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00:17 < hebasto> MarcoFalke: does #24366 look like a "good first issue"?
00:17 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24366 | Transifex translators feedback · Issue #24366 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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00:51 < laanwj> will/should #23542 still make it into 23.0?
00:51 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23542 | net: open p2p connections to nodes that listen on non-default ports by vasild · Pull Request #23542 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
00:53 < laanwj> hebasto: maybe, i'm not sure, "change a message" is not really the kind of commit we tend to appreciate from new contributors (especially as they tend to lack the knowledge of the code to make sure it's correct)
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00:58 < hebasto> laanwj: you're right
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01:33 < jonatack> laanwj: wrt 23542, potential privacy gain but if many DNS seeds take advantage of it before the seeder and bitcoin core code reading them are updated... be good to have those updated before this release (or the next one)
01:33 < jonatack> (i.e. at the same time)
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02:09 < prayank> laanwj: it looks ready for merge with multiple ACKs
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02:14 < jonatack> hm, upgrading the seeder doesn't seem trivial (and it also doesn't do torv3), and we have alternatives
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02:21 < hebasto> jonatack: thanks for quick response wrt transifex feedback -- I've resolved both transifex issues
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02:34 < jonatack> hebasto: i'm looking at fixing 24366 too
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02:43 < jonatack> and given current events, the potentially improved privacy and network robustness of 23542 probably outweighs the dns seeds issue, so +1 on having it in 23.0
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02:50 < willcl_ark> It seems unlikely that, on updating to 23.0, many users will suddenly decide to change their listening port from the default, and so there should be time to upgrade the DNS seeding mechanism (or switch to something else). However having this PR merged does mean that there would be a client available that could quickly respond to an ISP-level blocking of port 8333, should something like that occur, which seems advantageous IMO.
02:51 < hebasto> jonatack: ty
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02:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/03c8c6937ee0...97611921bed8
02:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7f2f35f Hennadii Stepanov: build: Fix gcc-cross-x86_64-w64-mingw32-10.3.0 in Guix
02:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b3617a9 Hennadii Stepanov: build: Point Guix to recent commit on the master branch
02:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9761192 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24348: build: Fix Guix build for Windows (attempt 2)...
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02:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24348: build: Fix Guix build for Windows (attempt 2) (master...220215-guix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24348
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02:52 < hebasto> it seems the time to rebase all build system prs :)
02:53 < fanquake> not just build system. anything that needs to be guix built
02:54 < fanquake> which at this point is most of the things here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/52
02:54 < hebasto> it will take some time :)
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03:02 < prayank> willcl_ark: +1
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03:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/97611921bed8...df0825046acc
03:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d4999d4 Hennadii Stepanov: util: Revert back MoveFileExW call for MinGW-w64
03:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dc01cbc Hennadii Stepanov: test: Add fs_tests/rename unit test
03:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master df08250 laanwj: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24331: util: Revert back `MoveFileExW` call for MinG...
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03:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #24331: util: Revert back `MoveFileExW` call for MinGW-w64 (master...220213-rename) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24331
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04:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #24367: User-facing content fixups from transifex translator feedback (master...fixes-based-on-transifex-translator-feedback) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24367
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05:02 < hebasto> as we have not yet updated translations due to reaching "translation string freeze" point, could we consider #24367 for 23.0 assuming finishing reviewing in a couple of days?
05:02 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24367 | User-facing content and codebase doc fixups from transifex translator feedback by jonatack · Pull Request #24367 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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05:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/df0825046acc...922c49a13895
05:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 80e1c55 William Casarin: block_connected: don't serialize block hash twice
05:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master eb8b22d William Casarin: block_connected: re-use previous GetTimeMicros
05:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 922c49a laanwj: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23819: ConnectBlock: don't serialize block hash twic...
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05:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #23819: ConnectBlock: don't serialize block hash twice (master...faster_block_connected_usdt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23819
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05:41 < laanwj> i'm starting to feel this syscall-based sandbox is unmaintainable, just too much micro-management
05:41 < laanwj> hebasto: sure...
05:42 < hebasto> laanwj: thanks!
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05:45 < laanwj> had a functional test fail on ubuntu 22.04 without any idea why, turns out it's a mysterious crash that happens only with -sandbox=log-and-abort, which is the default
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06:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #24369: util: Add missing rseq to syscall sandbox (master...2022-02-rseq) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24369
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06:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #24370: doc: mention quality filter in getnodeaddresses and -addrinfo helps (master...mention-quality-filter-in-getnodeaddresses-and-addrinfo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24370
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06:35 < vasild> laanwj: I think it will be long time before #23542 makes an impact (widespread non-8333 listening ports), if ever. So, from this point of view, it is ok wrt the DNS seeds limitation and it is ok to have it in 23.0. OTOH, I do not think that it is urgent.
06:35 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23542 | net: open p2p connections to nodes that listen on non-default ports by vasild · Pull Request #23542 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:35 < sipa> I agree. I don't expect that dns seeds will be a concern for a long time.
06:35 < vasild> IMO it is fine either way (include or not include it in 23.0)
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06:36 < vasild> or at least I don't have a strong opinion
06:36 < sipa> This change is mostly getting nodes on the network to be even able to connect out to non-standard ports. When and how to actually start encouraging people running on non-standard ports (or even getting rid of the default port concept entirely) is a much longer term thing.
06:37 < vasild> right!
06:37 < lightlike> I agree. As long as we don't start a campaign "everybody move away from the standard port, quickly" it should be fine.
06:38 < vasild> exactly
06:38 < sipa> Also note that DNS seeds aren't a means for getting good nodes on the network in terms of features - they're about finding an initial set of nodes to bootstrap from. Those nodes do get sent GETADDR messages, which get ADDR/ADDRV2 responses, and can convey non-default ports.
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07:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] klementtan opened pull request #24371: util: Fix `ReadBinaryFile` beyond maxsize (master...fix-readwritefile) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24371
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07:57 < laanwj> vasild, sipa: thanks
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08:00 < Murch> laanwj, luke-jr: What do you think about "send_all" instead of "sweepwallet" for the new RPC I'm proposing?
08:00 < sipa> We don't usually have underscores in RPC names, but "sendall" was my suggestion.
08:00 < Murch> okay, what ^ says
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08:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/922c49a13895...003523d239aa
08:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1f46b6e laanwj: util: Work around libstdc++ create_directories issue
08:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ddb75c2 Hennadii Stepanov: test: Add fs_tests/create_directories unit test
08:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b223c3c laanwj: test: Add functional test for symlinked blocks directory
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08:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24338: util: Work around libstdc++ create_directories issue (master...2022-02-create-directories) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24338
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08:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #24372: bench: Avoid deprecated use of volatile += (master...2202-20) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24372
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08:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/003523d239aa...edc0d327f1a0
08:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fae3f17 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Split script formatting from script fuzz target
08:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master edc0d32 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24349: fuzz: Split script formatting from script fuz...
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08:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24349: fuzz: Split script formatting from script fuzz target (master...2202-fuzzFaster) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24349
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09:13 < laanwj> sendall sgtm 
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09:30 < luke-jr> Murch: sendall sounds fine to me
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10:56 < Murch> Thanks
11:00 < laanwj> #startmeeting
11:00 < core-meetingbot`> Meeting started Thu Feb 17 19:00:11 2022 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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11:00 < sipa> hi
11:00 < hebasto> hi
11:00 < achow101> hi
11:00 < laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball
11:00 < laanwj> morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
11:00 < fjahr> hi
11:00 < jonatack> hi
11:00 < Murch> hi
11:00 < cfields> hi
11:00 < laanwj> welcome to the weekly general bitcoin-core meeting, there have been no proposed topics for this week, any last minute ones?
11:01 < b10c> hi
11:01 < lightlike> hi
11:01 < MarcoFalke> ahoi
11:02 < warren> hi
11:02 < jonatack> Murch: sendall is shorter, too!
11:03 < laanwj> #topic 23.0 milestone
11:03 < core-meetingbot`> topic: 23.0 milestone
11:03 < laanwj> we've passed the 23.0 feature freeze and strings freeze, and are now in the last bit before the branch-off
11:04 < larryruane> hi
11:04 < laanwj> from now to the branch we'll merge only bugfixes, so going over high priority for review doesn't make sense at the moment
11:05 < laanwj> what we could do is look at the milestone of course https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/52
11:05 < laanwj> let me know if anything should be added, or is unlikely to make 23.0 and should be removed
11:05 < hebasto> do we have any progress in #15774 ?
11:05 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15774 | macOS App Notarization · Issue #15774 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:05 < achow101> Can #24365 be added? It is a bug fix for a crashing issue
11:05 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24365 | wallet: Dont generate keys for wallets with private keys disabled during upgradewallet by achow101 · Pull Request #24365 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:06 < laanwj> achow101: it's already added
11:06 < MarcoFalke> added
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11:07 < laanwj> hebasto: i don't know
11:08 < jonatack>  have a couple of doc improvements that might be nice ( they may not need to be tagged if doc improvements can be merged anytime)
11:08 < laanwj> hebasto: it was brought up last week though, fairly sure fanquake is working on it
11:09 < hebasto> laanwj: ok
11:09 < laanwj> jonatack: yeah, i think we can just merge those when they're ready
11:09 < fanquake> yes, have been looking at that
11:10 < hebasto> fanquake: is there a chance for 23.0 to be notarized?
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11:11 < achow101> I think notarization will also require some changes to signapple so it may take some time for me to work that out too
11:11 < fanquake> yes I think we should be able to work it out for 23.0
11:12 < laanwj> great
11:12 < luke-jr> I thought we were intentionally not notarising?
11:12 < laanwj> let's leave that on the milestone then
11:12 < hebasto> luke-jr: could you remind reasons for that?
11:13 < luke-jr> hebasto: IIRC it pinged Apple every time a user launches it?
11:14 < hebasto> yeap, it does, at least once
11:14 < laanwj> as i understand it it does that for every binary that is launched the first time
11:14 < luke-jr> so my understanding was that we intentionally didn't want that, for user privacy
11:15 < laanwj> see e.g. the link in that issue https://sigpipe.macromates.com/2020/macos-catalina-slow-by-design/
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11:16 < luke-jr> laanwj: but notarisation IIRC did extra pinging stuff?
11:16 < hebasto> can we be sure that it does not ping Apple for non-notarized app?
11:16 < luke-jr> idk, don't really follow macOS stuff closely - but if this is going to change, probably someone should look into it
11:16 < sipa> Based on https://sigpipe.macromates.com/2020/macos-catalina-slow-by-design/ I'd think it runs for every program, notarized or not.
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11:17 < sipa> If it's even the case for shell scripts you write yourself.
11:17 < laanwj> i think attaching the notarization to the application can save a ping, not sure though
11:17 < hebasto> whatever we find out we cannot rely on it, as apple can change things anytime
11:17 < laanwj> that's for sure
11:17 < luke-jr> hebasto: sure, but we can refuse to actively participate in privacy-violating stuff
11:17 < laanwj> always fun what new hoops they come up for software developers
11:18 < fanquake> at some point it’s either we fulfil the requirements or stop supporting macOS
11:18 < fanquake> users are reporting their bitcoin core apps just flat out disappearing
11:18 < luke-jr> fanquake: sure, but it's a different scenario if we're forced to do it, vs voluntarily enabling it
11:18 < luke-jr> :|
11:18 < MarcoFalke> I think you can already assume your privacy compromised by apple if you are using apple products
11:19 < warren> their data remains intact though right?
11:19 < hebasto> for now we have multiple claims that macos removes Bitcoin Core; assuming it could be related to lack of notarization
11:19 < laanwj> if they really ping their server for every binary that is launched for the first time i think that's right
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11:20 < luke-jr> might be nice to investigate a disappeared-Bitcoin system and see if the logs say why
11:20 < luke-jr> idk how practical that is
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11:21 < luke-jr> might also be Apple just trying to force everything to go through their App Store :/
11:22 < laanwj> any other topics?
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11:24 < laanwj> #endmeeting
11:24 < core-meetingbot`> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
11:24 < core-meetingbot`> Meeting ended Thu Feb 17 19:24:32 2022 UTC.  
11:24 < core-meetingbot`> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2022/bitcoin-core-dev.2022-02-17-19.00.moin.txt
11:25 < b10c> thanks laanwj!
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11:27 < Murch> <jonatack> "Murch: sendall is shorter, too!" <- Yep. And I think it might be more obvious what to expect from the RPC before reading the help under the monicker "sendall" than under "sweepwallet"
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13:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #24374: contrib: refactor: simplify linearize scripts (master...202202-contrib-simplify_linearize_script) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24374
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14:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/edc0d327f1a0...3a618c1e3b79
14:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8e9699c Bitcoin Hodler: Update doc to match new default wallet type
14:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3a618c1 Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24281: docs: Update to match new default wallet type...
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14:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #24281: docs: Update to match new default wallet type (master...doc-fix-default-wallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24281
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16:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #24375: Do not use `LocalTestingSetup` in getarg_tests test file. (master...pr/fixt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24375
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17:27 < jeremyrubin> i think this is bitcoin-core specific, but are there any well maintained bitcoin core RPC libraries for javascript/typescript?
17:27 < jeremyrubin> Everything I can find is... pretty outdated
17:27 < jeremyrubin> (side thought: maybe we should make these bindings a part of core repo itself and not allow updating core w/o ensuring bindings are up to date)
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19:24 < dongcarl> Does anyone know why this compiles? https://github.com/dongcarl/bitcoin/commit/6d3d2caa3751f968f72d19fa84f001472fb26749
19:24 < dongcarl> GetUTXOStatsWithHasher and MakeUTXOHasher are both in the `kernel::` namespace and I never added a `using` declaration on top...
19:25 < sipa> https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/adl ?
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19:28 < dongcarl> WTF
19:29 < dongcarl> Okay yeah I guess that's it...
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19:38 < Guest53> hi
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19:41 < Guest53> anyone up for creating a more widely usable system, for the general public use and setting up  verifiers
19:43 < Guest53> ok ok
19:43 < Guest53> gues who itr is
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19:48 < Guest53> annd
19:50 < Guest53> they just wanted to use me, they never could see anything in me
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19:50 < Guest53> it was about power
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19:55 < Guest53> i was planning on old mc donnald had some farms
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21:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kristapsk opened pull request #24376: script: Trivial bitcoin-wallet fixes (help output and code comment) (master...bitcoin-wallet-trivial) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24376
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21:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kristapsk closed pull request #24353: RPC: Return external_signer command in getwalletinfo (master...getwalletinfo-external_signer-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24353
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22:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3a618c1e3b79...66636ca438cb
22:33 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a4da16f Jon Atack: Improve -netinfo help based on feedback from users and devs
22:33 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 66636ca MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24360: doc: improve -netinfo help based on feedback ...
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22:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24360: doc: improve -netinfo help based on feedback from users and devs (master...netinfo-doc-improvements) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24360
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23:53 < laanwj> re: rpc bindings in bitcoin core, the sentiment seems to be 'no', that there is a percieved need for something to be 'well-maintained' doesn't mean it needs to end up on the plate of the maintainers of bitcoin core, see also the discussion in #23468 (and that's about Python, not some language)
23:53 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23468 | make Python bindings externally usable by jamesob · Pull Request #23468 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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23:55 < laanwj> if the bindings for your language aren't up to spec, get involved in updating or maintaining them
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