--- Log opened Thu May 08 00:00:37 2025 00:19 -!- mateo [~mateo@lfbn-idf1-1-1757-147.w90-91.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:22 -!- qubuepe24 [~qubuepe24@user/qubuepe24] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:27 -!- Cory37 [~Cory37@user/pasha] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:27 -!- Cory37 [~Cory37@user/pasha] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:37 -!- qubuepe24 [~qubuepe24@user/qubuepe24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:54 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/95bb305b96a8...03ebdd079302 01:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4e8ab5e fanquake: crypto: disable ASan for sha256_sse4 with Clang 01:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 03ebdd0 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#32437: crypto: disable ASan for sha256_sse4 with Cla... 01:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #32437: crypto: disable ASan for sha256_sse4 with Clang (master...extend_asan_sse4) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32437 02:01 -!- mateo [~mateo@lfbn-idf1-1-1757-147.w90-91.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #32444: doc: swap "Docker image" for "container image" (master...no_docker_container_image) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32444 02:23 < bitcoin-git> [leveldb-subtree] fanquake opened pull request #51: refactor: add missing overrides (bitcoin-fork...add_missing_override) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/leveldb-subtree/pull/51 02:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #32445: build: let CMake determine the year (master...cmake_determine_year) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32445 02:41 -!- Cory37 [~Cory37@user/pasha] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:41 -!- Cory37 [~Cory37@user/pasha] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/03ebdd079302...646975295237 02:42 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa24fdc MarcoFalke: lint: Remove string exclusion from locale check 02:42 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6469752 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#32434: lint: Remove string exclusion from locale che... 02:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #32434: lint: Remove string exclusion from locale check (master...2505-lint-loc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32434 03:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #32446: build: simplify *ifaddr handling (master...simplify_socket) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32446 04:01 -!- jespada [~jespada@179.26.249.228] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #32447: [RFC] dbwrapper: Set global leveldb mmap limit (master...2025-05-leveldb-mmap-file-limit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32447 04:15 -!- Cory37 [~Cory37@user/pasha] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #32447: [RFC] dbwrapper: Set global leveldb mmap limit (master...2025-05-leveldb-mmap-file-limit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32447 04:16 -!- Cory37 [~Cory37@user/pasha] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:28 < bitcoin-git> [leveldb-subtree] laanwj opened pull request #52: Revert "Increase maximum read-only mmap()s used from 1000 to 4096 on 64-bit systems" (bitcoin-fork...2025-05-revert-mmap-increase) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/leveldb-subtree/pull/52 04:36 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@138.199.43.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:37 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.6.1] 04:38 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@static-23-234-93-211.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:42 < laanwj> well that went from "maybe a good idea" to "that's horrible i would wish this on my worst enemies" really fast... but at least we found another probably redundant custom leveldb patch 04:59 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@2804:14d:5285:84b2::1000] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:59 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@2804:14d:5285:84b2::1000] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:01 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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-!- jon_atack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #32448: contrib: remove bdb exception from FORTIFY check (master...remove_bdb_exception_stack_protector) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32448 06:49 -!- saikasyap [~saikasyap@2601:241:8500:8db0:6d8f:2836:298e:9725] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:03 -!- spynxic [~spynxic@spynxic.powered.by.lunarbnc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04 -!- pyth [~pyth@user/pyth] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:08 -!- bugs_ [~bugs@user/bugs/x-5128603] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:22 -!- spynxic [~spynxic@spynxic.powered.by.lunarbnc.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:32 -!- pyth [~pyth@user/pyth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33 -!- robszarka [~szarka@2603:3003:4eac:100:783b:8c62:50a0:29a2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:34 -!- szarka [~szarka@2603:3003:4eac:100:783b:8c62:50a0:29a2] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:36 -!- bob_x1 [~bob_x@user/bob-x1/x-8934932] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:00 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/66c968b4b4a9...1b4ddb0c2d10 08:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master edde963 Hennadii Stepanov: cmake: Respect user-provided configuration-specific flags 08:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1b4ddb0 Ryan Ofsky: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#32356: cmake: Respect user-provided configuration-sp... 08:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky merged pull request #32356: cmake: Respect user-provided configuration-specific flags (master...250426-var-override) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32356 08:15 -!- Cory37 [~Cory37@user/pasha] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:16 -!- Cory37 [~Cory37@user/pasha] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:25 -!- Christoph_ [~Christoph@2a02:810d:1399:b700:60a4:88f5:7fa8:432e] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:29 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:38 -!- Christoph_ [~Christoph@2a02:810d:1399:b700:60a4:88f5:7fa8:432e] has quit [Quit: Christoph_] 08:39 < bitcoin-git> [gui-qml] johnny9 opened pull request #450: Add Multiple Recipients option to the Send form (main...recipients) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/pull/450 08:45 -!- ProbablyTidwell [~ProbablyT@207.91.133.11] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:46 -!- Christoph_ [~Christoph@2a02:810d:1399:b700:60a4:88f5:7fa8:432e] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:47 -!- Cory37 [~Cory37@user/pasha] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:47 -!- Cory37 [~Cory37@user/pasha] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:48 -!- Christoph_ [~Christoph@2a02:810d:1399:b700:60a4:88f5:7fa8:432e] has quit [Client Quit] 08:57 -!- dzxzg [~dzxzg@user/dzxzg] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:58 -!- Emc99 [~Emc99@212.129.72.91] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:59 < glozow> hi 08:59 -!- mode/#bitcoin-core-dev [+o achow101] by ChanServ 09:00 <@achow101> #startmeeting 09:00 < corebot> achow101: Meeting started at 2025-05-08T16:00+0000 09:00 < corebot> achow101: Current chairs: achow101 09:00 < Murch[m]> Hi 09:00 < corebot> achow101: Useful commands: #action #info #idea #link #topic #motion #vote #close #endmeeting 09:00 < corebot> achow101: See also: https://hcoop-meetbot.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ 09:00 < corebot> achow101: Participants should now identify themselves with '#here' or with an alias like '#here FirstLast' 09:00 < instagibbs> hi 09:00 < kanzure> hi 09:00 < sipa> hi 09:00 <@achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: abubakarsadiq achow101 _aj_ ajonas b10c brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jarolrod jonatack josibake kanzure laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa sr_gi tdb3 theStack TheCharlatan vasild willcl-ark 09:00 < hebasto> hi 09:00 < dzxzg> Hello 09:00 < cfields> hi 09:00 < johnny9dev> Hi 09:00 < pinheadmz> hi 09:00 < abubakarsadiq> hi 09:00 < fjahr> hi 09:00 < dzxzg> *hi 09:00 < _aj_> hi* 09:00 < hodlinator> hi 09:00 -!- sr_gi[m] [~srgimatri@2620:6e:a000:ce11::2a] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:00 <@achow101> There is one preproposed meeting topic this week, any last minute ones to add? 09:00 < sipa> #here FirstLast 09:01 < furszy> hi 09:01 < stickies-v> hi 09:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto reopened pull request #31669: cmake: Introduce `WITH_PYTHON` build option (master...250116-python) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31669 09:01 < kevkevin> hi 09:01 <@achow101> #topic Cluster Mempool WG Update (sdaftuar, sipa) 09:01 < sipa> wow, again this topic" 09:02 < lightlike> Hi 09:02 < Murch[m]> Yeah, when are y’all gonna finally wrap that up? 09:02 -!- rkrux [~rkrux@user/rkrux] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:02 < rkrux> hi 09:02 < sipa> not much to say since last update, though i did a talk about the topic yesterday at bitcoin++ 09:02 < sr_gi[m]> hi 09:02 < sipa> as most of the more active reviewers are here too, i expect more progress next week (hint hint) 09:03 < sipa> not much else to say 09:03 < dzxzg> what's next to review? 09:03 < darosior> hi 09:03 < sipa> dzxzg: see the tracking issue #30289 09:03 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/30289 | Cluster mempool tracking issue · Issue #30289 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 09:03 < sipa> #31444 is next to review 09:03 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31444 | cluster mempool: add txgraph diagrams/mining/eviction by sipa · Pull Request #31444 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 09:04 < theStack> hi 09:04 -!- enochazariah [~enochazar@105.120.5.7] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:04 < dzxzg> sipa: thanks 09:05 <@achow101> #topic Erlay WG Update (sr_gi, gleb) 09:05 < sr_gi[m]> No update this week on my end, still working on Warnet simulations 09:06 <@achow101> #topic MuSig2 WG Update (achow101, rkrux) 09:06 <@achow101> The PRs to review are #31622 and #31244 which I have been responding to comments to and rebasing as needed 09:06 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31622 | psbt: add non-default sighash types to PSBTs and unify sighash type match checking by achow101 · Pull Request #31622 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 09:06 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31244 | descriptors: MuSig2 by achow101 · Pull Request #31244 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 09:06 <@achow101> #topic Legacy Wallet Removal WG Update (achow101, furszy) 09:06 <@achow101> #28710 was merged 09:06 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28710 | Remove the legacy wallet and BDB dependency by achow101 · Pull Request #28710 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 09:07 <@achow101> While there are still several additional cleanups that can be done, I think this project has reached its completion point and it can be removed from the updates list 09:07 < darosior> achow101: gg 09:07 <@achow101> #topic orphan resolution WG Update (glozow) 09:07 < glozow> no updates. I hope to get back to it soon. 09:07 <@achow101> #topic QML GUI WG Update (jarolrod, johnny9dev) 09:07 < glozow> achow101: \o/ 09:07 < johnny9dev> bitcoin-core/gui-qml#448 is complete and just waiting for one last validation and merge 09:07 < johnny9dev> I opened up the first draft of sending to multiple recipients at bitcoin-core/gui-qml#450 09:07 < johnny9dev> Contributor Gee has un-drafted AssumeUTXO snapshot loading bitcoin-core/gui-qml#424 and is looking for review. Related to that, he is also looking to contribute this work to the Qt widgets gui at bitcoin-core/gui#870 09:07 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/issues/448 | Introduce Coin Selection page by johnny9 · Pull Request #448 · bitcoin-core/gui-qml · GitHub 09:07 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/issues/450 | Add Multiple Recipients option to the Send form by johnny9 · Pull Request #450 · bitcoin-core/gui-qml · GitHub 09:07 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/issues/424 | QML Load Snapshot Signet (160,000 height) by D33r-Gee · Pull Request #424 · bitcoin-core/gui-qml · GitHub 09:07 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/issues/870 | [DRAFT] Expose AssumeUTXO Load Snapshot Functionality To The GUI by D33r-Gee · Pull Request #870 · bitcoin-core/gui · GitHub 09:08 < johnny9dev> That's all for this week 09:08 <@achow101> #topic Script Validation WG Update (fjahr) 09:08 < fjahr> Received some feedback and new benchmarks on the batch validation PR, I am addressing these shortly, nothing else from me 09:08 -!- ProbablyTidwell [~ProbablyT@207.91.133.11] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:09 <@achow101> #topic moving the repo to bitcoin-core (take 3) (achow101) 09:09 <@achow101> Last week, a couple people said they wanted more time to formulate opinions, so we had punted another week 09:09 <@achow101> Any new opinions on moving the repo? 09:10 < Murch[m]> Still seems like a good idea to me. Maybe we should check with Bitcoin Twitter, though. They seem to think that we should run everything by them. :p 09:10 -!- zeropoint [~alex@45-28-139-114.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:11 < glozow> lol 09:11 < laanwj> hehe 09:11 < glozow> I mean, I do think public perception is relevant for this 09:11 < fjahr> The danger of moving the repo seems extremely limited but I guess since we discussed them at length last time I am leaning to just moving the bips because that's the safest option. But not a strong opinion. 09:11 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:12 <@achow101> I still think we should move both 09:12 < jonatack> hi 09:12 -!- jespada_ [~jespada@r167-61-122-127.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:12 < laanwj> same 09:13 < furszy> I'm concerned about moving the repo, giving up ownership of /bitcoin due to some public drama in the future, and then the new /bitcoin owners recreating the repo with different source code. 09:13 < furszy> that's my only concern.. 09:13 <@achow101> why would bitcoin/ be given up? 09:13 < laanwj> having all code repositories under one org would be great and has been the plan pretty much since bitcoin-core org was created 09:13 -!- Emc53 [~Emc99@212.129.77.212] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:13 < kanzure> if it is purely a perception problem then by what metric would we determine whether there is any perceptual advantage or improvement by moving or not moving 09:13 < Murch[m]> I thought it was pretty unanimous that control over the bitcoin org would not be given up 09:13 < sr_gi[m]> I think given the latest drama, we should no be making a move like right now, it may just add more fuel to the fire 09:14 < laanwj> no, we're not giving up the bitcoin org 09:14 < glozow> first pwuille is given up, then bitcoin... chaos 09:14 < sr_gi[m]> Independently of what we decide 09:14 < glozow> yeah seems like very bad timing 09:14 < laanwj> i mean maybe, on the other hand it's always bad timing, there is always some drama in bitcoin 09:15 < abubakarsadiq> leanwj I always wonder why do we have the two orgs 09:15 <@achow101> kanzure: it's not purely about perception, there are some tangible organizational and moderation benefits that moving would give us 09:15 -!- jespada [~jespada@179.26.249.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:15 < sipa> abubakarsadiq: bitcoin-core was always intended to move everything bitcoin-core-specific to, but the bitcoin/bitcoin repo just never got around to it 09:16 < laanwj> abubakarsadiq: good question, it's just how it's historically grew, there is no deep reason behind it 09:16 < kanzure> not urgent at the moment but is there a way i could subscribe to bitcoin-core/ gh bans to auto-ban on the bips org to not duplicate that work 09:16 <@achow101> sr_gi[m]: otoh, if there's already drama, what could a little more do to make it worse? 09:16 <@achow101> kanzure: afaik, you can't 09:17 < pinheadmz> isnt the whole point to separate bans between bips and bitcoin core ? 09:17 <@achow101> yeah 09:17 < sipa> yes, they're different organizations, they should make independent conclusions 09:17 -!- Emc99 [~Emc99@212.129.72.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:17 < sipa> that doesn't mean they can't come to the same conclusion :p 09:18 -!- rkrux [~rkrux@user/rkrux] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:18 < _aj_> if bips is going to auto-ban everyone bitcoin-core does, what's the point? 09:18 < jonatack> moving bitcoin/bitcoin to bitcoin-core/bitcoin or bitcoin-core/bitcoin-core seems the most philosophically correct 09:18 < kanzure> my esteemed bip editor colleagues may have different opinions, but i don't see why i should want to duplicate any gh ban work; any gh-banned user can simply email an editor or any other BIP contributor anyway. 09:18 < jonatack> probably best not waiting for the stars to align to do it 09:18 < jonatack> i don't have a strong opinion about moving the bips repo 09:18 < laanwj> jonatack: right; "bitcoin core" is a particular implementation, "bitcoin" is the network and block chain 09:19 < jonatack> it may indeed be a good idea 09:19 < jonatack> laanwj: yes 09:19 <@achow101> kanzure: and currently it is duplicated work for bitcoin core to have the bans be the same on both orgs, if we actually did that 09:20 < jonatack> "may indeed be a good idea" -> bips migration to bitcoin-bips 09:20 <@achow101> jonatack: shall we bikeshed the name of the repo? I prefer bitcoin-core/bitcoin-core 09:20 < kanzure> there are already two orgs anyway, so the duplicative work is an issue as-is 09:20 < fanquake> The tangible benefits are certainly minor. The team syncing thing is negligable. i.e a handful of actions a year, across multiple people (think I've added a couple people in the last few months). Essentially the same in regards to ban management across repos. Aside from obvious spam, which requires no coordination, I think we've banned a handful of people? 09:20 < sr_gi[m]> achow101: some people love to see hidden agendas in all we do, so why give them more stuff to keep making noise for longer? Given there is no real rush for this, I think we should exercise some caution 09:20 -!- ProbablyTidwell [~ProbablyT@207.91.133.11] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:21 < sipa> i agree there is no rush 09:21 < kanzure> important to remind non-github users that github is simply a platform that some of us choose to use to work together. before github and sourceforge people used to actually email each other to discuss code or send patches. you can email anyone you want in the whole world! any contributor, as maintainers do not have a monopoly on email address namespace. 09:21 < furszy> yeah.. I just don't see any value in jumping straight into another public debate right now. There's risk involved in moving the main repo, but no risk in moving only the BIPs repo. Maybe we could start with that for now? 09:21 < jonatack> achow101: bitcoin-core/bitcoin-core sgtm too 09:21 < pinheadmz> agreed, punt 09:21 < _aj_> "bitcoin org is the network, not an implementation" doesn't really match the "but we'll keep bitcoin/bitcoin pointing at bitcoin-core/whatever forever" 09:22 < laanwj> in a way moving bips is more controversial than moving bitcoin core, as bips does belong with the global network/blockchain and is shared between implementations 09:22 < darosior> I did not think it through more since last time, in the middle of a conference currently. I still believe it makes sense ideologically but in practice it's unnecessary risk and burden. In addition right now it is pretty bad timing and i don't see the rush. 09:22 <@achow101> _aj_: sure, but that's more a practical thing because there's 15 years of links that would be broken or could end up pointing to a scam 09:22 < jonatack> FWIW, I don't see how anti-core sentiment would be further fueled by moving to bitcoin-core 09:23 < stickies-v> exponential backoff? discussing this every week might be a bit inefficient 09:23 < hodlinator> I think it might help perception to "concede" that bitcoin-core is not bitcoin, but it's hard to predict. 09:23 < fjahr> I think if we explain that this is actually a move that means people get less widely banned it should not cause too much drama, but unsure if people listen... 09:23 < kanzure> _aj_: unfortunately gh namespace 'bitcoin' owners have essentially a moral obligation to not abandon it to the wolves due to long-term security issues, such as release spoofing, tag spoofing, issue rewriting, comment rewriting... etc. 09:23 < laanwj> in any case, i don't think bringing this back every week is going to help, if there is no broad agreement to do anything then let's just not do it, or maybe in another 10 years 09:23 < darosior> stickies-v: +1 i don't really see what's the rush here 09:23 < abubakarsadiq> +1 darosior 09:24 < jonatack> the current anti sentiment seems to be as much or more fueled in any case by *how* than by *what* 09:24 -!- ProbablyTidwell [~ProbablyT@207.91.133.11] has quit [Client Quit] 09:24 <@achow101> alright, we can punt for another decade lol 09:24 < darosior> :) 09:24 <@achow101> any other topics to discuss? 09:24 < fjahr> why not move the bips then? 09:24 < stickies-v> kanzure: we could purposefully break the redirect in x years to ensure any people still relying on bitcoin/bitcoin move, almost entirely eliminating the hostile takeover risk 09:24 < Murch[m]> Maybe bring it up in a month? 09:25 < sipa> fjahr: that's out of scope for this meeting, imo 09:25 <@achow101> Murch[m]: I was thinking coredev actually 09:25 < sipa> bip editor can decide to do that, if they want 09:25 < fjahr> it would fix the problem we have... 09:25 <@achow101> fjahr: that's for the bip editors to decide 09:25 < darosior> Yeah Coredev seems like a good fit to discuss this 09:25 < laanwj> tbf i dono't htink sentiment is ever going to be better, there's always new drama 09:25 < Murch[m]> fjahr: Only one of three problems by my count 09:26 < stickies-v> thank you to everyone who’s hosted review clubs in recent weeks! next week we have a kernel review club coming up (https://bitcoincore.reviews/32317, notes up tomorrow) 09:26 < Murch[m]> It would fix that bans by Bitcoin Core affect BIPs, but it would not fix the org split that Bitcoin Core has currently, nor disclaim that Bitcoin Core is Bitcoin 09:26 < stickies-v> we have free slots available in the next weeks, so if you’re down to represent your WG pls dm myself or glozow 09:26 < laanwj> stickies-v: good to know! 09:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] furszy opened pull request #32449: wallet: init, don't error out when loading legacy wallets (master...2025_init_skip_legacy_wallets) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32449 09:27 <@achow101> #endmeeting 09:27 < corebot> achow101: Meeting ended at 2025-05-08T16:27+0000 09:27 < corebot> achow101: Raw log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-05-08_16_00.log.json 09:27 < corebot> achow101: Formatted log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-05-08_16_00.log.html 09:27 < corebot> achow101: Minutes: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-05-08_16_00.html 09:28 -!- Emc53 [~Emc99@212.129.77.212] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:28 < kanzure> for a future topic perhaps consideration of a private login-only issue tracker (but open registration) to downregulate public social media linkbrigading effects 09:28 < _aj_> Murch[m]: (we've coped pretty well with bitcoin.com, bitcoin.org, twitter.com/bitcoin, reddit.com/bitcoin not necessarily being "bitcoin", why should github.com/bitcoin be that different?) 09:28 < jonatack> Murch[m]: right, if anything reckon the move would be seen as positive. maybe some trial balloons can be lofted to check. 09:28 < kanzure> we have absolutely not coped well with bitcoin.com are you kidding me 09:28 < fjahr> Murch[m]: we still have headaches to not loose bitcoin/bitcoin so the org split isn't really going away imo and the third is philosophical. Seemed to me that the first issue was what started this discussion and bothered people the most. That's why it seemed like the highest priority to me. 09:28 < kanzure> tons of users have been completely fooled by bitcoin.com 09:28 < kanzure> with devastating financial consequences 09:28 < abubakarsadiq> @stickies-v There is an issue for the requests https://github.com/bitcoin-core-review-club/website/issues/791 09:29 < stickies-v> ah yes thank you abubakarsadiq - avenues aplenty! 09:29 < Murch[m]> fjahr: Fair point 09:30 < laanwj> we could also move everything from bitcoin-core to bitcoin instead lol 09:31 <@achow101> lol 09:31 < fjahr> Just putting it here then: Would be great if bip editors could discuss it :) 09:31 < jonatack> heh stoke the flames higher 09:31 < jonatack> fjahr: we began discussing right away, no clear rough consensus for the moment iirc 09:32 < fjahr> ok, thanks for the update! 09:32 < jonatack> (when achow101 opened the issue i brought it up) 09:33 < _aj_> laanwj: change the display name to "Bitcoin Core", add links to other resources/clients in the org description 09:38 < _aj_> laanwj: work out whether the bitcoin core logo is black (x.com/bitcoincoreorg, github.com/bitcoin) or orange (github.com/bitcoin-core, bitcoincore.org)... 09:38 < sipa> haha 09:38 < laanwj> looooolll 09:39 -!- enochazariah [~enochazar@105.120.5.7] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:39 < laanwj> black is the general logo, orange is specifically the main chain 09:45 < dzxzg> next testnet reset should get a new color :) 09:47 -!- Guest27 [~Guest27@102.90.101.203] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:48 -!- Guest27 [~Guest27@102.90.101.203] has quit [Client Quit] 09:51 -!- dzxzg [~dzxzg@user/dzxzg] has quit [] 10:00 < Murch[m]> Next testnet reset should have a substantial premine for any dev that signs up in advance to get one 10:00 < Murch[m]> That should make it easier to get coins to anyone that needs them and provide ample coin to sell into any exchanges that might start trading it 10:01 < Murch[m]> Like maybe 1'000'000 coins per party that wants any 10:15 -!- 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