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01:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/52ddbd52f980...5a80086ec2c1
01:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1c07500 brunoerg: contrib: make DNS seeds file an argument in CLI
01:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5a80086 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26701: contrib: make DNS seeds file an argument in C...
01:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #26701: contrib: make DNS seeds file an argument in CLI (`makeseeds`) (master...2022-12-seeds-improv) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26701
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01:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #27054: Remove laanwj from trusted-keys (master...remove-laanwj-key) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27054
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02:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5a80086ec2c1...6e08e5cb5cca
02:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8a6219e Hennadii Stepanov: Remove `-sysperms` option
02:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 581f16e Hennadii Stepanov: Apply default umask in `SetupEnvironment()`
02:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c9ba4f9 Hennadii Stepanov: test: Add test for file system permissions
02:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #26088: init: Add option for rpccookie permissions (master...2022-09-rpccookie-perms) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26088
02:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #17127: util: Set safe permissions for data directory and `wallets/` subdir (master...20191013-permissions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17127
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03:07 < hebasto> #proposedmeetingtopic No longer consider Ubuntu Bionic as a supported build platform
03:08 < hebasto> ^ see related details in https://gist.github.com/hebasto/19dc0741bf77e6f7d458f1711a8efb72
03:13 < _aj_> hebasto: after april, it enters "extended security maintenance" which means security and other updates are only available to "ubuntu pro" (or "advantage") subscribers; that seems "end of life" for our purposes...?
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03:37 < hebasto> _aj_: indeed
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03:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6e08e5cb5cca...ab5b26f072a2
03:59 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6ebe576 Hennadii Stepanov: build: Make dependency package archive timestamps deterministic
03:59 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ab5b26f fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#21995: build: Make dependency package archive timest...
03:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #21995: build: Make dependency package archive timestamps deterministic (master...210519-repro) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21995
04:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ab5b26f072a2...fe86616bb4ad
04:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1914e47 fanquake: build: copy config.{guess,sub} post autogen in zmq package
04:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fe86616 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26421: build: copy config.{guess,sub} post autogen i...
04:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #26421: build: copy config.{guess,sub} post autogen in zmq package (master...fix_macos_zeromq_older_ubuntu) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26421
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05:02 < MacroFake> hebasto: sgtm. Anyone on Bionic can still compile it with a modern build system and run it on Bionic
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06:11 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto closed pull request #655: Persist "mask values" in gui (master...jadi-issue652-persist-mask) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/655
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07:34 < provoostenator>  How is --m_dir M_DIR of fuzz/test_runner.py supposed to be used? 'Merge inputs from this directory into the corpus_dir.' 
07:37 < MacroFake> provoostenator: I think you can specify any directories that should be merged. Like --m_dir /tmp/gen_a --m_dir /tmp/gen_b  /into/your/corpora/dir
07:37 < provoostenator> Should it be set to wherever src/test/fuzz/fuzz puts new corpus entries?
07:38 < MacroFake> oh, it is supposed to merge stuff from fuzz farms, that run all fuzz tests.
07:38 < MacroFake> If you only want to merge one target you can just use libfuzzer direclty
07:38 < provoostenator> Ok, so just ignore fuzz/test_runner.py then?
07:38 < MacroFake> yeah
07:38 < provoostenator> It's a bit confusing, because the QA pull request template points to it.
07:39 < MacroFake> oh
07:39 < MacroFake> "pulls welcome" 
07:39 < provoostenator> And the explanation around what merging does is a bit sparse.
07:39 < MacroFake> yeah, could link to libfuzzer docs or google/fuzzing docs, or so?
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07:41 < MacroFake> hebasto: I wonder if the cmake stuff can be split out for just the tests (fuzz, unit, bench, etc) and continue to compile bitcoind with the existing makefile for one release
07:41 < MacroFake> (Not sure if it makes sense or if it is even possible)
07:42 < provoostenator> It would be easier if the quickstart example used it.
07:42 < MacroFake> provoostenator: Pulls also welcome for that :)
07:43 < provoostenator> Yeah, but can't make those until I understand what I'm doing.
07:43 < hebasto> MacroFake: CMake-based and Autotools-based systems can co-exist for one release
07:44 < MacroFake> but you'd have to compile all (intermediate) libraries twice?
07:45 < hebasto> right; mind elaborating your initial question then?
07:45 < MacroFake> I am asking because I want to get rid of boost test. It seems really archaic with basically no nice features, and ctest might give some.
07:46 < MacroFake> Or what is a modern, nice, and simple unit test framwork these days?
07:47 < MacroFake> Even if the only new feature is a summary at the end, showing the duration of each  unit test
07:49 < vasild> Personally, I would choose ctest over boost test for a new project and would be happy to see us switch, but I am not sure whether we use some boost-specific stuff or how much effort is it to do the switch.
07:50 < hebasto> for now, my branch re-uses boost (no unit tests code touched), and uses CTest as a driver
07:50 < real_or_random> I was looking into this for secp256k1 recently but the requirements are somewhat different. We really need something that works with pure C89 and is minimalistic. But there are a bunch of nice C(++) unit test frameworks out there, with different degrees of simplicity vs features
07:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/fe86616bb4ad...1bcabe6f2ac8
07:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faff2ba MarcoFalke: Remove reindex special case from the progress bar label
07:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1bcabe6 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#697: Remove reindex special case from the progress ...
07:51 < bitcoin-git> [gui] MarcoFalke merged pull request #697: Remove reindex special case from the progress bar label (master...2301-gui-reindex-👖) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/697
07:52 < real_or_random> https://github.com/Snaipe/Criterion looks awesome for example, though that one tends to be more on the side of more features
07:53 < real_or_random> https://nemequ.github.io/munit/#faq has a nice list but I think this is still all focused on C. I can imagine that there are much more choices if you don't need C support but only C++
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08:09 < fanquake> Please don't give us two build systems to maintain at the same time
08:10 < fanquake> The switchover is going to be bad enough, without some weird interim period of having two
08:14 < MacroFake> fanquake: Will it? The makefile won't have to be touched because cmake is added. So the overhead should be ~0, unless one adds a new file or removes one, which seems rare enough.
08:15 < MacroFake> The alternative is that the makefile is removed right away and there is no fallback for users that run into issues
08:15 < MacroFake> real_or_random: Thanks, will take a look at your list
08:15 < fanquake> MarcroFake: I'm not sure what you mean by "the makefile"
08:16 < fanquake> I don't see any benefit to maintaining multiple build systems. If we want to switch to cmake, we should just switch, dropping autotools entirely, after the 25.x branch off.
08:19 < fanquake> It's nice that we are finding more reasons to make the switch. As the current list (from the description in 25797) which is essentially of "better for the gui" and "better for windows", are incredibly weak reasons to break all downstream infra, build scripts, CI, oss-fuzz type integrations, etc etc. Especially when all those users don't care at all about Windows or the GUI.
08:20 < fanquake> Reasoning like, "it's faster", "a new test driver" or "improved clang-tooling integration" are the things we should really be caring about.
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08:41 < jonatack1> provoostenator: if you have fuzz builds and fuzzers working on ARM64 macOS Ventura, could you update the macOS section of fuzzing.md? The path looks out of date, and at first try I had issues with the fuzz build 
08:42 < provoostenator> My Linux box is faster now :-)
08:43 < jonatack1> Ah ;)
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08:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #27056: doc: use arch agnostic clang path in fuzzing doc (macOS) (master...macos_fuzzing_doc_arch_agnostic) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27056
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08:57 < fanquake> Builds still actually fail on arm64 macOS due to a different issue, but the doc now works for either
09:04 < vasild> What if the automake+cmake interim state is never released? I.e. - release 25, add cmake, interim period where people can try cmake and fall back to automake and cmake stuff gets more testing and improvements, polishing, etc, remove automake, release 26
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09:09 < vasild> What is the maintenance burden actually? If files are added, removed, renamed, if CXX flags are changed, then that would have to be done in both autotools and cmake. Maybe more?
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09:17 < fanquake> People should probably start doing their trying of Cmake before we merge it.
09:17 < fanquake> We're already going to have to maintain both, in some sense, because there are a number of years where the previous release branches (and thus the previous build system) are still supported, after any switchover. Prolonging that by then supporting both for some time turns a multi-year deprecation, into a many-year deprecation.
09:23 < fanquake> How fun is it going to be backporting changes from cmake land to autotools land 🤔
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09:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #27057: build: set boost cppflags with --enable-fuzz (master...still_set_boost_cppflags_when_enable_fuzz) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27057
09:44 < fanquake> Thise also dont have to be adding/removing files type changes (more rare). Things like adding compile flags/options to work around bugs in compilers would also have to be tested and backported into both.
09:45 < jonatack1> fanquake: thanks for the fixes, testing
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10:59 < pinheadmz> i followed the build-windows.md guide in WSL in "Windows 10 Home" but had to manually install libboost-dev and libevent-dev... should those be added to the doc? Or am I maybe missing something?
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11:04 < jamesob> glozow instagibbs: in v3-land, package replacement is going to be evaluated on the basis package feerate (as well as other RBF criteria), right? i.e. a replacement parent with same feerate but higher aggregate feerate (when including child) will work?
11:04 < jamesob> *on the basis of
11:04 < hebasto> pinheadmz: it is supposed you are cross-compiling using mingw, so boost and libevent will be compiled as dependencies
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11:05 < instagibbs> jamesob, you're saying the parent is doublespent, and asking how that is evaluated?
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11:10 < jamesob> instagibbs: yeah. specific case is you initially broadcast the parent without an ephemeral anchor, but then decide after the fact that you want to do an EA and raise feerate via CPFP - is that workable?
11:11 < instagibbs> ah, situation clear. So the replacement would be considered in the package context, replacing package feerate compared against the existing parent in mempool
11:11 < instagibbs> as well as other rules ala bip125 rule#3
11:11 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3 | Encrypt wallet · Issue #3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:11 < jamesob> okay, so that would be workable - as long as you're clearing the original fee of the package being displaced
11:11 < jamesob> (+ other RBF rules)
11:12 < instagibbs> if you can reliably RBF you may not need EA
11:12 < instagibbs> anything presigned, or key access is limited for whatever reason
11:13 < jamesob> right, so the quiet part now said out loud of my example is if you have an unauthenticated spend that is being crafted by an attacker, can you retroactively decide to attach an EA
11:14 < instagibbs> sure, but if you don't have "veto power" over all inputs, the parent tx could become arbitrarily large via attacker
11:14 < instagibbs> (up to package limits not arbitrary)
11:15 < jamesob> right
11:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #27058: contrib: Improve verify-commits.py to work with maintainers leaving (master...improve-verify-commits) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27058
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18:22 < _aj_> how long does a guix build take for other people?
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18:52 < sipa> Usually a few hours on my 16-core machine, though I haven't benchmarked.
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20:02 < achow101> depends on how many dependencies need to be built. as little as 20 minutes, and as long as overnight
20:04 < _aj_> 20 minutes?!?!? wow. for all archs?
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22:52 < fanquake> if all Guix profiles, and depends are already built, probably < 45 minutes for all hosts
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