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03:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] prusnak opened pull request #24688: build, qt: drop fix_no_printer patch, add  (master...qt5-5.15.3+patches) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24688
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03:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] prusnak closed pull request #24688: build, qt: drop fix_no_printer patch, add CVE fixes (master...qt5-5.15.3+patches) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24688
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04:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #24684: build, qt: Drop fix_no_printer.patch (master...220326-qtprint) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24684
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14:37 < jeremyrubin> bitcoin core doesn't have an API for getting a valid pubkey for taproot does it?
14:37 < jeremyrubin> trying to figure out if it's something worth having
14:37 < jeremyrubin> the way i can think of doing it is getnewaddress and getaddressinfo 
14:37 < jeremyrubin> but that's not guaranteed to be a TR address
14:37 < jeremyrubin> and the top-level key in theory could be NUMS
14:39 < sipa> any public key is valid for tr()
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14:40 < jeremyrubin> that's not true
14:41 < jeremyrubin> i want a valid spendable one
14:41 < jeremyrubin> e.g. if i do getaddressinfo the top-level key i can see might be NUMs
14:41 < sipa> i mean any public key you generate
14:41 < jeremyrubin> yes
14:41 < jeremyrubin> i would like core to generate a a public key and give it to me
14:42 < jeremyrubin> since it does hardened derivation i cant do it my own
14:42 < jeremyrubin> but i'd want the key and maybe the path?
14:42 < sipa> what do you want this for?
14:42 < jeremyrubin> e.g. if i want to create a multisig address let's say
14:43 < sipa> yeah, there isn't a good interface for that
14:43 < jeremyrubin> i want to input the key into Miniscript and have my core wallet be able to sign a psbt
14:43 < sipa> though i think generating pubkeys manually is too low level
14:43 < jeremyrubin> are there any reasons not to expose that?
14:43 < sipa> you generally want xpubs or xpub paths for using in a descriptir
14:43 < jeremyrubin> sipa: it's not manually, it's done through software 
14:43 < jeremyrubin> sipa: but core does hardened derivation
14:43 < jeremyrubin> i would like core to give me a hardened key
14:43 < sipa> sure, i mean: not per individual key
14:44 < sipa> @jeremyrubin Only if you use hardened derivation paths
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14:44 < sipa> You can construct descriptors with unhardened paths too
14:44 < jeremyrubin> but wrt miniscript, i still need to send a deriv path to core and get the actual key back
14:44 < jeremyrubin> i cant otherwise create the address from third party software
14:44 < jeremyrubin> since it's a hardened path...
14:45 < jeremyrubin> theres also not a way to dump XPUB right now AFAIU
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14:47 < sipa> All keys are linked to a descriptor in descriptor wallets, I believe. So you can't really ask to generate a key without risking having that key being reused in an address.
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14:47 < sipa> You can export xpubs or xprvs.
14:48 < jeremyrubin> hmm isn't there an application prefix?
14:48 < jeremyrubin> (for context, hit up on this in Sapio studio where i want to input keys for spend paths into a vault contract, but don't really have any clear way to actually get a key a core node would be able to sign for)
14:48 < sipa> Or rather, descriptors with or without private key data.
14:48 < sipa> What are application prefixes?
14:48 < jeremyrubin> https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/78993/default-derivation-paths
14:49 < sipa> Yes, but you can choose them freely when importing, and they're also part of exported descriptors.
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14:52 < sipa> You could try to export an existing descriptor, use its key expression with a slightly or non-hardened different path or so, and re-import that.
14:53 < jeremyrubin> Ok it sounds like the flow might be:
14:53 < sipa> Not sure if that works; the private key may be tied to the descriptor it came from.
14:53 < sipa> Certainly easier to just generate a new xprv externally and import that.
14:55 < jeremyrubin> sipa: yes but in theory i want to prefer cores rng lol
14:55 < jeremyrubin> and then i need to backup a new thing
14:56 < sipa> maybe there could be a feature to generating a fresh xpub (whose private key gets stored in the wallet)?
14:56 < jeremyrubin> listdescript => filter for tr => getdescriptorinfo => check if isSolvable => deriveaddresses? but then the issue there is reuse...
14:57 < sipa> so you can construct descriptor key expressions from that
14:57 < jeremyrubin> still need ot back up a new thing
14:57 < jeremyrubin> prefer to have 1 seed backup
14:57 < sipa> that's not how core works
14:57 < sipa> if you're going to be importing a descriptor anyway, you'll need a new backup regardless
14:58 < jeremyrubin> I thought you can rebuild most wallet state with a reindex
14:58 < jeremyrubin> and just a seed backup
14:58 < sipa> for bitcoin core you need a backup of the wallet.dat
14:58 < jeremyrubin> when?
14:58 < sipa> or since recently, a dump of the private descriptors will also work
14:58 < sipa> since descriptor wallets
14:59 < jeremyrubin> i mean "after which events"
14:59 < jeremyrubin> i just made a backup
14:59 < jeremyrubin> when do i backup again
14:59 < sipa> after importing anything
14:59 < jeremyrubin> so the difference is that
14:59 < jeremyrubin> for the seed it's the _private_ materials
15:00 < jeremyrubin> which the backup procedures are different for IMO
15:00 < sipa> they can be, in theory
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15:00 < sipa> but that's not how it works in bitcoin core's wallet
15:00 < jeremyrubin> for a non-priv bearing descriptor, i can back it up to e.g. cloud storage 
15:00 < sipa> yes, i'm aware
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15:01 < sipa> but again, that's not how it works; the supported procedure is backing up your wallet.dat
15:01 < jeremyrubin> i dont think for the thing im doing you need to backup anything in core
15:01 < jeremyrubin> the descriptors arent being kept in core
15:01 < jeremyrubin> theyre kept externally
15:01 < sipa> yes they are
15:02 < jeremyrubin> i just need core to spit out a derivation path and key?
15:02 < sipa> if you want bitcoin core to use them you need to import them
15:02 < jeremyrubin> yes, but they dont need to be backed up
15:02 < jeremyrubin> because this application layer can always re-import them
15:02 < jeremyrubin> it will "own" them afterwards
15:02 < jeremyrubin> but core still has the signing authority 
15:04 < sipa> achow101 probably has a better idea how something like that could be supported
15:05 < sipa> it wasn't clear to me you just wanted the ability to sign
15:05 < jeremyrubin> yeah
15:05 < jeremyrubin> im happy to treat all the other data as responsibility of client
15:05 < sipa> i'm not sure it's possible to do something like that currently
15:05 < jeremyrubin> it's a pretty straighforward architecture that you treat core as your 'key enclave' and then it will give you data out that it could later sign for
15:06 < jeremyrubin> maybe it's a separate software project for a virtual key enclave...
15:06 < jeremyrubin> but it'd be nice if it's core because it's good to have like all the wallet and descriptor stuff working in that, as well as other things core can do
15:09 < jeremyrubin> thanks for your time!
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23:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2f0f056e08cd...3d2f24bb388a
23:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa0f666 MarcoFalke: style: Add static keyword where possible in rpc/mempool
23:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fac5a51 MarcoFalke: Move mempool RPCs to rpc/mempool
23:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3d2f24b MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24656: refactor: Move mempool RPCs to rpc/mempool
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23:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24656: refactor: Move mempool RPCs to rpc/mempool (master...2203-more-mempool-🍢) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24656
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