that user's opinion alone, but in some cases, they are right, and others have commented too. That may be a sign you're incorrect about things too.
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08:21 < prayank> to add more to moderation: I can add lot of things but not interested to ruin my whole weekend which already is only a few hours I get for myself in a week. Nobody is dumb and people should try to use the same policy for all pull requests.
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08:21 < sipa> I don't think wpeckr's tone is particularly helpful in that PR, by the way.
08:21 < prayank> sipa: there is nothing incorrect in saying *notify options trigger scripts based on some events and people should be careful or use restrictions/alerts.
08:22 < prayank> I am sure most of the devs here use firewall and rules
08:22 < sipa> I agree. But I do think it is misleading/
08:22 < prayank> sipa: yes
08:24 < sipa> And I think the point shouldn't be "Beware of -notify* options" as if they are somehow a particular security risk. I think the point should be "Be careful about accepting configuration changes and commands from third parties. Here is a non-exhaustive list of things that may go wrong: ...". The -notify* commands could be mentioned in such a list, but I wouldn't even consider the most important one.
08:26 < prayank> I would rephrase it based on this in next update. Will need few hours.
08:26 < sipa> There is also no rush in this, take your time.
08:27 < prayank> Thanks
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10:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fjahr opened pull request #24017: Bump Python dependency version (master...2022-01-python36) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24017
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10:17 < hebasto> chocolatey seems fails to download python 3.9.6; this causes failures of native Windows CI builds
10:18 < hebasto> looks like a temporary issue
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10:33 < fjahr> yepp, I just saw it as well
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11:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] erenalyoruk opened pull request #24019: doc: format markdown files (master...markdown_lint) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24019
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12:38 < prayank> is:pr involves:wpeckr 
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12:38 < prayank> finally wpeckr trying to review PRs in which I am not author
12:39 < prayank> must be difficult, looking at the edits made in the comment - 4
12:39 < prayank> and not mentioned "non sense"
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13:14 < prayank> I have the time to work on this doc. Will make changes. Its 2 AM here but I am free and access my desktop.
13:14 < prayank> Few PRs that need attention because of privacy or security I could think of right now and one of them is in draft mode right now:
13:15 < prayank> #21061
13:15 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21061 | [p2p] Introduce node rebroadcast module by amitiuttarwar · Pull Request #21061 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
13:15 < prayank> #15936
13:15 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15936 | Unify bitcoin-qt and bitcoind persistent settings by ryanofsky · Pull Request #15936 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
13:15 < prayank> #18554
13:15 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18554 | wallet: ensure wallet files are not reused across chains by rodentrabies · Pull Request #18554 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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14:46 < luke-jr> some guy on Twitter says he can't get a working full node in China because the firewall blocks everything - surely there's some nodes within China? should we be prioritising Chinese IPs in DNS seeds when the DNS request comes from China? (Would that even work?)
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15:14 < prayank> luke-jr: he should move to India, we use everything from china, pretend to fight over one border but can't do shit, cheaper life, kashmir china++ where you can't use internet and even need permission to live life from a person in uniform HOWEVER you can move to other parts live a life, have contacts, be a politician and businessman, people won't care if he looks chinese but says something dumb in hindi, makes money and shares i
15:14 < prayank> t others that allow him to do everything
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15:18 < luke-jr> I'm not sure that's a viable solution for people living in China :P
15:22 < prayank> luke-jr: that was sarcasm, I feel bad for them and even one of my friend in merchant nacy was stuck there in covid times who was not even on land but had lot of issues. IDK they are humans and would realize at some point this does not work. Although its become bigger with time and they do attack on other countries like shitposting in IRC. They dont care. Because they are good at it compated to some people. Example: DRDO was ata
15:22 < prayank> cked in India by China indirecly few years back and they finally moved to their own linux distro from Windows
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15:25 < prayank> viable solution: cannot suggest one without being in that situation but tor bridges should help but you hate tor
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15:32 < luke-jr> I don't hate tor :P
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15:40 < prayank> I mean you consider it centralized. And always comment this when someone says it about privacy so I assumed. You also think DNS seeds should not be trusted and there can be other ways to bootstrap but did not suggest anything in the related docs PR. Would be helpful if I could more suggestions from you to improve those docs. I respect you and your knowledge in security. One of the maintainers didnt like your medium article so s
15:40 < prayank> hared CVE link.
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15:51 < luke-jr> prayank: it's a fact that tor is centralised, and a security risk if it is your only path to the Bitcoin network.
15:55 < fanquake> prayank: I commented "and I'd rather not have us linking to personal medium accounts." Who's account it is, is irrelevant. What I don't want, is us having no-context links to outside resources, when suggestions / information could just be in-lined in our own documentation.
15:55 < fanquake> In regards to the actual issue, the medium post suggests upgrading to an alternative client, which has an experimental fix, for a problem that bitcoin core didn't even post an advisory for (you can see why in the IRC logs). I think that would be confusing to link to, rather than just linking to our own documentation in json-rpc-interface.md, which was added in response to the same problem.
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16:02 < prayank> fanquake: personally I consider personal lot of times medium accouunts and some stackexchange answers can be be of same level. and some answers even have those links. so there is nothing special with stackexchange. btw i am in top 5 based on 5 my answers in last year on bitcoin stackexchange..
16:02 < prayank> I agree links could be avoided. However I felt people should have a choice to click and read something related but not edited.
16:03 < prayank> > medium post suggests upgrading to an  alternative client, which has an experimental fix, for a problem that  bitcoin core didn't even post an advisory for (you can see why in the  IRC logs). I think that would be confusing to link to, rather than just  linking to our own documentation in json-rpc-interface.md, which was  added in response to the same problem
16:04 < prayank> if there is a better client people should use it
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16:07 < prayank> I would have to read json-rpc-interface.md again which even I had changed once
16:09 < prayank> people have lot of issues with it but nobody has the courage to open a pr that gets closed/nacked/something-else
16:10 < sipa> Let's stay constructive please.
16:10 < sipa> We all want the project to be the best it can be.
16:10 < sipa> Topics like these are inevitably going to lead to constroversies. That doesn't mean we can't improve things
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16:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ariard closed pull request #19645: Allow updating mempool-txn with cheaper witnesses (master...2020-08-wtxid-replacement) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19645
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16:56 < luke-jr> fanquake: it lists Knots as one of several options to mitigate the vulnerability; this should only be a problem if you have a problem with any website acknowledging Knots even exists, which is absurd
16:58 < luke-jr> (the language is even biased *against* that option, recommending the other options over it)
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19:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2e01b6986099...542e405a8517
19:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e158a2a 0xb10c: build: add systemtap's sys/sdt.h as depends
19:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6200fbf 0xb10c: build: rename --enable-ebpf to --enable-usdt
19:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 542e405 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23724: build: add systemtap's sys/sdt.h as depends f...
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19:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #23724: build: add systemtap's sys/sdt.h as depends for GUIX builds with USDT tracepoints (master...2021-12-usdt-depends) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23724
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21:25 < meshcollider> Has anyone (publicly) done any musig-type multisig experiment on taproot yet?
21:28 < meshcollider> I guess it's a bit off topic here actually, I'll ask in wizards
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