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00:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/51eebe082d0d...d6832217ef45
00:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2224bca glozow: [doc] RBF feerate rule
00:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d683221 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25382: doc requirement that replacement must have hi...
00:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #25382: doc requirement that replacement must have higher feerate than direct conflicts (master...2022-06-rbf-feerate-rule) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25382
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01:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow closed pull request #21413: [rfc] add option to bypass contextual timelocks in testmempoolaccept? (master...2021-03-bypass-timelocks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21413
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02:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #25388: refactor: move policy constants to policy (master...25295_cleanup_all_constants) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25388
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04:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d6832217ef45...8035b5c80df5
04:48 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e2aa704 fanquake: refactor: un-subtree univalue
04:48 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d873ff9 fanquake: refactor: cleanups post unsubtree'ing univalue
04:48 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8035b5c MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25369: Unsubtree Univalue
04:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #25369: Unsubtree Univalue (master...unsubtree_univalue) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25369
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04:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #25389: guix: use libtool 2.4.7 (master...guix_libtool_2_4_7) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25389
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05:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild opened pull request #25390: sync: introduce a thread-safe smart pointer and use it to remove g_maplocalhost_mutex (master...ThreadSafePtr) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25390
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06:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #25391: [POC] guix: Use LTO to build releases (master...lto_in_guix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25391
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09:11 < Murch> achow101: #24649 has three acks, it might be ready to merge or need another look
09:11 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24649 | wallet: do not count wallet utxos as external by S3RK · Pull Request #24649 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #25293: logging: remove duplicate categories from LogPrint output (master...remove_duplicate_categories_from_logprint_output) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25293
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09:20 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f0f5cd7 Luke Dashjr: Bugfix: configure: Define default for use_libevent
09:20 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf25b0 laanwj: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25282: Bugfix: configure: Define default for use_lib...
09:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #25282: Bugfix: configure: Define default for use_libevent (master...fix_configure_def_use_libevent) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25282
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09:55 < laanwj> should we archive https://github.com/bitcoin-core/univalue-subtree now that it's un-subtreed?
09:56 < laanwj> or even delete
09:57 < fanquake> I think archiving is fine for now
09:58 < laanwj> right, deleting would give a problem with CI in older releases which still have it as subtree
09:58 < laanwj> or maybe not (the subtree check doesn't actually fetch?) anyhow, agree
10:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #25392: scripts: remove no-longer-needed ignored exports (master...drop_no_longer_needed_export_ignores) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25392
10:09 < laanwj> it's archived
10:18 < sipa> sgtm
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10:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/faf25b09d9e7...489b5876698f
10:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 03574b9 Carl Dong: tree-wide: clang-format CTxMemPool references
10:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 319f0ce Carl Dong: rest/getutxos: Don't construct empty mempool
10:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 213457e Carl Dong: test/policyestimator: Use ChainTestingSetup's CTxMemPool
10:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #25215: [kernel 2d/n] Reduce CTxMemPool constructor call sites (master...2022-03-libbitcoinkernel-reduce-mempool-ctor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25215
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11:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/489b5876698f...0ea92cad5274
11:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cc74459 Vasil Dimov: net: also wait for exceptional events in Sock::Wait()
11:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ae26346 Vasil Dimov: net: introduce Sock::WaitMany()
11:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6e68ccb Vasil Dimov: net: use Sock::WaitMany() instead of CConnman::SocketEvents()
11:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #24356: refactor: replace CConnman::SocketEvents() with mockable Sock::WaitMany() (master...WaitMany) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24356
11:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0ea92cad5274...b0c830634907
11:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c3981e3 S3RK: wallet: do not count wallet utxos as external
11:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7832e94 S3RK: test: fundrawtransaction preset input weight calculation
11:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b0c8306 Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24649: wallet: do not count wallet utxos as external
11:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #24649: wallet: do not count wallet utxos as external (master...wallet_correct_external_utxo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24649
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11:54 < MacroFake> Won't make it to the meeting, but can I haz #23418 for hi-prio pls?
11:54 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23418 | Fix signed integer overflow in prioritisetransaction RPC by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #23418 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:59 < laanwj> added!
12:01 < luke-jr> is meeting?
12:01 < laanwj> #startmeeting
12:01 <@core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Jun 16 19:01:43 2022 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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12:02 < laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard b10c BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo
12:02 < laanwj> moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
12:02 < achow101> hi
12:02 < luke-jr> hi
12:02 < laanwj> welcome to the weekly general bitcoin-core-dev meeting
12:03 < ariard> hi
12:03 < jeremyrubin> hi
12:03 < laanwj> there have been no topics proposed in advance (you can propose topics at any time during the week with #proposedmeetingtopic)
12:03 < laanwj> any last minute ones?
12:03 < ariard> yes, full-rbf: what should be the color of the bike and the number of cycles :)
12:04 < laanwj> hehe
12:05 < laanwj> let's start with high prio as usual
12:05 < laanwj> #topic High priority for review
12:05 <@core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
12:05 < laanwj> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 has 8 blockers, 2 chasing concept ACK
12:05 < laanwj> anything to add / remove?
12:06 < laanwj> i think #22558 is getting close
12:06 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22558 | psbt: Taproot fields for PSBT by achow101 · Pull Request #22558 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:08 < laanwj> #23443 and #24232 need rebase
12:08 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23443 | p2p: Erlay support signaling by naumenkogs · Pull Request #23443 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:08 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24232 | assumeutxo: add init and completion logic by jamesob · Pull Request #24232 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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12:08 < laanwj> and #21702
12:08 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21702 | Implement BIP-119 Validation (CheckTemplateVerify) by JeremyRubin · Pull Request #21702 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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12:10 < laanwj> #24058 hasn't had review for quite a while, it definitely needs some more eyes on it, same for #23443 i think
12:10 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24058 | BIP-322 basic support by kallewoof · Pull Request #24058 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:10 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23443 | p2p: Erlay support signaling by naumenkogs · Pull Request #23443 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:11 < laanwj> but if there's no other suggestions, let's move on
12:11 < laanwj> #topic full-rbf: what should be the color of the bike and the number of cycles (ariard)
12:11 <@core-meetingbot> topic: full-rbf: what should be the color of the bike and the number of cycles (ariard)
12:12 < luke-jr> I don't think BIP 322 itself is ready
12:12 < laanwj> luke-jr: right
12:12 < ariard> so #25353 is proposing to introduce a `-fullrbf` option
12:12 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25353 | Add a `-fullrbf` node setting by ariard · Pull Request #25353 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:12 < laanwj> ok so we have two competing PRs for fullrbf now
12:13 < ariard> there have been a lot of eyes, on both to the best of my understanding the diff between the 2 are:
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12:13 < ariard> a) the name of the option and config args
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12:13 < ariard> and b) the range of the options
12:14 < ariard> i believe in #25353, there is one demand to potentially add a `-disableRBF` by the same occasion
12:14 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25353 | Add a `-fullrbf` node setting by ariard · Pull Request #25353 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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12:14 < luke-jr> #25373 is just the RBF options supported since 2016
12:14 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25373 | Support ignoring "opt-in" flag for RBF (aka full RBF) by luke-jr · Pull Request #25373 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:14 < ariard> like i said in #25373, as long as we had a `fullrbf` option, i'm happy
12:14 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25373 | Support ignoring "opt-in" flag for RBF (aka full RBF) by luke-jr · Pull Request #25373 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:15 < ariard> there is also a more deeper question of recactoring a bit the mempool settings code
12:15 < luke-jr> it doesn't make sense to special-case each configuration as a dedicated option
12:15 < ariard> s/recactoring/refactoring/g
12:15 < sipa> i expect that over time we'll only want the most incentive-compatible option, though i don't know when that'll be
12:16 < luke-jr> sipa: that's one opinion, and shouldn't have a monopoly
12:16 < luke-jr> sipa: also, incentives vary; miners vs non-miners in this case
12:16 < sipa> sure, every node operator is free to implement whatever policy they want, but that doesn't need to mean we need to support anything anyone can come up with
12:16 < ariard> luke-jr: could you precise, do you mean each _imaginable_ replacement policy shouldn't have a dedicated option? 
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12:16 < sipa> why not? node operators will want to have policy that matches miners' policies
12:17 < luke-jr> ariard: I mean for mutually exclusive policies, a single option makes sense with multiple values
12:17 < luke-jr> sipa: no, miners will want to have policy that matches nodes' policies
12:17 < ariard> luke-jr: here i agree, i don't think to implement `mempoolrbf=disable,full` for 25353
12:18 < sipa> luke-jr: I don't think that makes sense. If there is a tangible economic benefit for both miners and wallets to use a certain policy, it will be adopted. If full nodes choose to ignore it for their own mempools, they'll be bypassed.
12:18 < sipa> And then everyone is worse off.
12:18 < ariard> luke-jr: in anycase, core is a software for both node and miners operators, what's the dynamics of the bitcoin system w.r.t policy adoption are beyond the scope of the discussion? 
12:18 < luke-jr> sipa: compact blocks was only acceptable because miners are incentivised to match nodes' policies, and not vice-versa.
12:18 < sipa> The incentives for transaction relay are very different than for block acceptance.
12:19 < sipa> I don't think this discussion is going anywhere.
12:20 < achow101> imo mempoolreplacement is not a good name
12:20 < achow101> unless the idea is to have replacement policies other than rbf
12:20 < laanwj> well, we have optin
12:20 < ariard> do we have people who really want disablerbf ? not even optin
12:21 < luke-jr> achow101: mempoolreplacement is the name it's always used.. and makes sense, since non-fee-based policies exist
12:21 < laanwj> no
12:21 < sipa> adding an option for full-rbf makes sense to me, and discussions around experimenting with wallets using it. I don't care about the name, but I don't think we should spend much time about accomodating even more policies right now
12:21 < luke-jr> ariard: I don't have any way to tell if anyone uses it with Knots
12:21 < laanwj> sipa: +1
12:21 < laanwj> i do think the option name should be prefixed with mempool though
12:22 < ariard> okay, good if anyone has more ideas on the name setting, please express so on 25353
12:22 < achow101> luke-jr: considering that the option currently does not exist in the codebase, I would not say "always"
12:22 < ariard> yeah, prefix good
12:22 < luke-jr> achow101: it's in older Core versions, and has been in Knots the entire time
12:22 < ariard> i won't consider `disablerbf` for 25353, if we think `disablerbf` isn't worthy
12:22 < laanwj> apart from that, yes, it seems what could have been a simple quick to mereg PR has been hijacked by bikeshedding and competing PR
12:23 < luke-jr> ariard's being the competing one. I don't know why there was a desire to rewrite what has existed for years..
12:24 < ariard> okay, i'll take the refactoring suggestion in 25353
12:24 < luke-jr> and then even make it incompatible needlessly
12:24 < ariard> luke-jr: should we OTS our PR opening next time :p ?
12:24 < laanwj> incompatible with an option that hasn't existed for years
12:24 < luke-jr> laanwj: yes, it has
12:25 < laanwj> luke-jr: in your implementation, not core
12:25 < achow101> the args manager makes the option that has beenremoved for years to already be incompatible
12:25 < luke-jr> gratuitous incompatibility seems like a recurring problem in Core.
12:25 < achow101> it literally errors on unknown options
12:25 < laanwj> achow101: right
12:25 < luke-jr> achow101: not in the config file
12:25 < laanwj> ok, any other topics?
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12:26 < luke-jr> ariard: original PR is #7219
12:26 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/7219 | Make RBF policies optional by luke-jr · Pull Request #7219 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:26 < laanwj> or, would anyone like to talk about what they're working on?
12:26 < sipa> Not much has changed on what I'm working on compared to the last time we did this.
12:27 < fanquake> I’ve made some LTO related progress, and am circling back to musl builds
12:27 < sipa> What are the prospects around musl?
12:27 < ariard> luke-jr: sure, i think what matters between our 2 PRs, which are really equivalent, is making things well encapsulated
12:27 < fanquake> sipa: My current PR will build you a fully static musl based bitcoind
12:28 < sipa> Nice. Does the binary also work? ;)
12:28 < fanquake> Still need to expand it for all hosts, building on non x86-64 etc
12:28 < fanquake> I have done a sync with the binary 😅
12:28 < laanwj> haha :)
12:29 < laanwj> but great to hear that
12:30 < laanwj> fully static LTO'ed binaries are getting closer
12:30 < sipa> Great.
12:30 < ariard> oh, i've a message from gleb who can't log in the chan apparently..
12:30 < ariard> gleb "I just wanna mention that we had a good momentum with  #23443 getting acks or near-acks from antoine and gloria, but then kinda lost it a month ago :( "
12:31 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23443 | p2p: Erlay support signaling by naumenkogs · Pull Request #23443 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:31 < fanquake> and we can build those with a from src bootstrapped Guix
12:31 < ariard> "I will rebase tomorrow, and the review is very very welcome to make progress on the first batch, perhaps one or two pair of extra eyes could make a big difference"
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12:31 < ariard> (sorry for the interruption)
12:31 < fanquake> ariard: thanks for the update
12:32 < laanwj> yes, thanks for the update, the IRC problem is strange, maybe not logged into nickserv?
12:33 < ariard> yeah dunno what he's done with his IRC setup, i'll relay
12:33 < laanwj> we had to enable posting for only logged in users, because of anonymoous off topic drive-by posting, a while ago
12:34 < laanwj> i think that concludes the meeting, thanks for the updates! see you next week
12:34 < laanwj> #endmeeting
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12:35 < luke-jr> ariard: being compatible with the existing option, is important
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12:36 < ariard> luke-jr: ah you mean compatiblity of the config file between node implementations?
12:36 < luke-jr> ariard: yes
12:37 < luke-jr> ariard: also note, the code in my PR has been in production use and well-tested (incl functional tests) for years
12:39 < ariard> luke-jr: sure one comment feedback in 25353 was making things more encapsulate, now we take codebase modularity more seriously
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12:40 < ariard> luke-jr: w.r.t to the compatibility of the config file between impl, i don't know what's core project philosophy on that, it open the door to have a weird haskell implem with no-users to require supporting their config file
12:40 < luke-jr> ariard: if there's no reason *not* to use the same config option as weird Haskell impl, why not?
12:41 < luke-jr> I'm not suggesting compatibility at all costs, only preferring it over incompatibility, between multiple equal possibilities
12:43 < ariard> luke-jr: yeah i think it would take more thinkings to envision well all the cases of cross-implementation backward/forward compatibility, maybe open an issue to have a separate project discussion on that specific point ?
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12:44 < luke-jr> don't have to envision things in advance either :P
12:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b0c830634907...7f2c983e1cfd
12:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b541803 laanwj: contrib: Use asmap for ASN lookup in makeseeds
12:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ae00b9e Jon Atack: contrib: add seeds progress indicator and remove asmap one in makeseeds sc...
12:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 667e316 laanwj: contrib: Update makeseeds to asmap-nextgen
12:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #24864: contrib: Use asmap for ASN lookup in makeseeds (master...2022-04-makeseeds-use-asmap) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24864
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14:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7f2c983e1cfd...874529665c1c
14:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7e7b3e4 fanquake: build: add and use C_STANDARD in depends
14:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f7595f1 fanquake: build: add and use CXX_STANDARD in depends
14:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8745296 laanwj: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22380: build: add and use C_STANDARD and CXX_STANDAR...
14:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22380: build: add and use C_STANDARD and CXX_STANDARD in depends (master...set_std_c_version_depends) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22380
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17:37 < kallewoof> What's not ready about it? <luke-lr: I don't think BIP 322 itself is ready>
17:37 < kallewoof> *luke-jr
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17:59 < luke-jr> kallewoof: last I looked, it still wasn't very clear on the use-case end
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