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00:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #32476: refactor: Remove unused HaveKey and HaveWatchOnly (master...2505-bdb-removal-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32476
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01:13 < vasild> < gmaxwell> I'd like to better understand why the two comments of k98kurz on #32406 are marked off-topic ... 
01:13 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32406 | policy: uncap datacarrier by default by instagibbs · Pull Request #32406 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
01:13 < vasild> I second that
01:15 < vasild> IMO the current handling of OP_RETURN on Bitcoin Core side is technically sound, but a PR (as in public relationship) nightmare. That's logical - we are developers, not PR people...
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01:52 < _aj_> there are plenty of coins out there that prioritise PR over technical soundness *shrug*
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02:31 < gmaxwell> _aj_: that's only a point that's relevant when there is a conflict between the two!
02:32 < gmaxwell> In any case, it was a question-- presumably it has an answer. Might be a good one?  dunno!
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02:51 < _aj_> yeah, i don't know the answer to that; the github moderation tools are pretty bad, and aiui the handful of people that have access to them for our repo aren't experts at using them, don't really like using them, and aren't confident they'll be supported when they do use them :-/
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03:01 < gmaxwell> the discomfort with use can itself cause trouble. In any case I'm not trying to throw rocks, first I'd like to understand. And if then I disagreed then I'd like to convince. :P Though this is now the third time in this incident where I'm finding that efforts to diffuse public tensions are (potentially) frustrated by what appear to be unforced errors. and, lol, that's part of the fun too, but 
03:01 < gmaxwell> its important to figure out if they were errors in fact and then just try to avoid future repetitions. 
03:02 < _aj_> in theory https://github.com/bitcoin-core/meta/issues is the right place to report moderation mistakes fwiw, if nobody answers here
03:04 < gmaxwell> yeah I'll follow up later. Trying to have an informal direct discussion, and not directly invite disruptive elements to join the 'discussion' which appears to be the primary activity there.
03:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #32477: lint: Check for missing trailing newline (master...2505-lint-newline) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32477
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04:06 < pinheadmz> gmaxwell i only see two marked-as-off-topic comments in 32406, FractalEncrypt and 1440000bytes
04:07 < pinheadmz> i was moderating the first PR more agressively when the brigading started but the second PR I pretty much let everything fly unless it was indisputably a personal attack or spam
04:09 < pinheadmz> the main moderaiton problems we had with comments on the first PR is questions like "is concept NACK a technical argument with no other substance?" and are comments like "no more spam on bitcoin" duplicates since they add no new information
04:11 < pinheadmz> all the more reason IMO to open disucssion for policy changes in an issue ir github discussion before a PR is open. Let all sides post their position statements, and then there wont be need for reiteration on the actual PR
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04:33 < willcl-ark> gmaxwell: yes those two comments were indeed mistakenly hidden, and have since been un-hidden. Thanks for reporting.
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04:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/663a9cabf811...cbd8e3d51148
04:34 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa7b7f7 MarcoFalke: Remove HaveKey helper, unused after sethdseed removal
04:34 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fabdc5a MarcoFalke: Remove unused LegacyDataSPKM::HaveWatchOnly()
04:34 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cbd8e3d merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#32476: refactor: Remove unused HaveKey and HaveWatch...
04:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #32476: refactor: Remove unused HaveKey and HaveWatchOnly (master...2505-bdb-removal-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32476
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05:30 < gmaxwell> willcl-ark: so just a misake?  Totally fine with me.
05:31 < gmaxwell> pinheadmz: yeah I wouldn't have commented on a usless "no moar spam" comment.  I mean, I think it's a problem but it's one that can't really be fixed on github. (needs to be solved with more friction to participate, so that most participants know commenting in that way isn't helpful).
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05:56 < willcl-ark> gmaxwell: yep!
06:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 7 commits to 28.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/dbc450c1b59b...a124b913392e
06:02 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/28.x 9b15b20 Brandon Odiwuor: test: Handle empty string returned by CLI as None in RPC tests
06:02 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/28.x 2d6c14e MarcoFalke: refactor: Remove spurious virtual from final ~CZMQNotificationInterface
06:02 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/28.x e656762 Sjors Provoost: build: use make < 3.82 syntax for define directive
06:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #32299: [28.x] Backports (28.x...28_x_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32299
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06:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #32479: [27.x] Backports (27.x...27_x_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32479
06:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #32480: [28.x] 28.2rc1 (28.x...28_2_rc1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32480
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07:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] pablomartin4btc opened pull request #32481: wallet, refactor: Remove Legacy wallet unused warnings and errors (master...wallet-remove-legacy-warnings-and-errors) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32481
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08:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #32482: build: add `-W[leading|trailing]-whitespace` (master...trailing_whitespace) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32482
08:14 < bitcoin-git> [leveldb-subtree] fanquake merged pull request #51: refactor: add missing overrides (bitcoin-fork...add_missing_override) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/leveldb-subtree/pull/51
08:15 < fanquake> Looks like https://github.com/bitcoin-core/minisketch is missing from the corebot
08:17 < bitcoin-git> [leveldb-subtree] fanquake pushed 2 commits to bitcoin-fork: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/leveldb-subtree/compare/41882470862d...113db4962b8b
08:17 < bitcoin-git> leveldb-subtree/bitcoin-fork 9defe84 fanquake: refactor: add missing overrides
08:17 < bitcoin-git> leveldb-subtree/bitcoin-fork 113db49 merge-script: Merge bitcoin-core/leveldb-subtree#51: refactor: add missing overrides
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08:39 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cbd8e3d51148...8309a9747a8d
08:39 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c31fcaa Hennadii Stepanov: Squashed 'src/secp256k1/' changes from 0cdc758a56..4187a46649
08:39 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 915c1fa Hennadii Stepanov: Update secp256k1 subtree to latest master
08:39 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8309a97 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#32028: Update `secp256k1` subtree to latest master
08:39 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #32028: Update `secp256k1` subtree to latest master (master...250310-secp-subtree) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32028
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09:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mzumsande opened pull request #32483: test: fix two intermittent timeouts in wallet_basic.py (master...202505_fix_wallet_basic) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32483
09:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #32484: [28.x] build: suppress `-Wunterminated-string-initialization` in secp256k1 (28.x...28_suppress_unterm_string_init) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32484
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10:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #32485: Update minisketch subtree (master...update_minisketch_subtree) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32485
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10:29 <@achow101> minisketch#89
10:29 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/minisketch/issues/89 | header: Delete default Minisketch constructor by TheCharlatan · Pull Request #89 · bitcoin-core/minisketch · GitHub
10:30 <@achow101> fanquake: seems fine to me, did you mean the git bot?
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11:26 < fanquake> achow101: think I thought they were one and the same
11:26 < achow101> fanquake: they're not :)
11:26 < achow101> corebot is mine, bitcoin-git is laanwj
11:26 < corebot> achow101: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
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11:54 < sipa> glozow: 31444 rfm?
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12:08 < glozow> sipa: should i ask twitter first?
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12:25 < sliv3r__> lol
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12:27 < sipa> glozow: 🙄
12:28 < gmaxwell> glozow: you have to check with a few podcasters, don'tcha know. ;P
12:29 < gmaxwell> should just give all PRs turboencablulator descriptions.
12:30 < sipa> i want my signatures to have malleable logarithmic casing 
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13:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc opened pull request #32487: blocks: avoid recomputing block header hash in `ReadBlock` (master...l0rinc/optimize-readblock-hash-check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32487
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13:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 11 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8309a9747a8d...c9ab10910cd7
13:28 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2614fea Pieter Wuille: txgraph: Add GetMainStagingDiagrams function (feature)
13:28 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 87e74e1 Pieter Wuille: txgraph: abstract out transaction ordering (refactor)
13:28 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9095d8a Pieter Wuille: txgraph: Maintain chunk index (preparation)
13:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #31444: cluster mempool: add txgraph diagrams/mining/eviction (master...202412_txgraph_index) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31444
13:28 < sipa> \o/
13:29 < instagibbs> time to reorg
13:29 < gmaxwell> \O/ congrats, that's a superaminative wennel-sprocket if I've ever seen one!
13:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c9ab10910cd7...bac43b957e5f
13:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 772ba7f enoch: test: Fix nTimes typo in feature_pruning test
13:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2aa63d5 enoch: test: Use uninvolved pruned node in feature_pruning undo test
13:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bac43b9 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#32312: test: Fix feature_pruning test after nTime ty...
13:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #32312: test: Fix feature_pruning test after nTime typo fix (master...test_pruning_fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32312
13:33 < gmaxwell> sipa: should I keep running the spanning forrest loop finder? or put it on pause until you have new code for me to test?
13:34 < sipa> gmaxwell: probably not useful to keep finding more example
13:35 < gmaxwell> maybe interesting to get some examples with whatever metric you move to? for use as test vectors? (and maybe examples setup to generally be more sensible as test vectors)
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13:40 < gmaxwell> in any case I've stood down the search.
13:42 < gmaxwell> sipa: I have 18 cluster size 2 results, fwiw, most of which you haven't seen yet.
13:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bac43b957e5f...31650b458b6c
13:43 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5e87c3e Sjors Provoost: scripted-diff: rename gbt_force and gbt_force_name
13:43 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0750249 Sjors Provoost: mining: document gbt_rule_value helper
13:43 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 31650b4 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#32386: mining: rename gbt_force and gbt_force_name
13:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #32386: mining: rename gbt_force and gbt_force_name (master...2025/04/gbt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32386
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13:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/31650b458b6c...f9d8910539a2
13:50 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1e0de7a willcl-ark: fees: document non-monotonic estimation edge case
13:50 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f9d8910 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#31080: fees: document non-monotonic estimation edge ...
13:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #31080: fees: document non-monotonic estimation edge case (master...doc-fee-inconsistency) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31080
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14:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #32488: fuzz: Properly setup wallet in wallet_fees target (master...2505-fuzz-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32488
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14:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc closed pull request #32084: doc: document workaround and fallback for macOS fuzzing (master...l0rinc/libfuzzer-nosan-mac) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32084
14:16 < sipa> gmaxwell: sounds like enough
14:17 < sipa> if you feel like looking for something, perhaps more chunks=1 ones?
14:20 < sipa> but really, not urgent or important at this point
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15:22 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #32489: wallet: Add `exportwatchonlywallet` RPC to export a watchonly version of a wallet (master...export-watchonly-wallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32489
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16:31 < bitcoin-git> [gui] achow101 opened pull request #872: gui: Menu action to export a watchonly wallet (master...export-watchonly-wallet-gui) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/872
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