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01:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b2215b316de7...19585eeb778a
01:09 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2ef33e9 Jon Atack: contrib: update testnet torv3 hardcoded seeds
01:09 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 19585ee MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25853: net: update testnet torv3 hardcoded seeds for...
01:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #25853: net: update testnet torv3 hardcoded seeds for 24.x (master...torv3-testnet-hardcoded-seeds) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25853
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01:20 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 85f0f93 fanquake: build: sync ax_boost_base from upstream
01:20 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a9049dd fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26002: build: sync ax_boost_base from upstream
01:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #26002: build: sync ax_boost_base from upstream (master...sync_boost_base) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26002
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01:34 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 07b6e74 Aurèle Oulès: test: Display skipped tests reason
01:34 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 013924a MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26031: test: Display skipped tests reason
01:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #26031: test: Display skipped tests reason (master...2022-09-print-test-skip-reason) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26031
01:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/013924aa6dc9...dd3ada6ec483
01:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2186608 stickies-v: test: apply fixed feerate to avoid variable dynamic fees
01:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dd3ada6 MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25990: test: apply fixed feerate to avoid variable d...
01:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #25990: test: apply fixed feerate to avoid variable dynamic fees in wallet_groups.py (master...test-walletgroups-fix-feerate) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25990
01:39 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/dd3ada6ec483...3c5fb9691b7b
01:39 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 644772b Sebastian Falbesoner: message-capture-parser: fix AssertionError on parsing `headers` message
01:39 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3c5fb96 MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26007: [contrib] message-capture-parser: fix Asserti...
01:39 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #26007: [contrib] message-capture-parser: fix AssertionError on parsing `headers` message (master...202209-messagecapture-fix_assertionerror_on_parsing_headers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26007
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02:20 < vasild> I am looking at Erlay and the problem it is aiming to address - the inefficient flood-like tx propagation through the network. Is it the case that this flooding/inefficiency only happens for incoming INV/TX messages? That is - the transaction themselves seem to be sent only on request (ignoring unsolicited tx broadcast) which is efficient since we don't request the same tx from more than one peer 
02:20 < vasild> at a time, so no redundancy/waste of bandwidth. Also outgoing inv/tx messages are sent efficiently - we try not to send the same inv/tx to the same peer more than once. Is my understanding correct? gleb, sipa 
02:23 < vasild> I added some more counters to my node to measure traffic with more granularity.
02:28 < sdaftuar1> vasild: yes, the issue is that as the number of (full tx relay) peers goes up, bandwidth for tx relay goes up as well even thougg transactions are generally only downloaded once per node
02:28 < sdaftuar1> because of the inv overhead which is per connection
02:29 < sdaftuar1> so erlay should make it easier for us to increase the default number of full tx relay peers a single node connects to
02:31 < vasild> right, my public listening node (~120 connections, in+out) consumed about 450GB traffic last month, while my non listening node (just ~8 connections, all outbound) - about 15GB
02:36 < _aj_> sdaftuar1: we should also increase the number of block-relay-only peers we allow to connect to us now too, no?
02:38 < sdaftuar1> perhaps? i lost track of where we are on that
02:40 < _aj_> sdaftuar1: yeah me too. i think #22778 solved the potential memory blow-out
02:40 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22778 | net processing: Reduce resource usage for inbound block-relay-only connections by jnewbery · Pull Request #22778 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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03:27 < vasild> sdaftuar1: "so erlay should make it easier for us to increase the default number of full tx relay peers a single node connects to" -- this would only be relevant for non-listening nodes, because listening ones already have >100 connections (in or out is irrelevant for inv/tx flooding), right?
03:28 < vasild> I mean increasing the number of out connections, for a listening node would have very little impact - e.g. from 120+8 it would go to 120+10
03:28 < _aj_> vasild: (listening + non-listening) * outbound == listening * inbound  -- you can't increase the outbounds without increasing the inbound number, so inbounds have to be able to cope with 200 (eg) instead of 120 connections
03:31 < vasild> hmm, I assumed that listening nodes are not fully occipied, i.e. that it is _not_ the case that most listening nodes now at the cap
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03:33 < _aj_> if you have 1000 listening nodes and 14000 non-listening nodes; each node makes 8 outbound tx relay connections, that's 15000*8 outbound connections = 120,000 outbound connections --> 120,000 inbound connections, but there's only 1000 nodes listening for inbound connections, so then each gets 120 inbound connections
03:33 < _aj_> if you then increase the outbounds from 8 to 12 (+50%) you increase the inbounds by 50% too, so instead of 120 each, you have 180 each
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03:34 < _aj_> for a total of 180 in + 12 out + 2 block-relay-only = 194 connections for each listening node, rather than 120+8+2 = 130
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03:34 < vasild> right, do we have some metric for mainnet how many connections listening nodes have?
03:36 < _aj_> whenever i look at my node it has ~100, and we limit it to 120-something?
03:36 < vasild> DEFAULT_MAX_PEER_CONNECTIONS = 125
03:37 < vasild> ok, good, thanks!
03:37 < _aj_> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/historical.html -- luke's estimate says 46k nodes, 4.7k listening
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03:40 < _aj_> that would imply 400-500 inbounds per listening node, though. could be due to counting nodes that are only online intermittently to sync up (a few hours a day?) i guess
03:41 < _aj_> err, no it doesn't
03:41 < _aj_> it implies 86 inbound connections per listening node, which is completely plausible
03:41 < vasild> 46k total, each making 8 outbound = 368000
03:41 < vasild> divided by 4700 = 78
03:42 < _aj_> or 107 inbound connections if you count 8-tx + 2-block-relay-only, which exactly matches my node when i looked a minute ago
03:42 < _aj_> yeah, you're right, i'm very bad at maths
03:43 < vasild> yeah and mine was at 117 IIRC before I shut it down yesterday, and now is at ~50
03:43 < _aj_> anyway, there's a bunch of spy nodes out there which make way more than 8 outbound connections; and i think there's a few people who increase the limit above 125
03:49 < vasild> alright, so the point is that if we increase outbound connections (currently 8) with X% that would increase inbound connections on listening nodes with X%, but up to 125. If a listening node is already at 125, then it would get no increase (which if commonspread could create a network-wide problems of not enough listening nodes)
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05:34 < lightlike> vasild: yes, with the inbound eviction logic (we kick out someone else if we are full) it would lead to a network-wide ping-pong effect which is probably not good. Figure 3 in this paper https://arxiv.org/pdf/2108.00815.pdf suggests that many nodes are already at the maximum of incoming connections.
05:40 < lightlike> at least most nodes that are reliably online - fwiw, a new node I started reached the maximum of inbound connections within ~1.5 months.
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06:15 < vasild> yes
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06:17 < vasild> for now I am trying to verify this claim "transaction announcements account for 30–50% of the overall Bitcoin traffic" from the erlay paper (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.10518.pdf)
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06:52 < instagibbs> gleb, ^
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07:01 < sdaftuar1> vasild: i think you can ballpark that ratio by looking at inv traffic per transaction versus average transaction size.  
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07:31 < lightlike> luke-jr: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/historical.html - how do you estimate the number of non-listening nodes there?
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08:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] aureleoules opened pull request #26052: contrib: Add script to colorize logs (master...2022-09-colorize-output-script) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26052
08:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3c5fb9691b7b...ef5bb742f0f5
08:25 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ce42570 Kristaps Kaupe: doc: comment "add only reachable addresses to addrman"
08:25 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ef5bb74 MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26040: doc: comment "add only reachable addresses to...
08:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #26040: doc: comment "add only reachable addresses to addrman" (master...onlynet_dns-comment) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26040
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08:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] furszy opened pull request #26053: rpc: bugfix, 'add_inputs' default value is true unless 'inputs' are provided (master...2022_rpc_wallet_fix_help_add_inputs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26053
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09:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] brunoerg opened pull request #26054: test: verify active chaintip after invalidating an unknown block (master...2022-09-fix-test-invalidateblock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26054
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09:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] danyalsarwar opened pull request #26055: 23.x (master...23.x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26055
09:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #26055: 23.x (master...23.x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26055
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09:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #26056: build: extract $(BOOST_CPPFLAGS) from $(BITCOIN_INCLUDES)  (master...finer_boost_cppflags) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26056
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12:13 < brunoerg> Is there wallet meeting today?
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12:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mruddy closed pull request #24957: prune, import: allow pruning to work during loadblock import (master...issue_23852_import_prune) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24957
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12:31 < achow101> Sorry, afk today. If someone else wants to run the wallet meeting, go ahead. otherwise we can skip this week's
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20:46 < vasild> lightlike: maybe, whenever an incoming connection comes, check if the peer's address is in addrman, if not then consider it must be from non-listening node. Thus get a ratio of listening/non-listening. Maybe that would give a good estimate, even though it would not work for Tor and also assumes that all nodes have equal preference to connect to the measuring node.
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20:48 < vasild> hmm, but is it the case that bigger % of the non-listening nodes make short-lived connections, e.g. spv, mobile nodes. Then the result may be skewed.
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23:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ef5bb742f0f5...8ca51aa5fb79
23:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a7dbf74 fanquake: test: remove Boost Test from libtest util
23:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8ca51aa MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26009: test: remove Boost Test from libtest_util
23:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #26009: test: remove Boost Test from libtest_util (master...remove_boost_libtest) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26009
23:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8ca51aa5fb79...bb378b6ccdd3
23:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4f67336 brunoerg: test: verify best blockhash after invalidating an unknown block
23:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bb378b6 MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26054: test: verify best blockhash after invalidatin...
23:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #26054: test: verify best blockhash after invalidating an unknown block (master...2022-09-fix-test-invalidateblock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26054
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