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03:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #33233: IPC followups for PR 31802 (master...2025/08/pr-31802-followups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33233
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03:23 < Guesttytty2> hello
03:23 < Guesttytty2> iam trying to link my local fuzzer to bitcoin node(process_message target in this case). first I run
03:23 < Guesttytty2>  cmake -B build \                                                                                                                   127 [13:15:33] │
03:23 < Guesttytty2> │                                       -DBUILD_FOR_FUZZING=ON \                                                                                                                    │
03:23 < Guesttytty2> │                                       -DCMAKE_C_COMPILER=clang \                                                                                                                  │
03:23 < Guesttytty2> │                                       -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=clang++ \                                                                                                              │
03:23 < Guesttytty2> │                                       -DFUZZ_LIBS="/path/to/.a files"
03:23 < Guesttytty2> and then
03:23 < Guesttytty2> cmake --build build
03:23 < Guesttytty2> both commands work fine
03:23 < Guesttytty2> then when I try to run FUZZ=process_message ./build/bin/fuzz ./corpus/process_message
03:23 < Guesttytty2> I get FUZZ target 'process_message' not found. I wonder if there is an additional step I am missing to let my local fuzzer know about bitcoin targets?
03:25 < fanquake> You should use FUZZ=process_message ./build/bin/fuzz
03:26 < fanquake> Ah, sorry, misread the corpus dir
03:26 < dergoegge> You can try with PRINT_ALL_FUZZ_TARGETS_AND_ABORT=1 to see all harnesses that are compiled in
03:27 < Guesttytty2> Yea my problem is exactly that, I dont see any harness compiled when I do
03:27 < Guesttytty2>  PRINT_ALL_FUZZ_TARGETS_AND_ABORT=1 ./build/bin/fuzz                                                                                  1 [13:25:30] │
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03:27 < Guesttytty2> │ Usage: ./build/bin/fuzz <initial_corpus_directory>
03:27 < dergoegge> If you're building your own fuzzer you'll need to make sure it also calls "LLVMFuzzerInitialize"
03:28 < fanquake> Please stop pasting over multiple lines
03:30 < dergoegge> For sharing terminal output I would recommend something like https://pastebin.com/ :)
03:34 < Guesttytty2> oops sorry. Ok Ill have a look at LLVMFuzzerInitialize. Thank you.
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03:50 < Guesttytty2> Interestingly `PRINT_ALL_FUZZ_TARGETS_AND_ABORT=1 ./build/bin/fuzz ` does return now(after adding LLVMFuzzerInitialize) a list that contain 'process_message' and others. But I still see the not found error from above.
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03:54 < Guesttytty2> If I try to fuzz `wallet_*` I see `No fuzz target compiled for wallet_*..`. Everything else return `Error: Fuzz target '*' not found`.
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03:59 < maflcko> Guesttytty2: You'll have to compile with the wallet. I'd suggest to share exact and full steps to reproduce (including the configure summary, etc)
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04:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 14 commits to 29.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c5196bc9c444...89fe999cda0e
04:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/29.x 4e3cfa6 glozow: [test] check miner doesn't select 0fee transactions
04:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/29.x 03da7af glozow: [test] check bypass of minrelay for various minrelaytxfee settings
04:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/29.x 6b5396c glozow: [test] RBF rule 4 for various incrementalrelayfee settings
04:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33226: [29.x] 33106 backport and final changes for rc2 (29.x...2025-08-29.1rc2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33226
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04:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #33234: doc: update example bitcoin conf for 29.1rc2 (29.x...bitcoin_conf_rc2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33234
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04:28 < Guesttytty2> maflcko
04:28 < Guesttytty2> First command output: https://pastebin.com/USKdaqHQ (full command at the top of the file)
04:28 < Guesttytty2> Second command output: https://pastebin.com/FhFyqwG2 (`cmake --build build`)
04:28 < Guesttytty2> Third command is `FUZZ=process_message ./build/bin/fuzz ./corpus/process_message` and it return `Error: FUZZ target 'process_message' not found`
04:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #33235: build: set ENABLE_IPC to OFF when fuzzing (master...no_ipc_when_fuzz) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33235
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04:36 < dergoegge> "Error: FUZZ target 'process_message' not found" does not look like an error message that Bitcoin Core produces. You should check if your fuzzer also expects a FUZZ env variable and fails to interpret the "process_message" value.
04:36 < dergoegge> This discussion might be too noisy for this channel, you can DM me here on irc, I'll try to give you some pointers
04:39 < maflcko> Guesttytty2: What is git log -1 and git status?
04:41 < b10c> gmaxwell: re 82.66.103.79: it's an altcoin node with Bitcoin mainnet network magic
04:50 < Guesttytty2> maflcko I am at f490f5562d4b20857ef8d042c050763795fd43da (29 tag, without changes).  Ill move the discussion to a private chat with dergoegge.
04:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #33236: doc: Remove wrong and redundant doxygen tag (master...2508-doc-doxygen) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33236
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07:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to 29.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/89fe999cda0e...027a60d218e7
07:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/29.x 65dc198 fanquake: doc: update example bitcoin conf for 29.1rc2
07:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/29.x 027a60d merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#33234: doc: update example bitcoin conf for 29.1rc2
07:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33234: doc: update example bitcoin conf for 29.1rc2 (29.x...bitcoin_conf_rc2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33234
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07:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed tag v29.1rc2: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/v29.1rc2
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07:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7d9789401be4...8333aa530290
07:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 620abe9 Ava Chow: interfaces, gui: Remove is_mine output parameter from getAddress
07:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6a7aa01 Ava Chow: wallet: Remove COutput::spendable and AvailableCoinsListUnspent
07:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 009a69a Ava Chow: wallet: Remove ISMINE_USED
07:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #32523: wallet: Remove isminetypes (master...delete-isminetypes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32523
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09:00 < achow101> #startmeeting
09:00 < corebot> achow101: Meeting started at 2025-08-21T16:00+0000
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09:00 < corebot> achow101: See also: https://hcoop-meetbot.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
09:00 < corebot> achow101: Participants should now identify themselves with '#here' or with an alias like '#here FirstLast'
09:00 < achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: abubakarsadiq achow101 _aj_ ajonas b10c brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto hodlinator instagibbs jarolrod jonatack josibake kanzure laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa sr_gi tdb3 theStack TheCharlatan vasild willcl-ark
09:00 < dzxzg> hi
09:00 < TheCharlatan> hi
09:00 < janb84> hi
09:01 < eugenesiegel64> hi
09:01 < achow101> There are no pre-proposed meeting topics this week. Any last minute ones to add?
09:03 < achow101> #topic Kernel WG Update (TheCharlatan)
09:03 < brunoerg> hi
09:04 < kanzure> hi
09:04 < kevkevin> hi
09:04 < purpleKarrot> hi
09:04 < TheCharlatan> nothing to share with the wider group this week, a lot of discussions and work happening though.
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09:04 < achow101> #topic MuSig2 WG Update (achow101)
09:05 < achow101> Also no updates this week
09:05 < achow101> #topic 30.0 feature freeze
09:05 < achow101> Yesterday was feature freeze
09:06 < achow101> There are still a number of PRs in the milestone, mostly bug fixes. please review these 
09:06 < achow101> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/72
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09:07 < jon_atack> hi
09:07 < l0rinc> hi
09:07 < achow101> Anything to add or drop from the milestone?
09:07 < achow101> I think we should drop #32579
09:07 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32579 | headerssync: Preempt unrealistic unit test behavior by hodlinator · Pull Request #32579 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:08 < lightlike> Hi
09:08 < l0rinc> Could we add #33224 to V30?
09:08 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33224 | doc: unify `datacarriersize` warning with release notes by l0rinc · Pull Request #33224 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:09 < janb84> 2nd that
09:09 < jon_atack> achow101: propose a smaller scoped version of #32051 (IBD only) to fix syncing on slow connections
09:09 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32051 | p2p: protect addnode peers during IBD by jonatack · Pull Request #32051 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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09:10 < achow101> l0rinc: done
09:10 < fanquake> l0rinc: unclear that needs rewording
09:10 < jon_atack> l0rinc: agree -- i am unsure what current policy is, but it used to be that doc-only changes were mergeable after FF
09:10 < fanquake> there is no ambiguiity around us dropping that option, as far as I'm aware?
09:10 < fanquake> jon_atack: unclear what your proposing, looks like that PR hasn't been updated since last week?
09:11 < achow101> jon_atack: doesn't seem like a regression? and I'm not sure a fix can be properly reviewed in a week
09:11  * fanquake seems like there's still high level outstanding questions that are unaddressed, like https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32051#issuecomment-2932718871
09:11 < l0rinc> fanquake: we don't know the future, no need to state it that aggressively - we should discuss dropping it separately, especially since the release notes already does that
09:13 < dergoegge> what's the point of keeping those options around?
09:13 < achow101> to reduce drama lol
09:13 < jon_atack> fanquake: it is a longstanding bug (perhaps first reported in 2014 (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/5097), for me it made a very large difference in IBD time, though if others disagree I suppose it can wait for another release 
09:13 < l0rinc> yes
09:13 < l0rinc> and to unify the wording with the release notes
09:13 < dergoegge> yea lol
09:13 < achow101> jon_atack: long standing bugs generally don't meet the bar for merging after feature freeze
09:14 < fanquake> jonatack: probably good to add a test/reproducer then?
09:14 < dergoegge> I don't think we should keep code around to "reduce drama" but I also don't care that much
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09:15 < janb84> at the time, the code is still there and the project has some history to un-deprecate options. so why the premature harshness
09:15 < l0rinc> exactly - we're not proposing to keep it, just to discuss the removal separately
09:16 < dergoegge> just seems more honest to say it will be removed if that's the plan (i thought it was)
09:16 < achow101> hmm, we're past translation strings freeze too, so changing this will result in yet another translations update
09:16 < l0rinc> no, it's more honest to say that "the plan is to remove"
09:17 < fanquake> Yea. strings have already been updated and frozen
09:17 < l0rinc> I can update the translations as well in the PR if needed 
09:17 < achow101> there isn't really a semantics change, so I don't think it should be in the milestone
09:19 < jon_atack> regarding the outstanding question raised in 32051, dropping the middle two commits for now to only give addnode peers more time would resolve it
09:19 < jon_atack> I'll look into doing that
09:19 < dzxzg> I think the string is fine as-is, the ambiguity is embedded in the fact that it's the PoV of the project at time of release, and obviously that perspective can change in the future, I don't think much is gained by explicitly laying out that the future is hard to predict.
09:20 < achow101> Anything else to discuss?
09:21 < stickies-v> i don't have a strong opinion on the string change, either is fine by me, but it doesn't seem worth doing another translations update to me
09:22 < l0rinc> I don't mind doing the extra work, but I think the reword could avoid extra drama (this line was pointed out on Twitter explicitly)
09:22 < achow101> Should #32592 need to be in the milestone? It's needed rebase for 2 months
09:22 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32592 | threading: remove ancient CRITICAL_SECTION macros by theuni · Pull Request #32592 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:22 < fanquake> I don't see why we'd change it under the premise of having the discussion again, and maybe not dropping it, when that has already been decided, adn rejected in #32714
09:22 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32714 | init, doc: Replace datacarrier(size) deprecation with non-recommendation text by achow101 · Pull Request #32714 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:23 < TheCharlatan> I'd want #32592, would be nice to not have to backport to the old macros.
09:23 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32592 | threading: remove ancient CRITICAL_SECTION macros by theuni · Pull Request #32592 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:23 < fanquake> Yea, Cory should be following up with it shortly
09:24 < l0rinc> fanquake: if nothing else, it's inconsistent with the release notes.
09:25 < l0rinc> and we *will* have the discussion again, this time we shouldn't be surprised again
09:25 < achow101> what the text says won't change that
09:25 < dzxzg> Bikeshedding over the wording in the rpc helptext only gives more airtime to whatever drama we are supposedly avoiding
09:26 < dzxzg> And creates more senseless conflict and wasted contributor time, which is exactly what we want to avoid.
09:28 < l0rinc> I don't think unifying the two messages creates senseless conflict
09:29 < achow101> Any other topics?
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09:31 < hodlinator> Why drop #32579?
09:31 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32579 | headerssync: Preempt unrealistic unit test behavior by hodlinator · Pull Request #32579 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:32 < hodlinator> Oh, saw the comment now.
09:32 < achow101> hodlinator: I left a comment
09:33 < hodlinator> Okay, let's get it in after branching off then.
09:33 < achow101> #endmeeting
09:33 < corebot> achow101: Meeting ended at 2025-08-21T16:33+0000
09:33 < corebot> achow101: Raw log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-08-21_16_00.log.json
09:33 < corebot> achow101: Formatted log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-08-21_16_00.log.html
09:33 < corebot> achow101: Minutes: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-08-21_16_00.html
09:36 < glozow> dzxzg: well said
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09:41 < jon_atack> "long standing bugs generally don't meet the bar for merging after feature freeze" -> hm, I understand, nevertheless, only recent bugs meeting the bar seems a little odd, idk
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09:45 < jon_atack> i don't think unifying the messages is bikeshedding, nor that unifying them would add drama (quite the contrary)
09:46 < janb84> jon_atack: if they are there for quite some time, why the rush to include them after a freeze. There was no need before. And newer bugs could potentially be higher prio ;) that's the thinking i guess 
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09:49 < jon_atack> janb84: generally a PR shouldn't be rush-merged, it's only a question whether the fix is desired if well-reviewed and ready. A PR can always be dropped from the milestone if not.
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09:54 < janb84> jon_atack: true true
10:03 < instagibbs> Bugs which aren't new aren't blockers for people updating, new bugs are
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10:05 < jon_atack> instagibbs: Looking at the 30.0 milestone, it contains some items that aren't bug fixes. Some are only fixups or nice-to-have cleanups. I think it is fine to include them, just odd to at the same time exclude a bug fix that can affect IBD on a slow connection.
10:06 < jon_atack> Anyway, all I can do is propose and move on. Cheers
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10:28 < lightlike> jon_atack: would be good to address feedback, it's not been updated for months - it's not like this is a simple bugfix with no possible downsides.  e.g. I don't really understand _why_ the suposedly high-quality addnode peers are being disconnected.
10:29 < lightlike> were they much slower to deliver blocks compared to other peers? If so, doesn't giving them more time before disconnection make IBD even slower (if there are faster peers available)? 
10:29 < lightlike> If they weren't slower compared to other peers, then why were they marked as the staller? Maybe by mistake, due to the scenario described in #32179? Or some other reason?
10:29 < corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32179 | p2p: Inefficiency in block download / stalling algorithm · Issue #32179 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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10:39 < jon_atack> lightlike: they were being disconnected like automated peers due to a slow connection during ibd, then reconnected immediately, 100+ times per minute, because the thread reconnects addnode peers immediately. when i then ran bitcoind with that pull for ibd, the issue was resolved.
10:39 < jon_atack> I think I described this well in the PR description, but perhaps I'm not understanding your questions. Will look into it more (thanks!)
10:40 < jon_atack> (I assume by default that I'm not understanding fully what you are writing, so will investigate with that in mind.)
10:44 < jon_atack> This was happening not because the peers were low quality, but because my connection was slower than that allowed by our stalling logic.
10:45 < jon_atack> s/100+ times per minute/100+ times per hour/
10:48 < lightlike> "the issue was resolved" - ok, but was IBD faster? after all that is the main goal, not minimizing the number of connections we go make.
10:50 < jon_atack> The simplest fix would be the first commit, giving addnode peers more time before considered stalling, while dropping the next two commits that exempt them. The first commit is the one that fixed my IBD issue.
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10:58 < lightlike> wouldn't the first commit also slow down IBD in case the addnode peer is slower compared to other peers?
11:03 < jon_atack> I think that potential tradeoff is worth it. IBD was faster in that it became somewhat more possible, from 6-7 weeks down to 2-3 weeks. Though the connection speed could have been different too. The debug log was longer full of disconnections and reconnections. I have addnode peers that are clearnet, cjdns (as fast as clearnet), i2p (resource-intensive to build two tunnels for each
11:03 < jon_atack> connection), and tor.
11:05 < jon_atack> Been thinking if we ought to describe in the docs what kind of peers to select for addnode, e.g. *trusted* ones that the user knows personally.
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11:07 < l0rinc> Could you add your IBD measurements and maybe some plot that shows the disconnects before/after based on the debug.log?
11:15 < jon_atack> l0rinc: sgtm
11:15  * jon_atack lunch
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11:26 < lightlike> i think that tor addnode peers during IBD, if there are also clearnet peers, are usually a bad idea - they are much slower compared to other peers, the stalling mechanism tries to kick them, when it does we reconnect, so they just slow us you down without any benefit to us or them (that changes obviously once synced).
11:28 < lightlike> i guess this doesn't really apply if our connection  is even slower than the average tor peer's speed.
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11:34 < Sjors[m]1> FYI I plan to go through all my non-IPC pull requests next week and deal with feedback (mainly wallet stuff).
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12:34 < gmaxwell> the whole use of stalling disconnection as a performance optimizer is not really an intended or designed feature.  It's not what you'd come up with if you went in and said "I want to make IBD faster", but rather it's just a product of the initial out of order fetching code needing some escape hatch so that a single broken peer wouldn't completely jam progress forever.
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12:35 < gmaxwell> And the way all this logic is contructed tends to produce bad tradeoffs.  Like if you set the timeouts short, then nodes with slow connections are at risk of making no progress or only making progress slowly and inefficiently due to congestion collapse.
12:35 < gmaxwell> (where they terminate peers with inflight blocks, which are consuming resources in the background, just to replace with someone else who also will get terminated in flight).
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13:10 < lightlike> it has that effect though, that non-broken peers that are much slower compared to others are removed over time, though in a pretty non-aggressive way (compared to libbitcoin for example). I always thought this was some kind of compromise between IBD speed and distributing IBD load over many peers, not just the fastest ones.
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13:46 < gmaxwell> yes it does, but it's just incidental. We knew that it would improve performance and considered it fortunate.   But it's not a *good* way to so, particularly since tweaking down the timeouts to try to make it more effective will kill slower (or DOS attacked) peers from syncing at all.
13:47 < gmaxwell> it was never intended as any kind of compromise between speed and distributing over many peers.
13:47 < gmaxwell> and it was developed under pressure because the original syncing mechenism was beginning to fail to work completely. 
13:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8333aa530290...78351ed083b1
13:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7392b8b Pieter Wuille: miner: clamp options instead of asserting
13:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 78351ed Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#33222: miner: clamp options instead of asserting
13:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #33222: miner: clamp options instead of asserting (master...202508_clamp_mine_size) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33222
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22:43 < _aj_> huh, https://mempool.space/signet/tx/81ee6744532053f0d480684ef58ea4932414282f2ddf989c107f830ff7514b0b was supposed to consolidate some outputs at 9.5sat/vb (via sendall rpc with selected inputs and explicit fee_rate); but a whole bunch of those outputs were unconfirmed outputs of previous consolidations. so the fee estimator attempted to fee bump those uncofirmed txs. but the uncofirmed txs were 
22:43 < _aj_> large, so due to ancestor limits the fee bumping tx couldn't enter the mempool until the other txs were confirmed anyway, so the extra fees were just wasted
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23:01 < gmaxwell> _aj_: sounds like https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9466
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