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01:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow opened pull request #30594: docs: update documentation for new mempoolfullrbf default (master...2024-07-fullrbf-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30594
02:01 < glozow> instagibbs: re "Leaving as draft since there is plenty of other things people should be working on for 28.0 freeze." in #30592, are you suggesting not doing this in 28.0?
02:01 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/30592 | Remove mempoolfullrbf by instagibbs · Pull Request #30592 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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02:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/949b67347255...d928f4c47ff9
02:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 41797f8 fanquake: Squashed 'src/secp256k1/' changes from 4af241b320..642c885b61
02:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 183e2fd fanquake: Update secp256k1 subtree to latest master
02:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9ec776a fanquake: Revert "build: pass --with-ecmult-gen-kb=86 to secp256k1"
02:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #30573: Update libsecp256k1 subtree to latest master (master...secp_0_5_1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30573
02:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheCharlatan opened pull request #30595: kernel: Introduce initial C header API (master...kernelApi) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30595
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02:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] josibake opened pull request #30596: fuzz: replace hardcoded numbers for bech32 limits (master...fix-leftover-hardcoded-bech32-limits) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30596
02:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d928f4c47ff9...43740f4971f4
02:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a0a9a11 fanquake: depends: fix ZMQ CMake getcachesize check
02:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 43740f4 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#30588: depends: fix ZMQ CMake getcachesize check
02:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #30588: depends: fix ZMQ CMake getcachesize check (master...zmq_s390x_missing_fixes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30588
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05:25 < instagibbs> glozow I don't think it's an important change to make for 28.0, personally? Maybe mark the option as deprecated for a cycle?
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05:34 < glozow> instagibbs: I'm thinking that, if we came to the conclusion that mempoolfullrbf=0 is bad enough to change the default, then logically it's also bad enough to at least warn users that try to set it?
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05:36 < glozow> If we think it'd be a footgun then we shouldn't provide it as an option imo? Or do we not think it's not that bad?
05:36 < instagibbs> yeah hence the deprecation warning? that make sense?
05:39 < glozow> warning sounds good
05:39 < sipa> glozow: ignoring whether or not the option makes sense, i think logistically it's wrong to remove an option without deprecation cycle... there may be software/packaging relying on even just the option existing
05:41 < instagibbs> not everything can be supported like this, but this has essentially 0 cost
05:50 < glozow> I think I'm just trying to say that the deprecation should start in 28.0
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06:15 < BlueMatt[m]> has anyone in bitcoin core land ever gotten driller or fuzzolic or some other concolic execution tool working?
06:17 < instagibbs> glozow yes, I agree. I don't know the process for deprecating a startup arg :)
06:18 < Murch[m]> gmaxwell: The coordinated switch in signaling sounds interesting, but I’m not sure a rolling update is that harmful. Especially for those that continue signaling after the update, everyone else switching at the same time might leave them sticking out even more
06:19 < Murch[m]> glozow, instagibbs: I think removing the option completely may dissuade some users from upgrading, it might be better to only update the default and deprecate this release
06:21 < Murch[m]> gmaxwell: If we are worried about full-rbf transactions propagating well by the time the opt-in signaling is turned off by default, maybe we should try to connect to at least one peer whose version is at least v28?
06:23 < instagibbs> I don't see the payoff in trying to solve wallet behavior switching now, and by the time it's decided I suspect propagation will be pretty trivial?
06:23 < instagibbs> I guess I'm saying, this is all post-28.0 talk in my mind
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06:31 < sipa> Murch[m], gmaxwell: it looks (https://txstats.com/d/000000020/replace-by-fee) like close to or over a majority of transactions signal opt-in RBF; it seems like defaulting to on is a better shelling point than trying to default to off?
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07:00 < dergoegge> BlueMatt: I've played around with symcc
07:00 < dergoegge> i think i also tried fuzzolic but don't remember if I actually got it working
07:01 < dergoegge> https://github.com/SoftSec-KAIST/Eclipser has also been used on core before
07:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/43740f4971f4...31a3ff55154b
07:02 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 59c0ece josibake: fuzz: replace hardcoded numbers for bech32 limits
07:02 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 31a3ff5 glozow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#30596: fuzz: replace hardcoded numbers for bech32 li...
07:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #30596: fuzz: replace hardcoded numbers for bech32 limits (master...fix-leftover-hardcoded-bech32-limits) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30596
07:02 < dergoegge> Afaik we've never had big success with any of them in terms of new coverage or bugs found
07:03 < BlueMatt[m]> ah cool, hadn't come across symcc yet
07:03 < BlueMatt[m]> thanks
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08:24 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #30597: doc: Drop no longer needed workaround for WSL (master...240806-wsl-note) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30597
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08:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/31a3ff55154b...870447fd585e
08:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 87b1880 willcl-ark: rpc: clarify ALREADY_IN_CHAIN rpc errors
08:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e9de0a7 willcl-ark: doc: release note for 30212
08:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 870447f Ryan Ofsky: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#30212: rename TransactionError:ALREADY_IN_CHAIN
08:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky merged pull request #30212: rename TransactionError:ALREADY_IN_CHAIN (master...clarify-missing-inputs-err) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30212
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09:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/870447fd585e...d7333ece15b8
09:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 37c9abd fanquake: build: remove check for __attribute__((visibility..
09:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bbcba09 fanquake: build: remove check for __declspec(dllexport)
09:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d7333ec merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#30590: build: Remove unused visibility checks
09:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #30590: build: Remove unused visibility checks (master...remove_unused_visibility) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30590
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09:58 < gmaxwell> sipa: yeah I mentioned above that I thought it was a majority.  The answer I have to that is that it's probably easier to get the ones who've turned it on to turn it off than it is to get the ones that still don't have it on to turn it on? 
10:09 < sipa> gmaxwell: hmm, good question
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12:07 < halff> chat p2p?
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12:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d7333ece15b8...bb25e0691f65
12:41 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa18fc7 MarcoFalke: log: Remove NOLINT(bitcoin-unterminated-logprintf)
12:41 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bb25e06 Ryan Ofsky: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#30485: log: Remove NOLINT(bitcoin-unterminated-logpr...
12:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky merged pull request #30485: log: Remove NOLINT(bitcoin-unterminated-logprintf) (master...2407-log-lint) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30485
13:00 < Murch[m]> sipa: Everyone settling on not signaling for a previously enforced optional feature seems a bit cleaner than everyone settling on signaling for a no-longer enforced feature.
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13:07 < sipa> Murch[m]: agreed there
13:08 < gmaxwell> +1
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15:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fjahr opened pull request #30598: assumeutxo: Drop block height from metadata (master...2024-08-au-drop-height) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30598
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17:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bb25e0691f65...ce1c881ccc8f
17:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6714276 brunoerg: miniscript: Use `ToIntegral` instead of `ParseInt64`
17:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ce1c881 Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#30577: miniscript: Use `ToIntegral` instead of `Pars...
17:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #30577: miniscript: Use `ToIntegral` instead of `ParseInt64` (master...2024-07-miniscript-tointegral) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30577
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19:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ce1c881ccc8f...b38fb19b7eed
19:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f14900b josibake: bench: add benchmark for signing with a taptweak
19:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5d507a0 josibake: tests: add key tweak smoke test
19:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c39fd39 josibake: crypto: add KeyPair wrapper class
19:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky merged pull request #30051: crypto, refactor: add new KeyPair class (master...add-apply-taptweak-method) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30051
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22:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b38fb19b7eed...2987ba663758
22:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6e7e620 ismaelsadeeq: [doc]: add `30275` release notes
22:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa2f269 ismaelsadeeq: [rpc, fees]: add more detail on the fee estimation modes
22:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2987ba6 Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#30525: doc, rpc : `#30275` followups
22:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #30525: doc, rpc : `#30275` followups (master...07-2024-estimatesmartfee-doc-update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30525
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