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03:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dergoegge opened pull request #26387: doc: Fixup TryLowWorkHeadersSync comment (#26355 follow-up) (master...2022-10-tlwhs-doc-fixup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26387
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03:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #26388: ci: Use macos-ventura-xcode:14.1 image for "macOS native" task (master...221025-ventura) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26388
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04:27 < glozow> My understanding of the full RBF discussion so far https://github.com/glozow/bitcoin-notes/blob/full-rbf/full-rbf.md
04:27 < glozow> If somebody could help get in touch with miners it would be really nice to hear what their plans are and/or what a reasonable timeline could be. It's the biggest missing piece of information for me, but I don't think we can speculate whether/when they'll do something because it's rational or because a Bitcoin Core option makes it easy.
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04:34 < real_or_random> I got a spam email from a project called "Committable"... I assume I'm not the only one because it seems they scraped email addresses from git repos of cryptocurrency projects. I reported them to GitHub support...
04:38 < darosior> glozow: thank you for the summary that's helpful
04:38 < glozow> real_or_random: I got one too
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04:40 < darosior> real_or_random: got one too. I occasionally got some asking to fill a survey
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04:41 < real_or_random> I replied with a GPDR data erasure request but that's probably useless *shrug*. There seems to be some academic researcher behind this, and there's a survey involved but it's obviously not research: "Committable is the next-generation decentralised open-source protocol initiated by University College Oxford Blockchain Research Centre, aiming at establishing an open economy to enable algorithmic software monetisation 
04:41 < real_or_random> (e.g., from a commit to the native COMMIT non-fungible token"
04:43 < real_or_random> Anyway, I'm not planning to spend any more time on this. I just wanted to let you know that I already reported it to GitHub (ticket #1846866), in case someone else feels they want to do this.
04:43 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1846866 | HTTP Error 404: Not Found
04:43 < real_or_random> lol
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05:00 < darosior> "Zeroconf really isn't safe; double spends are possible today." -> More than that, double spends are possible today without aggressively connecting all around the network (which is what those businesses supposedly do to "protect" themselves). I suspect it's just that they are not getting attacked (or attempts are really not sophisticated, as with
05:00 < darosior> the Muun recovery tool) and if someone bothered being as aggressive as their are with their "defence" mechanism they'd just be able to double spend them.
05:00 < darosior> "businesses are using precautions such as requiring high feerates and waiting to detect raced conflicting transactions in other (sometimes many) mempools" -> Have they even stated what "protection" they are using? It seems a lot of the arguments are based on the existence of some solutions that would be very effective today and full-RBF would
05:00 < darosior> break. I don't think we should take that for granted, who says their solution isn't broken today? To consider these arguments we should probably start by examining the viability of these solutions..
05:00 < darosior> "Peter Todd reports that he has observed replacements of non-signaling transactions using opentimestamps" -> If this can add weight, i've been reported that at least part of the hashrate has been accepting non-signaling replacements for more than a year (since non-signaling replacements do get mined eventually). And that a very active (>1M
05:00 < darosior> transactions passed through it) and long-running Electrum server has been running with a non-signaling replacement patch for a long time. Users of this server were able to replace non-signaling transactions and get them mined with very low effort (not necessary to spam the network at all, just broadcast through the server and wait for a bit).
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05:39 < glozow> darosior: do you have links to observations/reports of these non-signaling replacements maybe? it would be useful to add them.
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05:41 < glozow> e.g. who is the electrum server?
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05:47 < darosior> I'm not sure they'd be willing that i disclose that
05:49 < glozow> yeah fair enough. I just don't really want to put in the doc "somebody told me that somebody said this" if that makes sense
05:50 < darosior> I understand
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06:18 < instagibbs> darosior, if you could run your own tests without doxxing it, that would be more reportable?
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07:57 < luke-jr> shouldn't #26282 be backported to 24.x?
07:57 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26282 | wallet: have prune error take precedence over assumedvalid by jamesob · Pull Request #26282 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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