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01:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #33148: doc:Fix typos (master...fix-typo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33148
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01:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] bitcoin0158 opened pull request #33149: Bitcoin v1 (master...bitcoin-v1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33149
01:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #33149: Bitcoin v1 (master...bitcoin-v1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33149
01:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #33151: subtree: update crc32c subtree (master...update_crc32c_subtree) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33151
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03:30 < hebasto> sipa: yes; it will be addressed along with other issues detected by maflcko 
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03:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #33152: Prepare "Open Transifex translations for v30.0" release step (master...250807-translations) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33152
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03:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d767503b6a26...b43b8be782b8
03:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 96f8673 kilavvy: doc: fix typos
03:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d818340 fuder.eth: test: Rename shuffled_indeces to shuffled_indices
03:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 49f2f3c fanquake: doc: fix typos
03:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33125: ci: Use mlc `v1` and fix typos (master...misc_cleanups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33125
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04:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b43b8be782b8...6a2bb0fd8359
04:59 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9a5d297 fanquake: Squashed 'src/crc32c/' changes from b60d2b7334..efb8ea04e4
04:59 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8ef8dd6 fanquake: Update crc32c subtree to latest upstream master
04:59 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6a2bb0f merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#33151: subtree: update crc32c subtree
04:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33151: subtree: update crc32c subtree (master...update_crc32c_subtree) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33151
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05:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] KaueTech closed pull request #33139: Add Docker support with multi-arch build and user permissions handling (master...add-docker-support) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33139
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06:17 < sipa> hebasto: great
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06:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 6 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6a2bb0fd8359...2bb06bcaf284
06:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cd97905 Ryan Ofsky: cmake: Move internal binaries from bin/ to libexec/
06:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 94ffd01 Ryan Ofsky: doc: Add release notes describing libexec/ binaries
06:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c810b16 Ryan Ofsky: doc: Add description of installed files to files.md
06:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #31679: cmake: Install internal binaries to prefix/libexec/ (master...pr/libexec) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31679
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09:00 < achow101> #startmeeting
09:00 < corebot> achow101: Meeting started at 2025-08-07T16:00+0000
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09:00 < corebot> achow101: See also: https://hcoop-meetbot.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
09:00 < corebot> achow101: Participants should now identify themselves with '#here' or with an alias like '#here FirstLast'
09:00 < darosior> hi
09:00 < TheCharlatan> hi
09:00 < jon_atack> hi
09:00 < glozow> hi (btw orphan reso can be removed from WGs)
09:00 < achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: abubakarsadiq achow101 _aj_ ajonas b10c brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto hodlinator instagibbs jarolrod jonatack josibake kanzure laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa sr_gi tdb3 theStack TheCharlatan vasild willcl-ark
09:00 < kevkevin> hi
09:00 < hebasto> hi
09:00 < willcl-ark> Hi
09:00 < Murch[m]> hi
09:00 < eugenesiegel> hi
09:00 < pinheadmz> Wassup
09:00 < lightlike> hi
09:00 < abubakarsadiq> hi
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09:01 < achow101> There are no pre-proposed meeting topics this week. Any last minute ones to add?
09:01 < purpleKarrot> hi
09:01 < stickies-v> hi
09:01 < hodlinator> hi
09:01 < darosior> achow101: i'm curious if people believe whether the minrelaytxfee PR should be backported before 29.1 is released
09:02 < darosior> that was not quite english, but close
09:02 < sipa> hi
09:02 < cfields> hi
09:02 < achow101> #topic Kernel WG Update (TheCharlatan)
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09:03 < TheCharlatan> I'll pass this week
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09:04 < achow101> #topic Cluster Mempool WG Update (sdaftuar, sipa)
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09:04 < sipa> getting close!
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09:04 < kanzure> hi
09:05 < sipa> (to the start of the actual race, getting #28676 in)
09:05 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28676 | Cluster mempool implementation by sdaftuar · Pull Request #28676 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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09:05 < sipa> i'm working on a small PR to improve/control/observe memory usage in TxGraph, but review can shift to sdaftuar's PR now
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09:06 < sipa> i had a few ideas on improving SFL too during my offline vacation too, will post about in due time, nothing urgent about that
09:06 < sipa> that's it for me
09:06 < achow101> #topic MuSig2 WG Update (achow101)
09:07 < achow101> #29675 is the final PR and is ready to be reviewed. I've addressed the current comments as well as pulling in several of the followup suggestions from #31244.
09:07 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29675 | wallet: Be able to receive and spend inputs involving MuSig2 aggregate keys by achow101 · Pull Request #29675 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:07 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31244 | descriptors: MuSig2 by achow101 · Pull Request #31244 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:07 < achow101> #topic v30.0 feature freeze
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09:08 < achow101> feature freeze is in 2 weeks
09:08 < sipa> 2 weeks (tm)
09:08 < achow101> Anything to add or remove from the milestone? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/72
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09:08 < achow101> and please review things that are in the milestone
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09:09 < darosior> i'd really like to have #33050  and #32473 in for 30
09:09 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33050 | net, validation: don't punish peers for consensus-invalid txs by ajtowns · Pull Request #33050 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:09 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32473 | Introduce per-txin sighash midstate cache for legacy/p2sh/segwitv0 scripts by sipa · Pull Request #32473 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:09 < hodlinator> #32579 would be nice, but far from critical.
09:09 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32579 | headerssync: Preempt unrealistic unit test behavior by hodlinator · Pull Request #32579 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:10 < l0rinc> I'd like to include #33021 and #32975, if possible
09:10 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33021 | test: revive test verifying that `GetCoinsCacheSizeState` switches from OK→LARGE→CRITICAL by l0rinc · Pull Request #33021 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:10 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32975 | assumevalid: log every script validation state change by l0rinc · Pull Request #32975 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:10 < darosior> Will re-review #32473 today after the latest update. #33050 has been waiting on _aj_ to address comments there but it shouldn't be long
09:10 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32473 | Introduce per-txin sighash midstate cache for legacy/p2sh/segwitv0 scripts by sipa · Pull Request #32473 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:10 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33050 | net, validation: don't punish peers for consensus-invalid txs by ajtowns · Pull Request #33050 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:10 < dergoegge> probably #33106 ?
09:10 < lightlike> should #33106 be in the milestone?
09:10 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33106 | policy: lower the default blockmintxfee, incrementalrelayfee, minrelaytxfee by glozow · Pull Request #33106 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:10 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33106 | policy: lower the default blockmintxfee, incrementalrelayfee, minrelaytxfee by glozow · Pull Request #33106 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:10 < TheCharlatan> ^^
09:10 < darosior> Yeah clearly
09:11 < achow101> darosior, dergoegge, lightlike: added
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09:12 < achow101> hodlinator: l0rinc: added
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09:12 < fanquake> i don't see what is relevant to 30 about #33021 or #32975 ? Seems general, and will distract review from more important things?
09:12 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33021 | test: revive test verifying that `GetCoinsCacheSizeState` switches from OK→LARGE→CRITICAL by l0rinc · Pull Request #33021 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:12 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32975 | assumevalid: log every script validation state change by l0rinc · Pull Request #32975 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:13 < sipa> darosior: i have a very last minute, possible-even-simpler idea for getting rid of WITNESS_STRIPPED, will either open a PR in the next hour or so, or review #33105
09:13 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33105 | validation: detect witness stripping without re-running Script checks by darosior · Pull Request #33105 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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09:13 < fanquake> would be good if it's clearer why #32579 needs to go into 30, or not
09:13 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32579 | headerssync: Preempt unrealistic unit test behavior by hodlinator · Pull Request #32579 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:13 < darosior> darosior: nice. Feel free to ping me, i'm reviewing stuff for feature freeze today
09:14 < darosior> s/darosior/sipa
09:14 < sipa> haha
09:15 < l0rinc> fanquake: first is a test that was dead for some time and we've modified related code in this release; second is a very common complaint for people that they don't know why IBD is suddenly getting slow.
09:16 < hodlinator> fanquake: Will look into making it more clear. But essentially the release process will probably bump some values which will make tests cover less realistic behavior. Sorry for the redundancy.
09:18 < achow101> #topic should #33106 be backported before 29.1 is released (darosior)
09:18 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33106 | policy: lower the default blockmintxfee, incrementalrelayfee, minrelaytxfee by glozow · Pull Request #33106 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:18 < darosior> So it seems like we agree it should be on the milestone for 30, but what do people think of backporting it to 29.1 (currently in rc1)?
09:19 < glozow> There will be an rc2 fosho
09:19 < TheCharlatan> makes sense imo
09:19 < Murch[m]> with such a big portion of transactions being below 1 s/vB it seems reasonable to me
09:19 < darosior> I initially thought it was too late for .1 and it'd have to go in .2, but maybe that's too much churn for release managers? What do maintainers say
09:20 < glozow> ^that was me saying it can go in .1
09:20 < Murch[m]> Should be tested a bit more, though, especially if we not just roll it out to the new release but also backport it
09:20 < darosior> (I also think it should be backported, that's what i'm bringing it up)
09:21 < glozow> It doesn't seem like something we'd normally backport
09:21 < darosior> Murch[m]: yeah, still no review. I've been going through it this morning but definitely needs more eyes to be sneaked into post rc1
09:21 < sipa> i was trying to measure how much memory cluster mempool uses per transaction... "getmempoolinfo" -> "usage": 6217176... that can't be right?!
09:21 < achow101> we don't usually backport features
09:21 < fanquake> this isn't a feature though?
09:21 < fanquake> it's fixing compact block relay
09:22 < fanquake> if we do backport it to 29, then it should also go to 28
09:22 < dergoegge> since block relay is degraded, it makes sense to backport
09:22 < glozow> I agree it's closer to a bug fix than a feature
09:22 < lightlike> yes, an adaptation to changed fee condition, so it's a fix
09:22 < sipa> we have treated softfork activations as "bug fixes", which is why they tend to be in .1 releases... in the sense that network conditions have changed, and bitcoin core needs to adapt to those
09:22 < darosior> I guess this boils down to "how much would backporting it in 29.1 provide a relief for the current network conditions?" which i gets boils down to whether we expect 29.1 to be out before 30.
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09:23 < achow101> uptake of minor releases after a major release is made is usually not that high
09:23 < fanquake> if this pr hadn't come up, 29.1 likely would have been out within a week or so
09:23 < fanquake> and I'd say adoptoin of 29 is currently blocked somewhat, on the existence of the .1
09:24 < Murch[m]> Also, just a few nodes rolling out with the new mempool policy will probably drastically alleviate the issue for any nodes that upgrade
09:24 < sipa> and 29.2, if any, likely comes after 30.0?
09:24 < fanquake> likely
09:24 < achow101> sipa: yeah
09:25 < fanquake> has anyone found any issues with the rc1, in their testing so far?
09:26 < sipa> i think it's not unreasonable to backport a change like this given the network conditions, but whether it's worth doing does seem to depend on the realistic timing of getting the release out
09:26 < darosior> fanquake: i haven't, but haven't gone out of my way to try and test edge cases either
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09:27 < jon_atack> i'll see about updating https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32051, potentially by reducing scope to ibd only, where it was a real issue in my experience, tbc
09:28 < fanquake> sipa: I'd think ~4-7 days post backporting it
09:28 < achow101> at best 29.1 will be out 2 months before 30, i guess that's not too bad
09:28 < jon_atack> 29.1 inclusion seems based on review/testing then
09:28 < darosior> re rc1: it's also not like there is new features to exercise, and i don't run a mining pool to just be able to say "didn't break my operations" 🤷
09:28 < achow101> probably more like 1 month though
09:29 < darosior> achow101: 2 months (or even a bit less) seems like a win
09:29 < fanquake> why 1 month?
09:29 < fanquake> That'd mean it takes a month to review this PR, and run an rc2
09:30 < achow101> v30 is targeted for Oct 3. reviewing, merging, and backporting 33106, then rc that, then release in 3 weeks?
09:30 < achow101> s/in/within
09:30 < fanquake> Why would that take 3 weeks though?
09:30 < achow101> seems actually a bit tight with the way we usually do things
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09:31 < darosior> Seems like it's highly dependent on the time it'll take to get it reviewed. Should we try to coordinate to get it properly reviewed within the next week?
09:31 < achow101> anyways, i don't feel that strongly about it
09:32 < sipa> yeah let's first try to get it in master
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09:34 < jon_atack> yes
09:34 < achow101> Any other topics to discuss?
09:34 < fanquake> rc1 testing
09:34 < achow101> #topic v29.1rc1 testing (fanquake)
09:34 < fanquake> Curious to hear what testing has happend etc, amongst core contributors
09:34 < fanquake> Given rc1 has been out for a week or so
09:35 < dergoegge> haven't tested it at all
09:35 < sipa> i was unaware :s
09:36 < darosior> Not much. Been running it on one of my nodes (where i was manually looking at reconstructions before b10c rolled into the thread with proper stats). It's also the binary i used to generate the stats i shared on the minrelaytxfee PR.
09:37 < achow101> have it on one of my nodes, but that's all
09:38 < darosior> I could test it with downstream software (like running functional tests of wallets). But that would only reveal things like RPC breakage which would be very unlikely for a point release. I think my time is better spent elsewhere
09:39 < dergoegge> looks like lnd is using it in CI
09:40 < darosior> oh nice
09:40 < dergoegge> nvm they use .0 (got confused by a comment saying rc1 can be good for testing)
09:41 < eugenesiegel> I heard that the change does not break things in lnd
09:42 < sipa> it'd be very surprising if it did, i think
09:42 < sipa> but still, good to know
09:43 < achow101> Anything else to discuss?
09:44 < l0rinc> yes, I've investigated the excessive header hash calculations
09:44 < l0rinc> phantomcircuit: I've removed almost all header hashing duplication logic, but it doesn't seem to result in any IBD or reindex speedup - guess hashing is just really fast.
09:44 < l0rinc> There is a tiny speedup for headers sync and a few places where it's trivial to deduplicate, I might push a PR for that later.
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09:45 < sipa> l0rinc: are you on hardware with sha256 hw acceleration? since we do care about validation time on hardware without, it may make sense to disable that if you are
09:45 < l0rinc> good point, will benchmark without shani
09:45 < achow101> #topic excessive header hashing (l0rinc)
09:46 < darosior> l0rinc: how did you remove the duplicate hashing? Caching? What's the excess memory usage?
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09:47 < l0rinc> just local caching usually, e.g. instead of iterating the headers twice, getting the hashes each time, I've merged the loop
09:47 < l0rinc> and in other cases just passing them along with the block in a new parameter - not the pretties solution, but wanted to see first if there's any difference
09:48 < l0rinc> *merged the two loops
09:48 < achow101> l0rinc: were you able to find what the cause was? iirc we found it was being bounded by the block download window
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09:49 < l0rinc> yes, the max was around 1000 recalculations because of the loop in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/validation.cpp#L3498 indeed, bounded by BLOCK_DOWNLOAD_WINDOW - hence the ~1000 worst case
09:50 < l0rinc> which only happens during IBD as far as I can tell, it's why we didn't see them during reindexes
09:51 < l0rinc> that's it from me, thanks
09:51 < achow101> Any other topics?
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09:55 < achow101> #endmeeting
09:55 < corebot> achow101: Meeting ended at 2025-08-07T16:55+0000
09:55 < corebot> achow101: Raw log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-08-07_16_00.log.json
09:55 < corebot> achow101: Formatted log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-08-07_16_00.log.html
09:55 < corebot> achow101: Minutes: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-08-07_16_00.html
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09:58 < jon_atack> perhaps tag #29415 for v30
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09:58 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29415 | Broadcast own transactions only via short-lived Tor or I2P connections by vasild · Pull Request #29415 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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11:10 < achow101> 33106 is not a clean backport
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11:25 < sipa> #33106
11:25 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33106 | policy: lower the default blockmintxfee, incrementalrelayfee, minrelaytxfee by glozow · Pull Request #33106 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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13:11 < bitcoin-git> [gui-qml] hebasto merged pull request #495: fix settings navigation (qt6...fix-settings-navigation) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/pull/495
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14:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc opened pull request #33154: test: use local `CBlockIndex` in block read hash mismatch check (master...l0rinc/readblock-hash-mismatch-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33154
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14:36 < Murch[m]> If anyone is interested in playing around with a signet relaying a lot of transactions below 1 s/vB, you can join this one:
14:36 < Murch[m]> Signet Challenge: "0014a9ef4dfd4e8fe4a167e2a0719e117bb27a3a3f14"
14:36 < Murch[m]> Node: 32.141.102.6:38333
14:37 < Murch[m]> For reviewing/testing #33106, I mean
14:37 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33106 | policy: lower the default blockmintxfee, incrementalrelayfee, minrelaytxfee by glozow · Pull Request #33106 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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15:18 < Murch[m]> Please ping me if you need coins
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19:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4489ab5 Jon Atack: netinfo: return local services in the default report
19:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2bb06bcaf284...26e9db2df076
19:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f7d2db2 Jon Atack: netinfo: return shortened services, if peers list requested
19:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 721a051 l0rinc: test: add coverage for -netinfo header and local services
19:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky merged pull request #31886: cli: return local services in -netinfo (master...2025-02-netinfo-services) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31886
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