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02:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ff7d2054c4f1...f47cd649e970
02:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c3a5e8a Cory Fields: build: re-enable deprecated warning copy
02:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f47cd64 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#30236: build: re-enable deprecated warning copy
02:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #30236: build: re-enable deprecated warning copy (master...reenable-deprecated-copy) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30236
02:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f47cd649e970...1040a1fc807e
02:59 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 232928b fanquake: build: no-longer allow GCC-10 in C++20 check
02:59 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1040a1f merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#30228: build: no-longer allow GCC-10 in C++20 check
02:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #30228: build: no-longer allow GCC-10 in C++20 check (master...no_longer_allow_gcc_10) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30228
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04:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] AngusP opened pull request #30237: test: Add Compact Block Encoding test `ReceiveWithExtraTransactions` covering non-empty `extra_txn` (master...2024-06-cmpctblk-extra-txn-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30237
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05:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow closed pull request #27591: rpc: distinguish between vsize and sigop-adjusted mempool vsize (master...2023-05-mempool-vsize) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27591
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07:00 < achow101> #startmeeting
07:00 < sdaftuar> hi
07:00 < glozow> hi
07:00 < achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa sr_gi theStack TheCharlatan vasild
07:00 < josie> hi
07:00 < furszy> hi
07:00 < darosior> Hi
07:00 < instagibbs> hi
07:00 < TheCharlatan> hi
07:00 < hebasto> hi
07:00 < maxedw> hi
07:00 < laanwj> hii
07:00 < brunoerg> hi
07:00 < cfields> hi
07:00 < _aj_> hi
07:00 < achow101> There is one preproposed meeting topic this week. Any last minute ones to add?
07:01 < achow101> #topic package relay updates (glozow)
07:01 < dergoegge> hi
07:01 < pinheadmz> hi
07:01 < glozow> Nothing new this week - #28984 is still the priority. My main focus this week will be reviewing that. I think we are aiming for #29496 and #28984 for 28.0.
07:01 < glozow> On the p2p side, I just rebased #30111 which is the main PR to review.
07:01 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28984 | Cluster size 2 package rbf by instagibbs · Pull Request #28984 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:01 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29496 | policy: bump TX_MAX_STANDARD_VERSION to 3 by glozow · Pull Request #29496 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:01 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28984 | Cluster size 2 package rbf by instagibbs · Pull Request #28984 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:01 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/30111 | locks: introduce mutex for tx download, flush rejection filters on UpdatedBlockTip by glozow · Pull Request #30111 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:01 < glozow> That's all from me
07:02 < willcl-ark> hi
07:02 < achow101> #topic cluster mempool updates (sdaftuar)
07:03 < sipa> Unsure if Suhas is around.
07:03 < sdaftuar> not too much from me this week either. i've rebased #28676 (on master) to try to get that code current again, and i'm planning to further get branches of that code built on sipa's cluster linearization branch (#30126) and the cluster size 2 package rbf PR
07:03 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28676 | [WIP] Cluster mempool implementation by sdaftuar · Pull Request #28676 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:03 < sdaftuar> just to verify that everything works
07:03 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/30126 | Low-level cluster linearization code by sipa · Pull Request #30126 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:03 < instagibbs> 🙏 thanks
07:03 < sdaftuar> sipa -- anything to add on your PR? (that's the one to review right now)
07:04 < sipa> Not really, I've updated my low-level linearization code PR to include post-linearization and merging, which is all that I intend to implement at that "layer".
07:04 < sipa> Based on review, it may mean splitting some parts off.
07:04 < glozow> iiuc we're currently reviewing #30160 and #30161 to get those bits out of the way?
07:04 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/30160 | util: add BitSet by sipa · Pull Request #30160 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:04 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/30161 | util: add VecDeque by sipa · Pull Request #30161 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:05 < instagibbs> I think splitting will be necessary but haven't spent enough time on it to know how, focusing on those 2 prs first
07:05 < jon_atack> hi
07:05 < sipa> Indeed, those are direct dependencies, though I think it's reasonable to look at the algorithmic parts of #30126 already if you don't care that much about the data structures involved.
07:05 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/30126 | Low-level cluster linearization code by sipa · Pull Request #30126 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:05 < tdb3_> hi
07:06 < glozow> makes sense
07:06 < Murch[m]> hi
07:07 < sipa> My next plan is to start helping with integration into sdaftuar's PR so we can get the TxGraph abstraction to get an implementation using these algorithms
07:07 < sipa> But that won't change what's next for review.
07:07 < sipa> That's it from me, I think.
07:08 < achow101> #topic legacy wallet removal updates (achow101)
07:08 < abubakarsadiq> hi
07:08 < achow101> #26596 has been getting some review. It's still the priority pr.
07:08 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26596 | wallet: Migrate legacy wallets to descriptor wallets without requiring BDB by achow101 · Pull Request #26596 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:09 < achow101> There's also one more item in the roadmap for 28.0 that isn't started yet: GUI: Migrate wallets that are not loaded
07:09 < achow101> will be looking at doing that soon, unless someone else wants to do it
07:10 < achow101> #topic Ad-hoc high priority for review
07:10 < achow101> Anything to add or remove from https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin/projects/1/views/4
07:12 < achow101> #topic vulnerability disclosure policy (darosior)
07:13 < darosior> Alright, so as you know we discussed better tracking and disclosing security bugs at the last two coredevs. About three months ago i also updated people during this meeting on Niklas and i writing about historical reports which were never disclosed. After the last coredev a few of us (dergoegge, sipa, _aj_, fanquake, achow101 and i) had a couple
07:13 < darosior> calls to discuss what could be a good disclosure policy for the project. We came up with a plan and a disclosure policy we are content starting with. To avoid a large wall of text here i've made it into a gist: https://gist.github.com/darosior/eb71638f20968f0dc896c4261a127be6.
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07:13 < darosior> We'd like to seek feedback from everyone here. Keep in mind this is not set in stone, the policy may be improved or updated in the future. This is just a reasonable starting point which improves over the current situation. I can also give a TL;DR here to kick off discussions.
07:15 < sipa> i think a tl;dr is useful
07:16 < achow101> I guess more specific feedback can be also be left on the gist outside of the meeting?
07:16 < darosior> TL;DR:
07:16 < darosior> - disclose low severity bugs when a fix is released, after a pre-announcement period of 2 weeks.
07:16 < darosior> - disclose higher severity bugs once all affected versions are EOL, after a pre-announcement period of 2 weeks.
07:16 < darosior> - the plan is to gradually phase-in this policy by first disclosing all the historical reports (up to version 0.21.x). Then we do one version per month. In July all which was fixed in 22.x. In August, 23.x. Etc..
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07:16 < darosior> Up until we run out of EOL releases to disclose security bugs for
07:17 < sdaftuar> Seems resonable to me on first glance -- thanks for working on this
07:17 < glozow> +1 thanks for working on this
07:17 < achow101> also the critical bugs that affect the entire network (e.g. inflation bug) will be handled on an ad-hoc basis
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07:17 < instagibbs> +1
07:17 < darosior> achow101: yes if people need more time to think about it feel free to comment on the gist. Since we've got no other topics i'm also fine waiting a couple minutes here for people to read through it.
07:18 < sipa> And just to highlight what the goal is here: we'd like to improve the public's perception about some of the work that is not always very visible, and the fact that there definitely are reasons to upgrade (even to backport releases)
07:18 < darosior> The next step would be to put up a blog post at bitcoincore.org with the historical bugs, and publish that on the ML at the same time as a request for feedback on our policy.
07:20 < darosior> Yes, and having a proper policy in place could also potentially incentivize security researchers to look at our stuff
07:20 < sipa> right
07:20 < josie> overall, looks great and glad to see this moving forward. regarding high severity disclosures, do we currently send announcements for releases reaching EOL? if we will be disclosing bugs 2 weeks after EOL, maybe we also make general announcements to remind people which releases will be EOL by the next release?
07:20 < josie> (maybe we already do this?)
07:20 < darosior> Also it's just useful to us as a group to learn from what past bugs were vulnerabilities, and how to try and prevent them moving forward
07:20 < achow101> josie: we don't currently. the plan would mean that we will
07:21 < pinheadmz> darosior great writeup, good plan and +1 on blog posts, looking forward to reading those myself!
07:21 < josie> cool, i think thats important, otherwise the 2 weeks after EOL seems a bit aggressive 
07:21 < sipa> there is also a possibility of pre-announcements like openssl does (on day X we will be disclousing a bug affecting versions Y, of severity Z)
07:21 < darosior> pinheadmz: some are quite nice :)
07:22 < achow101> josie: essentially we will announce eol, and pre-announce that things will be disclosed in 2 weeks
07:22 < instagibbs> don't be afraid to extract maximum publicity for the series of posts/releases
07:22 < TheCharlatan> is there a reason for doing one version per month in this "catch-up" period?
07:22 < darosior> instagibbs: yeah i pinged the optech guys 👍
07:22 < darosior> TheCharlatan: lots of 22.0 still running
07:22 < darosior> Give a chance to people to upgrade
07:23 < achow101> TheCharlatan: we don't want to dump everything on everyone at once since a lot of people are still running eol software. phasing in gives people time to upgrade
07:23 < sipa> or more meta, give people some time to adapt their update processes in function of our process
07:24 < josie> achow101: maybe we are saying the same thing, but what im suggesting is "release X is out, also as a reminder Y and Z will be EOL in the next release (~ 6 months)" and then in 6 months "hey remember those EOL releases? we will disclose bugs in 2 weeks"
07:24 < achow101> josie: yeah, basically
07:24 < darosior> josie: yes
07:25 < jon_atack> lgtm. and good point josie. looking forward to reading these.
07:25 < darosior> Cool, thanks for the feedback. I guess that's it then.
07:26 < josie> big thanks to everyone who worked on this!
07:26 < achow101> Any other topics to discuss?
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07:28 < achow101> #endmeeting
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08:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] pinheadmz opened pull request #30238: json-rpc 2.0 followups: docs, tests, cli (master...json2-followup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30238
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10:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #30239: Ephemeral Anchors, take 2 (master...2024-03-general-ephemeral) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30239
10:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs closed pull request #29001: Ephemeral Anchors (master...2023-12-ephemeral-anchors) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29001
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12:02 < cfields> sdaftuar / sipa: I've started working on a boost-less txmempool. So far I have a POC dumb impl that simply hard-codes everything and naively/inefficiently uses std containers.  It works and passes all tests. I'm now looking into doing it properly with custom structures and a bit more template magic. Is #28676 sufficiently far along to give me an idea of what's going to change?
12:03 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28676 | [WIP] Cluster mempool implementation by sdaftuar · Pull Request #28676 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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12:11 < sipa> cfields: probably too early to say, but sdaftuar will know better
12:11 < sipa> we may want something multiindexy inside txgraph too
12:12 < sipa> ah, it already uses one, but the code there is likely to change a lot
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12:15 < cfields> ok, I'll hold off on going any further
12:16 < sipa> is boost multiindex an issue, or something to get rid off, given that it's headers-only anyway?
12:18 < cfields> Imo it depends how much work it is. That's what I'm aiming to find out.
12:26 < sipa> fair enough
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16:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1040a1fc807e...4a020ca443ba
16:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf3cd6 MarcoFalke: test: Normalize struct.pack format
16:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf2a97 MarcoFalke: test: Use int.to_bytes over struct packing
16:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa826db MarcoFalke: scripted-diff: test: Use int.to_bytes over struct packing
16:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #29401: test: Remove struct.pack from almost all places (master...2402-nuke-struct-pack-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29401
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