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02:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] aureleoules opened pull request #26331: Implement `CCoinsViewErrorCatcher::HaveCoin` and check disk space periodically (master...2022-10-disk-space-problems-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26331
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03:37 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] 0xB10C closed pull request #23624: zmq: add rawmempooltx publisher (master...2021-11-zmq-raw-mempool-tx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23624
03:38 < b10c> ^ could get a up-for-grabs label: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23624#issuecomment-1282180731
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04:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e7a0e9627196...ba441d493ce6
04:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9e9ae61 fanquake: doc: remove library commentary from src/Makefile.am
04:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master af781bf fanquake: doc: fix typo in doc/libraries.md
04:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ba441d4 MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26313: doc: consolidate library documentation to lib...
04:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #26313: doc: consolidate library documentation to libraries.md (master...lib_doc_consolidate) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26313
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04:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ba441d493ce6...5974c49f90ea
04:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d6adbb7 Hennadii Stepanov: Adjust `.tx/config` for new Transifex CLI
04:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5974c49 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26321: Adjust `.tx/config` for new Transifex CLI
04:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #26321: Adjust `.tx/config` for new Transifex CLI (master...221015-tx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26321
05:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to 24.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/032ceb189acd...bb5bcf32baeb
05:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/24.x d216d71 fanquake: Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite package if it is available"
05:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/24.x bb5bcf3 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26327: [24.x] Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite p...
05:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #26327: [24.x] Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite package if it is available" (24.x...revert_slow_macos_sqlite) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26327
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06:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #26332: [24.x] Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite package if it is available" (master...revert_slow_macos_sqlite_23_x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26332
06:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #26332: [24.x] Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite package if it is available" (master...revert_slow_macos_sqlite_23_x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26332
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08:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #26334: Add Signet launch shortcut for Windows (master...2022/10/windows-signet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26334
08:14 < instagibbs> #proposedmeetingtopic defer fullrbf for 24.0(or not) #26323
08:14 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26323 | Make full RBF default, but defer mainnet enablement by ajtowns · Pull Request #26323 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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09:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #26335: Guix documentation improvements (master...2022/10/guix-doc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26335
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10:38 < luke-jr> instagibbs: aka add DRM/malware
10:38 < halosghost> luke-jr: ?
10:47 < instagibbs> halosghost, I suspect he is saying removing user options is bad, in unartful language. Disagreement is why I'm proposing the topic.
10:48 < halosghost> instagibbs: I appreciate the interpretation; not sure I would have gotten from “add DRM/malware” to “removing a user feature” on my own.
10:49 < instagibbs> I think DRM would be like "you can't run your node how you like, for possibly paternalistic reasons that have nothing to do with your node safety"
10:49 < instagibbs> Anyhow, looking forward for progress, hoping we can agree on MVP to move on from the subject :)
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11:01 < halosghost> 🤷
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13:52 < luke-jr> instagibbs: I'm saying artificially disregarding a supported user option until a certain timestamp is DRM
13:53 < luke-jr> it's fundamentally the same thing as forced ads, or playback regions
13:53 < sipa> I think the word you're looking for is "anti feature" (something which the user would not want/expect, and is more work than not implementing it).
13:54 < halosghost> ^
13:54 < sipa> DRM is an example of an anti-feature, but seems pretty unrelated.
13:55 < halosghost> region locking is both an anti-feature, and DRM; but most of the things listed so far don't hit me as DRM
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13:55 < halosghost> sipa: beat me to it ☺
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13:56 < luke-jr> I don't see how it _isn't_ DRM. It's clearly restricting access to a feature.
13:56 < Earnestly> "Artificially limiting a feature until such a time as the owners feel access is allowed isn't related to DRM"
13:57 < sipa> Eh, I interpret DRM to be specific to technology to enforce copyright (what rights does the R stand for otherwise?). But that's turning into a semantics discussion.
13:57 < luke-jr> Earnestly: no, it's ignoring the owner's request
13:58 < Earnestly> luke-jr: owners here are those who own bitcoin-core, not the node operator
13:59 < luke-jr> the node operator owns the node
13:59 < luke-jr> software/information is not owned, and copyrights are not rights
13:59 < Earnestly> I hoped the quotes would have helped but nevermind
13:59 < instagibbs> luke-jr doesn't like options being removed, the metaphor given doesnt matter so much
14:00 < halosghost> this ^
14:00 < luke-jr> instagibbs: the option isn't being removed; it's being restricted
14:00 < Earnestly> This doesn't seem like an option being removed, it's about freedom to do certain things
14:00 < sipa> I agree that's something else.
14:00 < sipa> I find it weird to provide an option but then ignoring it until a certain time passes.
14:01 < luke-jr> while I disagree with the previous state of not having an option also, it is fundamentally different from having an option, and refusing to allow the user to use it
14:01 < Earnestly> Is there some concern about operators not having support for fullrbf enabled and this causing problems?  If so that does seem odd as full rbf has been available for a long time
14:02 < sipa> This discussion probably belongs on the ML or PR, if we're going to into more than just commenting on semantics.
14:02 < luke-jr> Earnestly: it's a principle thing IMO
14:03 < Earnestly> Seems like the argument is then: enable + delay vs. enable + no-delay
14:03 < luke-jr> Earnestly: there are lots of other options
14:03 < luke-jr> eg, right now it is simply disabled, with no delay to enable
14:04 < Earnestly> Ah, then it might make sense to enumerate them for the ML/PR
14:04 < luke-jr> another possibility would be to have the default time-dependent
14:04 < luke-jr> (but still honour the user decision)
14:04 < instagibbs> If you haven't seen an enumeration listed, PR/dev list is right spot. I was hoping to recap on Thursday
14:05 < sipa> luke-jr: I like that idea. Will comment on PR.
14:05 < instagibbs> sipa, fwiw that was my suggestion. punt another 6 months, always honor explicit choice
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15:29 < bitcoin-git> [gui] jonatack opened pull request #676: gui: update peers window "Transaction Relay" label and tooltip (master...update-peers-transaction-relay-label-and-tooltip) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/676
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16:23 < ariard> instagibbs: thanks for bookmarking the full-rbf topic for upcoming meeting :)
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