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00:56 < vasild> Maybe this can be labeled as "good first issue": #31293
00:56 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31293 | Discover() will not run if listening on any address with an explicit bind=0.0.0.0 · Issue #31293 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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06:32 < jamesob15> This has two pretty well qualified ACKs and a number of concept ACKs. Is there anything else I can do to get some maintainer consideration on this? #30708
06:32 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/30708 | rpc: add getdescriptoractivity by jamesob · Pull Request #30708 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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06:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/85bcfeea2356...ccc2d3abcd39
06:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa1177e MarcoFalke: refactor: Avoid std::string format strings
06:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ccc2d3a Ryan Ofsky: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#31287: refactor: Avoid std::string format strings
06:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky merged pull request #31287: refactor: Avoid std::string format strings (master...2411-check-fmt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31287
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07:41 < sipa> jamesob15: i like the change, but is there really no way i can convince you to drop the "spend-from address" part?
07:42 < instagibbs> im reviewing now btw.... thanks for the reminder
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08:14 < kevkevin> taking a look at the PR as well rn, might need to finish up reviewing later today
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08:20 < jamesob15> sipa: I'd really like it in there as an end user for this wallet thing I'm writing. I want to understand your concern - is there something above and beyond "this is just inconsistent with RPCs never having attempted to infer an address for spend coins before"?
08:20 < jamesob15> *spent
08:26 < sipa> jamesob15: yes
08:28 < sipa> jamesob15: there are two models of looking at the ledger that are common. the "wallet" model, where addresses are entry points into a wallet, but don't hold a balance of their own; it's the wallet that holds a balance in aggregate by having control of a number of coins. You can't "spend from" an address at all, because that is not where coins are held.
08:29 < sipa> the other is the "explorer" model, where addresses hold a balance of their own, and transactions have to-address and from-addresses, which increment and decrement that balance
08:29 < sipa> both of these models are wrong (addresses don't exist at all at the protocol level), but some models are useful
08:29 < sipa> i'm strongly of the opinion that the "explorer" model is harmful
08:31 < sipa> here, not too long ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1fkjx2o/comment/lnwgnzp/
08:31 < instagibbs> fwiw any library can do spk->address formatting, so downstream wallets can trivially support whatever they want here
08:31 < jamesob15> sipa: I think there's a simple counterexample use. Let's say for the sake of convenience, I want to withdrawal coins from different exchanges and have them bucketed somehow by exchange. I generate an address that I use for river, one for cashapp, ... In certain cases, I may want to pull from _only_ the coins I have received from one exchange.
08:31 < jamesob15> Asking the wallet to "spend from this address" is a convenient interface in that case.
08:31 < jamesob15> instagibbs: but then the client has to implement the address logic, which is not trivial. It's nice to be able to reuse Core's implementation.
08:32 < sipa> jamesob15: yeah, that's the "coin control" idea; in my view it's a useful expert feature, but it's not how things should be presented in general (i also think that multiwallet is realistically far more useful than coin control, because it's just so trivial to get it wrong)
08:32 < jamesob15> I really don't see what the harm is of just including it. It's cheap to generate and it's not like it sets some precedent that has to be abided by other RPC calls.
08:33 < sipa> i'm philosophically opposed to supporting a model that i consider harmful to bitcoin
08:33 < jamesob15> But you just said that "an expert feature" would make use of this model?
08:33 < instagibbs> the extra hoop is integrate any real library that does it, or call decodescript. I left my order of preferences in the PR anyways
08:36 < sipa> jamesob15: you have a point
08:37 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #31295: refactor: Prepare compile-time check of bilingual format strings (master...2411-trans-fmt-prepare) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31295
08:38 < sipa> it's still the case that no RPC really uses the "spend from" model; even scantxoutset just lists the address a coin was last sent to, but it's fair to say that coin control inherently exposes the user to an address-based model
08:39 < achow101> it would probably be better to make it align with how we do it everywhere else with calling it "prevout" or "scriptPubKey" and having the address in that breakdown
08:39 < achow101> e.g. getrawtranasction with verbosity 2
08:40 < achow101> this is at least not unprecedented, and I think the way of presenting it as information attached to the output that was spent, rather than the input, is a reasonable compromise
08:41 < jamesob15> achow101: so you're talking about just namespacing some of the information about the prevout in a nested dict?
08:41 < achow101> jamesob15: yeah
08:42 < sipa> i think that makes sense, it's consistent with other RPCs
08:43 < sipa> (i also don't want to nack things if overall opinion is that including the address is not a big deal)
08:43 < jamesob15> well getrawtransction verbosity 2 doesn't seem to return the address by default (at least according to the RPC doc), so I'm not sure if there's even a consistency to be had there. Nesting or not nesting doesn't seem like a big deal to me, and I tend to like flatter, but if that would somehow appease everyone I can do it
08:44 < achow101> jamesob15: it should be the same decoding stuff as is used for outputs. the optionality of the address is just that some scriptPubKeys don't have addresses
08:45 < jamesob15> achow101: ahh yes, I see - `ScriptPubKeyDoc()`
08:45 < achow101> which, I guess is also something getdescriptoractivity would have to handle (idk, haven't read the pr yet) since you can do raw(whatever)
08:45 < instagibbs> well right now it returns a blank string for address, I'd rather it be optional result
08:46 < jamesob15> I would be happy to do optional result but I literally can't figure out how to get our RPCResult doc stuff to work with that. On the client side, really the difference between "empty string" and "key no exists" is immaterial
08:47 < jamesob15> I'll see about reworking this to use `ScriptPubKeyDoc()` as achow101 suggested
08:47 < sipa> i think it'd make sense to say have for outputs have an "output": { dict with information about UTXO which can include txid, vout, amount, scriptpubkey, address, descriptor, ...}, and for inputs have an "prevout" { dict with the exact same information as "output" }
08:50 < achow101> jamesob15: one of the constructors for RPCResult has an "optional" parameter
09:05 < jamesob15> achow101: yeah I had been trying to use that but then was getting runtime errors or something about the return value being out of conformance
09:05 < jamesob15> will try again
09:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #31296: wallet: Translate [default wallet] string in progress messages (master...pr/dtran) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31296
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09:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #31297: mining: add early return to waitTipChanged() (master...2024/11/waittipchanged) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31297
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12:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] furszy closed pull request #31291: test: group executed tests within the same directory (master...2024_test_global_path) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31291
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13:24 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] adamandrews1 opened pull request #31298: rpc: combinerawtransaction now rejects unmergeable transactions (master...combinerawtransaction-check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31298
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