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00:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #25928: Revert "ci: Integrate ccache into MSVC build" (master...220825.msvc-ci) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25928
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00:09 < hebasto> MacroFake: I also going to try to stick to the previous version of ccache 
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00:23 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #25929: ci: Force `ccache` package version for MSVC build (master...220825-msvc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25929
00:24 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #25928: Revert "ci: Integrate ccache into MSVC build" (master...220825.msvc-ci) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25928
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00:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1420547ec30a...d36bec9b3bf5
00:50 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7bc33a8 Ryan Ofsky: refactor: Move ChainstateManager options into m_options struct
00:50 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d36bec9 MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25905: refactor: Move ChainstateManager options into...
00:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #25905: refactor: Move ChainstateManager options into m_options struct (master...pr/csmopt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25905
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04:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d36bec9b3bf5...6057e7e2b903
04:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 905f614 Hennadii Stepanov: ci: Force `ccache` package version for MSVC build
04:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cda6265 Hennadii Stepanov: ci: Increase `windows_container` resources
04:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6057e7e MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25929: ci: Force `ccache` package version for MSVC b...
04:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #25929: ci: Force `ccache` package version for MSVC build (master...220825-msvc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25929
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04:26 < bitcoin-git> [gui] jadijadi opened pull request #655: qt - Persist "mask values" in gui (master...jadi-issue652-persist-mask) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/655
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04:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Vinodwickrama opened pull request #25930: Update the copyright year range (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25930
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05:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #25930: Update the copyright year range (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25930
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08:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6057e7e2b903...ba2edcae7321
08:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6242314 Sebastian Falbesoner: doc: add `{import,list}descriptors` to list of descriptor RPCs
08:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ba2edca Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25925: doc: add `{import,list}descriptors` to list o...
08:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #25925: doc: add `{import,list}descriptors` to list of descriptor RPCs (master...202208-doc-add_new_descriptor_calls_to_docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25925
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10:50 < Zaidan> I'm trying to get my timezones right, is the meeting in 10 mins?
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10:51 < sipa> No, in 70 minutes.
10:51 < Zaidan> ah ty
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11:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #25931: rpc: sort listdescriptors result (master...2022/08/sort-listdescriptors) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25931
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11:48 < Zaidan> I'm looking for configuration options to add a suffix to the pid name so I can run multiple nodes from different branches and know which one is which, any suggestions?
11:56 < jarthur> I don't know of anything out of the box, but there are some runtime tricks. Assuming you give your branch instances different datadirs, you'll get a separate bitcoind.pid in each.
11:57 < sipa> You can't run two instances out of the same datadir anyway, so I don't think it's useful (and likely problematic) to make them use distinct pidfiles.
11:57 < sipa> Though you can provide the -pidfile=FILE command line argument if you really want to.
11:58 < laanwj> i doubt it's useful but it's not going to give problems because the mechanism to lock datadir is independent from the pid file
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12:00 < laanwj> #startmeeting
12:00 <@core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 25 19:00:13 2022 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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12:00 < provoostenator> hi
12:00 < hebasto> hi
12:00 < dongcarl> hi
12:01 < kouloumos> hi
12:01 < lightlike> hi
12:01 < theStack> hi
12:01 < laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard b10c BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo
12:01 < laanwj> moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
12:01 < Zaidan> hi, observing this for the first time
12:01 < sipa> hi
12:01 < achow101> hi
12:01 < laanwj> one topic has been proposed: full-rbf maximalism vs gentle phase-out of opt-in RBF (ariard)
12:01 < furszy> hi
12:02 < vasild> hi (semiasleep)
12:02 < laanwj> i also think the 24.0 feature freeze is to be discussed
12:02 < kanzure> hi
12:02 < laanwj> any last minute topics?
12:03 < laanwj> #topic 24.0 feature freeze / milestone
12:03 <@core-meetingbot> topic: 24.0 feature freeze / milestone
12:04 < laanwj> the feature freeze was moved forward by 7 days but that date (2022-08-22) has passed as well
12:04 < laanwj> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24987
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12:04 < laanwj> are we ready to feature freeze now?
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12:05 < laanwj> 24.0 milestone: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/54
12:05 < sipa> I'm just going over #25717 again, it's gotten a lot of review nits lately, but very close I think.
12:05 < luke-jr> ..
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12:06 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25717 | p2p: Implement anti-DoS headers sync by sdaftuar · Pull Request #25717 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:06 < provoostenator> It's pretty ambitious PR so late in the release cycle.
12:06 < achow101> #19602 has been getting a lot of review now and I'm not sure that it will make it. I've found a somewhat 
12:06 < provoostenator> (as much as I'm a fan of it)
12:06 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19602 | wallet: Migrate legacy wallets to descriptor wallets by achow101 · Pull Request #19602 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:06 < achow101> somewhat major bug today
12:06 < lightlike> #25355 has several ACKs too
12:06 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25355 | I2P: add support for transient addresses for outbound connections by vasild · Pull Request #25355 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:06 < vasild> provoostenator: +1
12:07 < provoostenator> achow101: that RPC is marked experimental anyway, so it might be good to get it in to see if any wallets in the wild don't work with it.
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12:07 < laanwj> ok, so it seems the answer is 'feature freeze needs to be postponed further', as i've heard mention of three PRs now
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12:09 < provoostenator> Seems so, unless there's any reason we want to ship 24.0 real soon?
12:09 < laanwj> not that i know of
12:10 < laanwj> it is a slightly uncommon way of working, we've never really delayed the feature freeze for non critical features, it was 'what makes it in makes it in'
12:10 < luke-jr> maybe make 1 week from today a hard deadline for enforcing that then?
12:10 < vasild> I am ok to drop #25355 from 24 if people think it is rushed or needs more time/review.
12:10 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25355 | I2P: add support for transient addresses for outbound connections by vasild · Pull Request #25355 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:11 < laanwj> those PRs have been close to merge for quite a time now and there has to be a cut-off point, bu there's no reason why it'd need to be today
12:11 < glozow> +1 25717 is my priority rn
12:11 < laanwj> luke-jr: sgtm, if others agree
12:12 < vasild> the i2p one is a "nice to have", not "must have"
12:13 < luke-jr> arguably features are always "nice to have" - there's always 25.x :P
12:13 < vasild> :P
12:13 < laanwj> fwiw i'll be traveling next week so i'll not be here
12:13 < luke-jr> o
12:13 < laanwj> not that it matters someone else can easily pick up the meeting
12:15 < dongcarl> last minute topic: libbitcoinkernel update
12:16 < laanwj> dongcarl: noted
12:16 < laanwj> #topic full-rbf maximalism vs gentle phase-out of opt-in RBF (ariard)
12:16 <@core-meetingbot> topic: full-rbf maximalism vs gentle phase-out of opt-in RBF (ariard)
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12:18 < lightlike> when suggesting that topic, ariard added he wasn't sure if he could make it to the meeting.
12:18 < laanwj> ok, that seems the case
12:19 < laanwj> let's postpone it for another meeting then?
12:20 < vasild> is there a problem with the current state of rbf?
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12:21 < luke-jr> devs need to stop trying to dictate policies for users. if some users want "full RBF", they should be able to have it. Likewise, opt-in RBF.
12:21 < glozow> this is a signaling question, though the answer to your question is yes, there’s room for improvement
12:22 < lightlike> Can't speak for him, but I think he probably wanted to discuss different possibilities to transition to full-rbf:
12:22 < lightlike> Support for preferential peering (#25600) vs changing the default vs doing nothing (having it as an option that is off per default)
12:22 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25600 | p2p: Advertise `NODE_REPLACE_BY_FEE` and connect to 1 outbound full-rbf peer if `mempoolfullrbf` sets by ariard · Pull Request #25600 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:23 < glozow> sure, i run a full rbf node, 🤷🏻‍♀️ but merging full rbf default or preferential peering is a different question. agree to postpone this topic for when ariard is here.
12:24 < laanwj> ok, let's move to dongcarl's topic then
12:24 < laanwj> #topic libbitcoinkernel update (dongcarl)
12:24 <@core-meetingbot> topic: libbitcoinkernel update (dongcarl)
12:24 < dongcarl> Hi all, I’ll be leaving Chaincode Labs next week and will no longer be contributing full time to Bitcoin Core. I won’t be entirely gone, just contributing within the restriction of my leftover bandwidth (IIRC fjahr has been doing this).
12:25 < dongcarl> I’ve tapped TheCharlatan as the point person for driving forward libbitcoinkernel (although I see all contributors, reviewers, and PR authors whose PRs we depend on as part of the libbitcoinkernel effort).
12:25 < dongcarl> I strongly believe that he has the right skillset and drive for completing what’s left of phase 1 of libbitcoinkernel and making phase 2 happen. I’m currently ramping him up, and he is set to be able to devote full-time attention starting November and I will assist in helping him find full-time sponsors (there are parties who have indicated
12:25 < dongcarl> interest already).
12:25 < dongcarl> TheCharlatan: Perhaps you’d like to introduce yourself, what you’ve done in the past, what your interest is in libbitcoinkernel?
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12:26 < vasild> :(
12:26 < Zaidan> well thank you for your contributions carl 
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12:26 < glozow> 😭
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12:27 < dongcarl> I will still be an alive human though! (at least I expect to be)
12:28  * dongcarl nudges TheCharlatan
12:28 < laanwj> phew!
12:28 < TheCharlatan> carl's are big shoes to fill, but he's been super helpful in getting men up to speed so far
12:28 < sipa> I was hoping for a bit more than "alive".
12:28 < luke-jr> lol
12:29 < luke-jr> libbitcoinkernel aside, is anyone going to be actively maintaining the guix stuff? :x
12:29 < fanquake> yes?
12:29 < dongcarl> luke-jr: Oh I think fanquake and hebasto have been doing more than an excellent job
12:30 < luke-jr> ok, sorry, I don't mean to downplay their work, I don't pay close attention to the "who" on PRs
12:30 < laanwj> but yes it was a bit of a shock to me as well to hear you're moving to something else, I fully understand of course. Hopefully TheCharlatan can take it over the finish line.
12:30 < dongcarl> TheCharlatan: Perhaps you can speak a bit about your past work?
12:30 < sipa> Will he turn into TheCarlatan?
12:30 < dongcarl> OH NO
12:31 < TheCharlatan> I've been lurking here since a long time, and am keen to keep carl's work alive. Im also a guix user, so over time I hope to keep at it as well. I'll slowly ramp up my contributions over the next months.
12:31 < dongcarl> You have uncovered my ploy
12:32 < dongcarl> The current plan is to have TheCharlatan do chainparams<->ArgsManager circular dependency decoupling as the first PR, we'll see as we go along!
12:32 < dongcarl> Thanks for listening all :-)
12:33 < laanwj> thanks for the update
12:34 < laanwj> any other topics for today?
12:35 < laanwj> #endmeeting
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12:36 < Zaidan> Cool stuff, so these meetings seem like a coordination ground for releases and updates on large endeavors like the kernel project
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12:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] yancyribbens opened pull request #25932: refactor: Simplify backtrack logic (master...my-origin/bnb-refactor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25932
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12:53 < cfields> I intend to step up and help TheCharlatan out with the libkernel work/review as well. I've fallen off a bit lately (again) but am trying to find my way back (again) :)
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13:13 < jnewbery> dongcarl: thanks for all of your contributions and good luck in your next adventure :)
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13:17 < cfields> +1
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13:46 < dongcarl> Thanks jnewbery! :-)
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13:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] furszy opened pull request #25933: wallet: AvailableCoins, simplify output script type acquisition (master...2022_wallet_availablecoins_type_cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25933
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14:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ba2edcae7321...bbbc26dcfc87
14:12 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e90a445 Sebastian Falbesoner: scripted-diff: rpc: fix rescan RPC name (s/rescanwallet/rescanblockchain/)
14:12 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bbbc26d Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25924: scripted-diff: rpc: fix rescan RPC name (s/re...
14:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #25924: scripted-diff: rpc: fix rescan RPC name (s/rescanwallet/rescanblockchain/) (master...202208-rename_rescanwallet_to_rescanblockchain) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25924
14:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] brunoerg opened pull request #25934: wallet, rpc: add `label` to `listsinceblock` (master...2022-08-add-label-listsinceblock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25934
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14:31 < bytes1440000> luke-jr: agree with you devs need to stop trying to dictate policies for users. if some users want "full RBF", they should be able to have it. Likewise, opt-in RBF.
14:31 < bytes1440000> i have a default nack for such changes
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15:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Rspigler closed pull request #25927: docs: create sybil.md (master...sybil) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25927
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18:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #25935: build: include example bitcoin.conf in build outputs under share/examples/ subdirectory (master...dist_bitcoinconf_as_example) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25935
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23:50 < b10c> thank you dongcarl! And welcome TheCharlatan! 
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