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01:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1258af40c0d3...cb25c21921c7
01:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e846269 Andrew Chow: util: Remove duplicate include
01:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cb25c21 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27151: util: Remove duplicate include
01:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #27151: util: Remove duplicate include (master...2023-02-rm-extra-include) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27151
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02:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #27153: guix: pass `--enable-initfini-array` to release GCC (master...guix_gcc_init_fini_array) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27153
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02:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cb25c21921c7...6758bd7de75d
02:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fab17f0 MarcoFalke: Revert "[contrib] verify-commits: Add MarcoFalke fingerprint"
02:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6758bd7 glozow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27135: Remove MarcoFalke fingerprint, update trusted...
02:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #27135: Remove MarcoFalke fingerprint, update trusted-git-root (master...2302-revert-a-commit-🌻) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27135
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04:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #27154: doc: mention sanitizer suppressions in developer docs (master...sanitizers_dev_notes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27154
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05:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6758bd7de75d...be2e748f378f
05:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 84ca5b3 fanquake: doc: mention sanitizer suppressions in developer docs
05:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master be2e748 glozow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27154: doc: mention sanitizer suppressions in develo...
05:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #27154: doc: mention sanitizer suppressions in developer docs (master...sanitizers_dev_notes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27154
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07:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #27155: Expand scantxoutset help text to cover tr() and miniscript (master...scantxoutset_tr_ms) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27155
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11:01 < achow101> #startmeeting
11:01 <@core-meetingbot> Meeting started Fri Feb 24 19:01:16 2023 UTC.  The chair is achow101. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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11:01 < achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa theStack vasild
11:01 < S3RK> hi
11:01 < instagibbs> hi
11:01 < furszy> hi
11:02 < achow101> there is one preproposed wallet meeting topic this week
11:02 < achow101> any others to add to the list?
11:02 < achow101> #topic blank wallet flag, how to differentiate blank and newly created wallets (S3RK)
11:02 <@core-meetingbot> topic: blank wallet flag, how to differentiate blank and newly created wallets (S3RK)
11:03 < S3RK> yep, so that's about #25634
11:03 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25634 | wallet, tests: Expand and test when the blank wallet flag should be un/set by achow101 · Pull Request #25634 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:03 < provoostenator> Hi
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11:04 < provoostenator> Also about wallets with a seed but no descriptors?
11:04 < S3RK> We want to be able to tell apart when user wants a wallet without descriptors to import stuff manually and just newly created wallet 
11:04 < provoostenator> (Which is useful when setting up multisig)
11:04 < S3RK> so that's a third case I guess
11:04 < achow101> also blank is used for born encrypted wallets
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11:05 < S3RK> achow101 can you expand on that. Why the flag is required in that case?
11:06 < achow101> we use it to skip the normal setup stuff for new wallets so that the caller of CWallet::Create can encrypt the wallet and then generate the new descriptors
11:06 < provoostenator> Sounds like that can be avoided with a lock during creation though, as far as the external interface is concerned.
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11:07 < achow101> it's basically just the steps of 'createwallet blank=true' then 'encryptwallet'
11:07 < provoostenator> Oh ok, manually
11:07 < achow101> those are the manual steps, which we are just doing internally
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11:08 < S3RK> I think permanent flag is not needed in this caes
11:08 < S3RK> and it could be solved by passing some params
11:08 < provoostenator> I guess it doesn't matter to me if a wallet without descriptors is considered blank or not.
11:08 < provoostenator> As long as it work.
11:08 < provoostenator> s
11:09 < provoostenator> * a wallet with private keys but without descriptors
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11:09 < achow101> the problem is that our wallet creation and loading code is the same
11:09 < S3RK> we want to know if the wallet descriptors shoudl be manually managed by the user or automatically by the wallet software
11:09 < S3RK> and blank flag is the closest we have today
11:09 < achow101> so we could load a blank wallet and think it's a newly created one, that's why the blank flag was added
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11:10 < provoostenator> What is there to "manage" other than at creation time to add the descriptors?
11:10 < achow101> whether to add descriptor when encrypting
11:10 < S3RK> besides thatn we have rotation on encryption
11:11 < furszy> IIRC, we mostly need the blank flag for backward compatibility
11:11 < provoostenator> Ah
11:11 < furszy> moving forward, we could adapt the code so the load flow isn't the same as the creation one
11:12 < provoostenator> Well, if there's a (helper) method to create a fresh wallet that is encrypted, that method could take care of making sure there are descriptors.
11:13 < provoostenator> Perhaps depending on whether the user set the blank flag upon creation, though that slightly shifts the meaning of that flag.
11:13 < achow101> we should probably use a different flag to indicate "this wallet should only have manually set things"
11:13 < provoostenator> createwallet blank=true encrypted=true would then mean we want a key but no descriptors.
11:14 < S3RK> achow101: agree
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11:14 < S3RK> will "manual" wallet have a seed an it? allow to import a seed?
11:14 < provoostenator> Though then we can't have a user request an encrypted wallet with no keys. So maybe it does need a new argument.
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11:15 < achow101> S3RK: if a manual wallet did sethdseed, I think so
11:16 < achow101> but we shouldn't then auto generate things, they would have to use createwalletdescriptor (or whatever I named that rpc)
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11:16 < achow101> and I'm not sure if that can be supported with legacy wallets
11:17 < S3RK> so it'll look very similar to "automatic" wallet with one exception of not rotating keys on encryption. Is that correct?
11:17 < achow101> yes
11:17 < S3RK> yeah, I'm talking descriptors only for now
11:18 < S3RK> can we also deprecate blank wallet flag then? We can set it for all wallets for compatiblity reasons, but ignore it in master
11:18 < achow101> maybe
11:19 < achow101> we'll probably need to revisit the creation code
11:19 < achow101> we used to create a new wallet if one specified in -wallet did not already exist
11:19 < achow101> which is why the loading and creation stuff is tied together
11:20 < S3RK> got it. I think we can support that use case without having it in one function
11:20 < achow101> if we get rid of that behavior (which IIRC we have mostly, but something was kept for backwards compatibility), then it shouldn't be an issue
11:21 < S3RK> we can also just do this:  if (!wallet) { create(); } load();
11:21 < achow101> well right now load has to happen before create because pointer invalidation
11:21 < achow101> we'd have to be careful there.
11:22 < achow101> there's a benchmark that does it in the wrong order, and some changes cause it to segfault
11:22 < S3RK> ok. I'll need to think more about this. Thanks for the food for thoughts.
11:23 < achow101> any other topics?
11:23 < S3RK> do we support sethdseed for blank descriptors wallet today?
11:23 < achow101> no
11:23 < S3RK> (not a topic, random question)
11:24 < achow101> #endmeeting
11:24 <@core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
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11:24 <@core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2023/bitcoin-core-dev.2023-02-24-19.01.moin.txt
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12:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mzumsande opened pull request #27157:  25574 followups (VerifyDB error handling) (master...202302_verifydb_followup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27157
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