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00:04 < Sjors[m]> darosior: at the moment there is no wallet binary if were to enable multiprocess. That won't happen until #19460.
00:04 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19460 | multiprocess: Add bitcoin-wallet -ipcconnect option by ryanofsky · Pull Request #19460 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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00:05 < Sjors[m]> Or maybe already in #10102
00:05 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10102 | Multiprocess bitcoin by ryanofsky · Pull Request #10102 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
00:05 < Sjors[m]> In any case #31802 only adds bitcoin-node and bitcoin-gui.
00:05 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31802 | Add bitcoin-{node,gui} to release binaries for IPC by Sjors · Pull Request #31802 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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00:07 < Sjors[m]> Though if we want to rename the utility eventually, it's always better to do it early.
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00:20 < vasild> jarolrod: Excellent!
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00:25 < vasild> ajonas: b10c: Thanks for https://adamjonas.com/bitcoin/coredev/retro/coredev-2024-retro/! "Interested in Learning More About ... Network layer optimizations +6". What's that? Lets discuss this, here or in #bitcoin-core-network-layer-optimizations or elsewhere...
00:26 < vasild> (#bitcoin-core-network-layer-optimizations IRC channel, not hashtag ;)
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01:45 < bitcoin-git> [qa-assets] maflcko pushed 2 commits to main: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/qa-assets/compare/131d343df8db...733f70b21be2
01:45 < bitcoin-git> qa-assets/main 107f002 Murch: Add Murch’s inputs February 2025 merged without sanitizers
01:45 < bitcoin-git> qa-assets/main 733f70b maflcko: Merge pull request #218 from murchandamus/2025-02-murch-inputs-no-san
01:45 < bitcoin-git> [qa-assets] maflcko merged pull request #218: Add Murch’s inputs February 2025 merged without sanitizers (main...2025-02-murch-inputs-no-san) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/qa-assets/pull/218
01:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f93d6cb0caa9...2f98d1e06ed2
01:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faca7ac MarcoFalke: ci: Bump fuzz task timeout
01:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2f98d1e merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#31814: ci: Bump fuzz task timeout
01:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #31814: ci: Bump fuzz task timeout (master...2502-ci-fuzz) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31814
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03:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2f98d1e06ed2...81eb6cc2c609
03:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 407062f Hennadii Stepanov: depends: Avoid using the `-ffile-prefix-map` compiler option
03:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 81eb6cc merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#31800: depends: Avoid using the `-ffile-prefix-map` ...
03:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #31800: depends: Avoid using the `-ffile-prefix-map` compiler option (master...250205-prefix-map) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31800
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03:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #31815: multiprocess: Lock CapnpProtocol::m_loop with mutex (master...pr/macrace) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31815
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07:01 < glozow> sipa: instagibbs: (c) is m_total_announcements, and indeed (d) is not introduced yet in #31810
07:01 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31810 | TxOrphanage: account for size of orphans and count announcements by glozow · Pull Request #31810 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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07:02 < sipa> glozow: oh, right, indeed!
07:03 < glozow> sipa: you're correct that each peer will have a vector of items corresponding to each announcement, so that's how we'll track the count per peer
07:03 < glozow> however that refactoring doesn't really make sense to do before we change the trimming loop
07:03 < sipa> glozow: got it
07:04 < sipa> glozow: do we have a bound on the sizes of m_work_set within each peer's structure?
07:04 < glozow> no, we don't
07:04 < glozow> I think we could consider flushing it more proactively
07:05 < glozow> because you could theoretically have a ton of nullptrs in there
07:05 < glozow> Er sorry, they aren't pointers. I mean wtxids corresponding to transactions that don't exist
07:05 < glozow> Perhaps when a workset grows large (e.g. to 100), we delete the items that don't exist before appending more
07:06 < glozow> btw, here is my draft branch for the next PR https://github.com/glozow/bitcoin/tree/2025-01-orphanage-peer-dos
07:06 < sipa> keeping m_work_set.size() - m_announcements_per_peer.size() bounded may be enough
07:08 < sipa> hmm, but we may need to think about the maximum amount of work a single incoming announcement may have on trimming the m_work_set's down.
07:09 < sipa> if you can quickly find the ones whose wtxid is gone, that's not a problem, but if you need to loop for that, perhaps it is
07:10 < glozow> you'd iterate through work set and query m_orphans which is a map
07:11 < glozow> mm, wonder if we should make it an unordered_map
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07:12 < sipa> right, but if you have N elements in work_set, and N-1 of those are in m_orphans, and it's too big, you may need N-1 iterations to find the one that's missing, which is O(N log N)
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07:12 < sipa> eh, O(N), sorry, it's unoredered
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07:13 < sipa> still, a single incoming announcement may trigger up to max_announcements evictions, if each of those needs an O(N)-cost trimming of m_work_sets, that may be a problem, though i'm not sure if there actually is a scenario with such a cost
07:14 < sipa> i guess you'd do the announcement evictions first, and then trim the m_work_sets
07:17 < glozow> I might be misunderstanding, but I'd envision that we trim work sets in AddChildrenToWorkSet, not when we LimitOrphans
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07:19 < sipa> Ah, yes, that is sufficient.
07:21 < sipa> My thinking was that in order to bound memory usage, we need to limit how much bigger the work set can be than the number of announcements of a peer (because the latter is already bounded and thus accounted for, and adding a constant term on top of that suffices), so that if announcements are removed, that may mean reducing m_work_set too... but there is really need reason why it cannot be delayed 
07:21 < sipa> until the next time something is added to the work set.
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07:52 < glozow> Yeah, workset can't grow with AddTx which is nice. Another problem though is workset can have duplicates... so this thing can get pretty big
07:52 < sipa> oooh
07:52 < sipa> that may be an issue
07:52 < glozow> Yeah...
07:53 < glozow> While we're at it, maybe we think about size of the outpoints map too
07:54 < glozow> (memusage + tax is starting to look better huh)
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07:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #31818: guix: remove test-security/symbol-check scripts (master...remove_test_sec_scripts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31818
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08:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #31819: doc: swap CPPFLAGS for APPEND_CPPFLAGS (master...no_more_cppflags) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31819
08:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #31820: build: consistently use `CLIENT_NAME` in libbitcoinkernel.pc.in (master...reuse_client_name) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31820
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08:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/81eb6cc2c609...fb0ada982a73
08:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2706c5b Greg Sanders: test: test_inv_block, use mocktime instead of waiting
08:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fb0ada9 glozow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#31811: test: test_inv_block, use mocktime instead of...
08:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #31811: test: test_inv_block, use mocktime instead of waiting (master...2025-02-tx_dl_mocktime) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31811
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09:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dedyshkaPexto opened pull request #31822: fixing-link-Update dependencies.md (master...fixing-error) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31822
09:18 < sipa> glozow: it would be nice if we could have a formula of thr form memusage <= A + B*tx_weight
09:19 < sipa> so then the reservation csn be set to A*num_tx + B*sum_weights, for num_tx/sum_weight of the largest concurrently being relayed orohan set we want to resolve
09:32 < glozow> as in, we define the memory usage metric to be A + B*weight? 
09:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theuni closed pull request #31715: build: CMake security checks workarounds (master...cmake-security-checks-workarounds) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31715
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09:39 < sipa> glozow: right, rather than use real measured memory usage, use A+weight*B as approximation for it, which is simple enough to be tied to real use cases (which will be about num_tx, weight, num_inputs, ...) as those are not related to real memory usage
09:41 < instagibbs> "tied to real use cases"?
09:41 < glozow> instagibbs: it's still easy to explain what the orphanage limit is
09:41 < instagibbs> ah :)
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09:43 < sipa> well, "one maximally-sized ancestor set will resolve" e.g. 
09:46 < instagibbs> i.e., given a fixed A/B, we set the per peer reservation to a value that would protect 24 orphans at 404/24 kWU? 
09:47 < instagibbs> each*
09:54 < glozow> hold on I'm not really understanding how we solve for A and B
09:55 < glozow> or is this formula supposed to encompass both of the dos scores?
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10:05 < sipa> glozow: just memory usage
10:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Christewart opened pull request #31823: tests: Add witness commitment if we have a witness transaction in `FullBlockTest.update_block()` (master...2025-02-07-featureblockpy-witnesscommitment) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31823
10:05 < sipa> my thinking is: we try to find a "simple" formula for computing an approximate/upper bound on actual memory usage for a transaction (maybe it involves more parameters than just num_tx and weight, it could also use num_inputs, num_output, ...)
10:06 < sipa> because if the formula is just DynamicMemoryUsage(tx), then it's unclear how high to set the reservation for each peer to make a particular use case like "a maximal ancestor set will resolve"
10:16 < instagibbs> if you add in num_inputs term, f.e., you'd have to make sure the maximal number inputs are allowed for the "maximal ancestor set". Might be easier to overestimate and say degenerately they're proportional to weight
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10:17 < sipa> yeah
10:17 < sipa> right
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12:12 < Sjors[m]> #31384 RTM?
12:13 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31384 | mining: bugfix: Fix duplicate coinbase tx weight reservation by ismaelsadeeq · Pull Request #31384 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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20:02 < bitcoin-git> [gui] luke-jr closed pull request #599: Translate unit names & fix external signer error (master...ts_20220515) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/599
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