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00:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #26372: build, msvc: Drop no longer required macro definitions for leveldb (master...221023-msvc-cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26372
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06:22 < jamesob> It seems like we do ping/pong cycle at the completion of connection negotiation with each peer... is this a formal part of the protocol or just coincidental?
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06:30 < sipa> ping was part of the original codebase, pong was added in bip31
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06:31 < jamesob> I guess to put a finer point on the question: is it a reasonable expectation that we will always "ping/pong" shortly after the establishment of a new p2p connection?
06:32 < sipa> unfortunately, specifications aren't helpful for determining that
06:33 < jamesob> I'd be happy with a "de facto, based on the implementation" answer, but the code makes that kind of tricky to figure out
06:33 < sipa> i suspect bitcoin core has always done this, but other implementations may or may not have relied on the assumption that it always is
06:34 < sipa> especially with ping existing since satoshi times, it's all about expectations, not specifications
06:35 < jamesob> heh
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06:36 < sipa> and there are significant disagreements about what various people/inplementators think the protocol is
06:36 < sipa> (see recent ml discussion)
06:36 < jamesob> for anyone playing at home, this is in fact the case per Core implementation based on the fact that `peer.m_ping_start` is initialized to 0 and subsequently only set in this one function (https://github.com/jamesob/bitcoin/blob/447f50e4aed9a8b1d80e1891cda85801aeb80b4e/src/net_processing.cpp#L5023), which is invoked at the beginning of every
06:36 < jamesob> SendMessages call
06:37 < jamesob> sipa: ml?? nobody goes there anymore, too crowded
06:38 < sipa> haha
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07:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #26373: Update minisketch subtree to latest upstream (master...221023-ms-subtree) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26373
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10:15 < jeremyrubin> jamesob afaict ping interval is 2 mins, so "shortly thereafter" seems to be false? 
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12:59 < sipa> @jeremyrubin The last sent timer is initliazed to 0, so the first SendMessages run would conclude it's been more than 2 minutes, and thus immediately send one.
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13:33 < sipa> I think that's what  @jamesob is saying
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16:29 < ariard> that type of PR: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25434#issuecomment-1288227190 blocked on lot of context across layers, let me think that it could be interesting to have a board/wiki page on "Mempool" subjects and to know if progress is blocked on the mailing list/meeting discussions/conceptual code review/lack of review bandwidth etc
16:29 < ariard> i believe we used to have one; dunno if still maintained would be valuable to allocate review time efficiently
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18:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Md-Shamim-Ahmmed opened pull request #26374: Update banman.cpp (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26374
18:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #26374: Update banman.cpp (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26374
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19:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6d4048468430...50cc8ef5a72b
19:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa51cc9 MacroFake: refactor: Use type-safe time point for CWallet::m_next_resend
19:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 50cc8ef fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26302: refactor: Use type-safe time point for CWalle...
19:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #26302: refactor: Use type-safe time point for CWallet::m_next_resend (master...2210-wallet-time-🤗) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26302
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20:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] andrewtoth opened pull request #26375: validation, zmq: pass block in UpdatedBlockTip to avoid duplicate read (master...no-read-zmq) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26375
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21:09 < jeremyrubin> ah i see
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21:10 < jeremyrubin> jamesob given that timeout interval is 20 minutes and ping is 2 minutes, i don't think at least core to core you'd get a disconnect by not pinging immediately?
21:13 < sipa> bitcoin core doesn't require the peer to ping ever, at all
21:15 < sipa> the question is whether "ping immediately after connection" is part of "the protocol", but since the latter has no formal specification, and is just defined by what actual software does, now and historically, that's hard to define
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