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02:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc opened pull request #32244: check if getcoinscachesizestate still works (master...detached37) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32244
02:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc closed pull request #32244: check if getcoinscachesizestate still works (master...detached37) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32244
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04:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b8cefeb22149...e1dfa4faebf3
04:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6b63218 marcofleon: qt: Update SetHexDeprecated to FromHex
04:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 868816d marcofleon: refactor: Remove SetHexDeprecated
04:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e1dfa4f Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#32237: qt: Update SetHexDeprecated to FromHex
04:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto merged pull request #32237: qt: Update SetHexDeprecated to FromHex (master...2025/04/qt-fromhex) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32237
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07:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sr-gi opened pull request #32245: doc: Updates how to reproduce fuzz CI failure locally (master...2025-04-update-fuzzmd) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32245
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08:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 9 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e1dfa4faebf3...c58ae197a386
08:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf2e23 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Shuffle files before testing them
08:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa98455 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Set ignore_incoming_txs in p2p_headers_presync
08:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf2d51 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Move global node id counter along with other global state
08:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #32198: fuzz: Make p2p_headers_presync more deterministic (master...2503-fuzz-det) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32198
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08:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc reopened pull request #32244: check if getcoinscachesizestate still works (master...detached37) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32244
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08:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sr-gi closed pull request #32104: refactor: Enforces Txid and Wtxid types in RelayTransaction (master...2025-03-refactor-process-tx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32104
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09:00 < achow101> #startmeeting
09:00 < corebot> achow101: Meeting started at 2025-04-10T16:00+0000
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09:00 < corebot> achow101: See also: https://hcoop-meetbot.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
09:00 < corebot> achow101: Participants should now identify themselves with '#here' or with an alias like '#here FirstLast'
09:00 < TheCharlatan> hi
09:00 < achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: abubakarsadiq achow101 _aj_ ajonas b10c brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jarolrod jonatack josibake kanzure laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa sr_gi tdb3 theStack TheCharlatan vasild willcl-ark
09:00 < cfields> hi
09:00 < furszy> hi
09:00 < Sjors[m]> hi
09:00 < hebasto> hi
09:00 < lightlike> hi
09:00 < ryanofsky> hi
09:00 < achow101> There is one preproposed meeting topic this week. Any last minute ones to add?
09:00 < vasild> < corebot> ... Participants should now identify themselves with '#here'
09:00 < sr_gi[m]> hi
09:00 < vasild> #here
09:01 < achow101> #topic Erlay WG Update (sr_gi, gleb, marcofleon)
09:01 < pinheadmz> hi
09:01 < Sjors[m]> Or we're doing #here now?
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09:01 < dzxzg> hi
09:02 < vasild> no idea why corebot is say that or whether it matters at all
09:02 < sr_gi[m]> I finished dusting and rebasing the full Erlay implementation on top of #30116, and I’m currently re-designing the functional tests to account for all the things that have changed prior to start running Warnet tests
09:02 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/30116 | p2p: Fill reconciliation sets (Erlay) attempt 2 by sr-gi · Pull Request #30116 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:02 < sr_gi[m]> Hoping to be done with the test before the next meeting and start with warnet
09:02 < glozow> hi
09:03 < sr_gi[m]> That's it on my end
09:03 < achow101> #topic Kernel WG Update (TheCharlatan)
09:03 < TheCharlatan> Nothing new per se this week. Still hunting for Approach ACKs for #30595, or one of the alternatives presented therein.
09:03 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/30595 | kernel: Introduce initial C header API by TheCharlatan · Pull Request #30595 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:04 < TheCharlatan> Also been looking more at what we could provide for more stateless block validation to external users.
09:04 < TheCharlatan> That's all :)
09:04 < sipa_> hi
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09:04 < achow101> #topic Cluster Mempool WG Update (sdaftuar, sipa)
09:05 < sipa> No big things to report.
09:05 < sipa> #31444 remains next to review
09:05 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31444 | cluster mempool: add txgraph diagrams/mining/eviction by sipa · Pull Request #31444 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:05 < kevkevin_> hi
09:06 < achow101> #topic MuSig2 WG Update (achow101, rkrux)
09:07 < achow101> Back from break, will be addressing the comments and rebasing the PRs soon
09:07 < glozow> welcome back!
09:07 < achow101> #topic Legacy Wallet Removal WG Update (achow101, furszy)
09:07 < achow101> Rebased the PRs and addressed the comments.
09:07 < achow101> There's an interesting issue with #31250 where it seems to be possible to still create a legacy wallet that uses sqlite as the database.
09:07 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31250 | wallet: Disable creating and loading legacy wallets by achow101 · Pull Request #31250 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:08 < achow101> Will be looking into that today. It's also still the current PR to review.
09:08 < achow101> #topic Multiprocess WG Update (ryanofsky)
09:08 < ryanofsky> Oh, not much to report. I think #31741 may be ready for merge, but not sure
09:08 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31741 | multiprocess: Add libmultiprocess git subtree by ryanofsky · Pull Request #31741 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:09 < ryanofsky> Has a few acks, not sure if we are waiting for anything else. I have a topic later but not much more to say here
09:09 < achow101> #topic orphan resolution WG Update (glozow)
09:10 < glozow> I am making a lot of progress with the orphanage rewrite (it'll be from scratch, multi_index, but a lot more intuitive than the current structure)
09:10 < vasild> #31741 has a stale ack from hebasto, maybe a fresh ack from him would tip it more towards "is ready for merge"...
09:10 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31741 | multiprocess: Add libmultiprocess git subtree by ryanofsky · Pull Request #31741 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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09:10 < glozow> So I will push to #31829 soon(TM), but before then, nothing to review
09:10 < cfields> ryanofsky: I'll give it another once-over and likely an ACK, I think you've addressed my concerns by now. Thank you :)
09:10 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31829 | p2p: improve TxOrphanage denial of service bounds and increase -maxorphantxs by glozow · Pull Request #31829 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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09:12 < achow101> #topic Adding IPC binaries to next release (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31756#issuecomment-2787113847) (ryanofsky)
09:13 < ryanofsky> Thanks vasild & cfields (from earlier topic)
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09:13 < ryanofsky> I posted a comment 2 days ago https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31756#issuecomment-2787113847 about some things that could be discussed here.
09:13 < Sjors[m]> achow101: sv2 workgroup update?
09:13 < ryanofsky> Summary is that previously I had wanted to add a `bitcoin-node` binary to the 29.0 release, installed in `libexec/` not `bin/` so not on PATH, identical to `bitcoind` binary except for supporting an `-ipcbind` option that could be used to enable an IPC mining interface, which is used by Sjors Stratum v2 mining client.
09:13 < ryanofsky> I saw the change as being minimally risky: adding a new binary not on PATH, with identical behavior and same compiled code as an existing binary, just linked differently and adding a single new feature that miners who are interested could use, and help us test and improve.
09:13 < Sjors[m]> Anyway it's just: man thing I'd like to see progress on is making libmultiprocess a subtree, which ryanofsky  has a separate topic for.
09:13 < ryanofsky> However, there were some concerns about adding the new binary before the 29.0 release, so it wasn't added. Main concern was that due to build issues which #31741 addresses, building the binary was annoying, and the thought was that we shouldn't ship a binary that few developers were even building, let alone testing.
09:13 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31741 | multiprocess: Add libmultiprocess git subtree by ryanofsky · Pull Request #31741 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:13 < ryanofsky> PR #31741 which fixes those issues is probably ready for merge soon, but a number of other concerns could remain. I tried to list 5 possible concerns at the top of #31756, and am trying to determine which of these or other concerns may be blocking for a 30.0 release, and if there's anything I could do to address them.
09:13 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31741 | multiprocess: Add libmultiprocess git subtree by ryanofsky · Pull Request #31741 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:13 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31756 | RFC: Adding bitcoin-{node,gui} binaries for IPC in 30.0 release · Issue #31756 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:13 < achow101> Sjors[m]: oops didn't see you 
09:13 < ryanofsky> If you have concerns about including a `bitcoin-node` binary in upcoming releases with an `-ipcbind` option exposing a mining interface used by a stratum v2 mining client, it'd be great if we could discuss them here or in #31756.
09:13 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31756 | RFC: Adding bitcoin-{node,gui} binaries for IPC in 30.0 release · Issue #31756 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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09:14 < sipa> ryanofsky: so this would mean that users run either bitcoind/bitcoin-qt OR bitcoin-node/bitcoin-gui?
09:15 < ryanofsky> Ideally we have a wrapper binary, so users can just run `bitcoin gui` with IPC option or not
09:15 < sipa> right, sure
09:15 < ryanofsky> In any case the main thing for mining IPC interface is to add a bitcoin-node binary, bitcoin-gui is there for inconsistency but I'd be surprised if anyone used it
09:16 < sipa> consistency, i assume!
09:16 < Sjors[m]> I think the wrapper also makes it easier to explain how to use this.
09:16 < TheCharlatan> Sjors[m]: +1
09:16 < fanquake> I need to look at this all again, but are we breaking all infra again in 30.x with this wrapper bin?
09:16 < Sjors[m]> Without having to explain why "bitcoin-node" vs "bitcoind", just use "bitcoin" with some arguments.
09:16 < Sjors[m]> But that's somewhat cosmetic.
09:16 < ryanofsky> I don't think wrapper should break anything because it is just additive
09:17 < fanquake> I guess everyone calling bitcoind can just call bitcoind, and not care about anything new
09:17 < Sjors[m]> Exactly
09:17 < ryanofsky> Wrapper pr is #31375 and has had a few acks
09:17 < fanquake> All our bins exist at the same paths
09:17 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31375 | multiprocess: Add bitcoin wrapper executable by ryanofsky · Pull Request #31375 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:17 < sipa> maybe at some point, if the multiprocess world becomes the New World Order, bitcoind and bitcoin-qt could become wrapper binaries too that just invoke the corresponding multiprocess binaries
09:18 < fanquake> so which use are we going to document as “preferred” ?
09:18 < cfields> ryanofsky: do you see this as a path towards deprecating bitcoind? Or you see them always being shipped in parallel?
09:18 < cfields> just trying to understand the end-goal.
09:19 < ryanofsky> I don't imagine deprecating bitcoind and bitcoin-cli anytime soon, I don't think we would gain anything from that
09:19 < cfields> 👍
09:19 < Sjors[m]> fanquake: the most careful approach is probably do just keep bitcoind as the default in documentation. 
09:19 < ryanofsky> But if we did decide to deprecate them, it should likely just involve moving them from one folder to another
09:19 < vasild> wen connect with "bitcoin gui" to an existent and running bitcoin-node?
09:20 < ryanofsky> vasild, that is implemented in #19461
09:20 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19461 | multiprocess: Add bitcoin-gui -ipcconnect option by ryanofsky · Pull Request #19461 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:20 < fanquake> sjors: well are we shipping the workflows/setups that developers are using/testing, or not
09:20 < cfields> ryanofsky: or sipa's suggestion above sounds reasonable.
09:20 < TheCharlatan> I don't think we need to decide on that very soon either, but feel like the wrapper gives some flexibility on either choice once it comes to that.
09:20 < Sjors[m]> And maybe recommend "bitcoin rpc" instead of bitcoin-cli because it's easier with named args.
09:21 < ryanofsky> I'd like to add documentation recommending the wrapper. I guess I'm not sure where would be best, probaly somewhere in doc/?
09:22 < fanquake> Doesn’t it need to be all documentation?
09:22 < Sjors[m]> And "bitcoin -M node" for multiprocess
09:22 < Sjors[m]> (or daemon, forgot which one)
09:22 < fanquake> Otherwise we are just going to have inconsistency about how to do anything all over the place?
09:22 < ryanofsky> fanquake, yes, I guess I'm not familiar with what documentation we have
09:22 < Sjors[m]> fanquake: that way developers testing multiprocess will also test the wrapper
09:23 < ryanofsky> Definitely all multiprocess documentation should say use the wrapper, not use libexec binaries
09:23 < Sjors[m]> Maybe there's some execv issue on some platform, that's the only reason why it might be better to not immediately recommend it for bitcoind.
09:24 < ryanofsky> Yes that is a concern, there were execvp issues on windows
09:25 < fanquake> We will need to decide, otherwise we’ll be endlessly changing our docs between the various ways to run bitcoind, depending on which developer read them last
09:25 < TheCharlatan> ryanofsky, but this multiprocess release will not target windows yet, right?
09:26 < fanquake> And if it’s the “new” way, now the docs no longer work for any prior maintained version etc
09:26 < ryanofsky> fanquake, I think we should update all docs to recommend the wrapper, but not do anything that would break instructions
09:26 < ryanofsky> *break previous instructions
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09:26 < Sjors[m]> So my suggestion would be "bitcoin" for everything except "bitcoind", and then change that to "bitcoin" in a later release.
09:27 < ryanofsky> There is no need to move bitcoind from bin/ to libexec/ for example, the wrapper will work either way and we do not really gain anyting by breaking old command lines
09:28 < cfields> if that's what the docs are going to recommend, maybe now's a good time in the release cycle to turn mp on by default in cmake?
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09:28 < ryanofsky> I'm ok with sjors approach of keeping bitcoind in docs too if we want to start with that
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09:28 < Sjors[m]> cfields: #31802 does that for the release
09:28 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31802 | Add bitcoin-{node,gui} to release binaries for IPC by Sjors · Pull Request #31802 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:28 < Sjors[m]> but not for dev builds
09:29 < fanquake> why not for dev builds?
09:29 < Sjors[m]> Happy to change that of course.
09:29 < TheCharlatan> cfields that would be my preference too once 31741 is merged.
09:29 < Sjors[m]> Slower compilation?
09:29 < fanquake> Devs should be testing and using what we are shipping to end users
09:29 < fanquake> Install ccache
09:29 < cfields> +1
09:29 < ryanofsky> note: wrapper executable in #31375 is build regardless of any IPC / multiprocess option, so I don't see it as directly related, just an additional help
09:29 < Sjors[m]> Ok, I can change that on 31802
09:29 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31375 | multiprocess: Add bitcoin wrapper executable by ryanofsky · Pull Request #31375 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:30 < Sjors[m]> My machine is fast enough, I didn't even realise I forgot ccache for the first week :-)
09:30 < cfields> And docs should generally reflect what devs see with a default build.
09:30 < fanquake> we’re not going to flick options in Guix that no dev is testing or using locally
09:30 < ryanofsky> I think multiprocess is already enabled in dev build preset
09:30 < Sjors[m]> Oh yes, I meant that it's not on in cmake by default, but I don't konw about the dev preset.
09:31 < ryanofsky> Yes I would like it to be on in cmake default too
09:31 < Sjors[m]> But it sounds like we want it for the "default build", not just the test build?
09:31 < TheCharlatan> yes
09:32 < Sjors[m]> Will do
09:33 < cfields> ryanofsky: in case that recommendation sounded inconsistent, I didnt't think 31375 was in good enough shape initially and it was an unfortunate time in the release cycle, but I don't think those things are true anymore so my preference has flipped.
09:33 < cfields> er, 31741 sorry.
09:34 < ryanofsky> makes sense I think, 31741 is needed to turn it on by default, after that there's probably no reason not to turn it on by default
09:35 < Sjors[m]> ok, that's fine too
09:36 < Sjors[m]> But keep in mind that if you turn it on by default for depends, it will end up in the guix build.
09:36 < achow101> Any other topics to discuss?
09:37 < ryanofsky> Sjors[m] sorry did not want to imply turning it on by default in that PR
09:37 < ryanofsky> I think I think it would be a good small followup, either in your PR or another one
09:38 < cfields> Sjors[m]: good point. I'm not sure the question of what to ship has been hashed out yet.
09:38 < cfields> but I guess if the docs are recommending it...?
09:39 < ryanofsky> cfields, docs might just recommend using `bitcoin` executable which is not tied to multiprocess and doesnt depend on the build option or any outside dependency
09:40 < cfields> ok, so we could potentially ship the wrapper but not the mp stuff for 30. Not arguing for/against, but I supposse that's an option.
09:41 < fanquake> Isn’t the whole point of this to ship the MP stuff though?
09:41 < fanquake> For the mining interface?
09:41 < fanquake> The wrapper seems unrelated
09:41 < ryanofsky> I think the wrapper implemented in #31741 provides a better CLI, and it is helpful for making multiprocess features easier to use, it does both things
09:41 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31741 | multiprocess: Add libmultiprocess git subtree by ryanofsky · Pull Request #31741 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:42 < TheCharlatan> wrong pr?
09:42 < ryanofsky> Oops #31375. Just pointing out that the implementation of the wrapper is completely independent
09:42 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31375 | multiprocess: Add bitcoin wrapper executable by ryanofsky · Pull Request #31375 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:42 < cfields> hope so, I don't remember reviewing that in 31741 :)
09:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c58ae197a386...e364e6b50969
09:42 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c47f81e laanwj: net: Rename `_randomize_credentials` Proxy parameter to `tor_stream_isolat...
09:42 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ec81a72 laanwj: net: Add randomized prefix to Tor stream isolation credentials
09:42 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e364e6b merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#32176: net: Prevent accidental circuit sharing when ...
09:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #32176: net: Prevent accidental circuit sharing when using Tor stream isolation (master...2025-03-tor-stream-isolation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32176
09:44 < achow101> Anything else to discuss?
09:45 < achow101> #endmeeting
09:45 < corebot> achow101: Meeting ended at 2025-04-10T16:45+0000
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11:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e364e6b50969...a4fd565191e3
11:07 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ff0194a Antoine Poinsot: miniscript: convert non-critical asserts to CHECK_NONFATAL
11:07 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a4fd565 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#31727: miniscript: convert non-critical asserts to C...
11:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #31727: miniscript: convert non-critical asserts to CHECK_NONFATAL (master...2501_miniscript_nonfatal) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31727
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12:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jamesob opened pull request #32247: BIP-348 (OP_CHECKSIGFROMSTACK) (regtest only) (master...2025-04-csfs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32247
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14:24 < PiRK_> Good evening. I was looking through a functional test and i'm wondering if this isn't a typo:  https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/test/functional/feature_pruning.py#L44
14:24 < PiRK_> "nTimes" vs `nTime`
14:27 < sipa> PiRK_: looks like it
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23:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko closed pull request #32168: doc/descriptors.md: Update next halvening heights (master...20250330) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32168
23:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko closed pull request #32060: test: Add support for mainnet addresses in address_to_scriptpubkey (master...AE2233KT) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32060
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23:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #32248: Remove support for RNDR/RNDRRS for aarch64 on Linux (master...2025-04-remove-arm64-rndr) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32248
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