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03:15 < fanquake> Does anyone want to look at #32097? We are going to ship Linux GUI binaries that aren't working properly (on modern desktops), and already are shipping GUI binaries that may/may not work
03:15 < corebot`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32097 | Linux download needs installation instructions · Issue #32097 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
03:15 < fanquake> We don't have any instructions for end users, to resolve these issues
03:15 < fanquake> End users are already running into these issues: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33432
03:16 < fanquake> Ideally we'd be shipping GUI bins that didn't require users to manually install missing dependencies
03:17 < fanquake> Barring that, some instruction on what to do when the GUI doesn't run would probably be useful
03:19 < fanquake> Taking this to the extreme, some obscure missing GUI dependency seems like a great way to compromise non-technical users
03:19 < fanquake> Similar to the "download this .dll to fix your computer" nonsense you see on Windows
03:21 < fanquake> i.e you can download this (definitely not compromised to extract your private keys) libxcb-cursor0.so to fix your bitcoin-qt installation
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04:13 < sipa> _aj_: i think an approach like that may work, but what is the advantage of having a separate decaying average for incoming rate, over effectively.using the queue size itself as that metric?
04:14 < sipa> fanquake: that would be nice to address
04:15 < _aj_> sipa: making this up as i go along, but: smooths out bursts more, and keeps the queue size small during sustained load that's above our expected average?
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04:30 < sipa> _aj_: right that has a similar effect to having a timeout on each tx, and once hit
04:30 < sipa> always sending it
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04:30 < sipa> but not as abrupt a change between timed out and not
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04:36 < sipa> _aj_: what about: {past_avg += 1} on every insertion into the queue, and on every send {to_send = min(queue, max(TARGET_RATE, past_avg * (1 - Q))); past_avg = (past_avg - to_send) * Q}, where Q = exp(-TIMEOUT/AVG_SEND_INTERVAL)
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04:39 < sipa> this way (even with TARGET_RATE=0), every insertion into the queue has an effect on to_send, summed over time, that adds up to 1
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04:41 < sipa> if we're going to add a min(..., 1000), i think we should instead just be dropping things when the queue grows too big - that's preferable to growing our own queue unboundedly
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04:42 < _aj_> would dropping from the queue imply `past_avg -= 1` ?
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04:43 < _aj_> going above some value would just mean the receiver is dropping them instead of us; that's probably easier implementation-wise :-/
04:43 < sipa> hmm, it should correspond to past_avg -= exp(-time_in_queue / AVG_SEND_INTERVAL)
04:43 < sipa> but we don't know how long something has been in the queue when it gets dropped i guess
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04:44 < _aj_> yeah, dropping the max(,1000) seems a lot easier than dropping actual txs
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04:47 < sipa> we do have better rate limiting on the receiver side than we did when this mechanism was first introduced
04:47 < sipa> (through the maximum queue size in txrequest)
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04:55 < _aj_> sipa: what's TIMEOUT ?
04:56 < sipa> _aj_: the time constant of decaying, so the time during which a fraction (1 - 1/e) of all transactions make it out
04:57 < sipa> could use Q = 1/2^(HALF_LIFE / AVG_SEND_INTERVAL) instead
04:59 < _aj_> hmm, okay, i guess i shouldn't be surprised that a steady-state simulation doesn't tell me much about how it might smooth out bursts
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05:03 < sipa> every burst should have an exponentially-decaying impuls response
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05:04 < _aj_> oh, should Q be scaled based on the actual time between invs? i seem to mostly be seeing max(to_send)=max(q) 
05:05 < sipa> that'd be nicer, but i don't see how to guarantee summing up to 1 then
05:06 < _aj_> scale both (1-q) and q?
05:06 < _aj_> ie, (1-rq) and rq
05:06 < sipa> hmm, that may work
05:12 < sipa> my formula is wrong
05:12 < sipa> it should just be past_avg -= to_send
05:12 < sipa> .. and then past_avg just becomes equal to the queue size
05:14 < sipa> i.e., on every send, you send a fraction 1-Q of the remaining queue
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05:28 < _aj_> shouldn't you send a fraction Q of the remaining queue?
05:28 < _aj_> no that's much worse
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05:37 < sipa> Q is the factor by which the queue shrinks every send
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05:58 < _aj_> hmm, Q=0.9 seems like it gives nice behaviour in my sim, though that implies TIMEOUT=0.5s which doesn't seem to make sense to me
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06:01 < dergoegge> #33252 looks ready for merge
06:01 < corebot`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33252 | p2p: add `DifferenceFormatter` fuzz target and invariant check by frankomosh · Pull Request #33252 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:03 < hebasto> is upgrade from v23.x to v30.0 supported?
06:06 < instagibbs> from a wallet perspective or?
06:06 < hebasto> from all angles, including a wallet one
06:07 < fanquake> What's the problem
06:08 < hebasto> fanquake: I'm reviewing #33422
06:08 < corebot`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33422 | build: Remove lingering Windows registry & shortcuts (#32132 follow-up) by hodlinator · Pull Request #33422 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:08 < hebasto> and pre-v24.x had more artifacts installed
06:09 < fanquake> that seems unrelated to fixing the breakage from #32132 ?
06:09 < corebot`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32132 | build: Remove bitness suffix from Windows installer by hebasto · Pull Request #32132 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:09 < sipa> hebasto: which ones?
06:10 < hebasto> the entire `doc` folder
06:10 < sipa> and those don't get removed when uninstalling?
06:10 < sipa> ah, but this is about upgrading
06:11 < hebasto> during uninstalling - yes, but not during upgrade
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06:14 < sipa> _aj_: hmm, maybe my Q formula was wrong, Q=0.9 should correspond to a time constant of AVG_INTERVAL / -log(0.9)
06:14 < darosior> hebasto: can't these be optionally deleted for maximum compatibility? Like delete if present, but don't warn if not.
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06:15 < hebasto> darosior: that's my idea I'm working on now
06:17 < _aj_> sipa: Q=exp(-AVG/TIMEOUT) then i guess
06:19 < fanquake> Things that still need release notes written for: #32132 #29868 #30997
06:19 < corebot`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32132 | build: Remove bitness suffix from Windows installer by hebasto · Pull Request #32132 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:19 < corebot`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29868 | Reintroduce external signer support for Windows by hebasto · Pull Request #29868 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:19 < corebot`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/30997 | build: Switch to Qt 6 by hebasto · Pull Request #30997 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:20 < _aj_> sipa: yeah, at first glance that seems nicely behaved to me
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06:24 < sipa> hebasto: but that's not a regression, we've never removed obsolete artifacts on upgrade?
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06:26 < sipa> _aj_: so, to_send = min(queue.size(), R*t + queue.size() * (1 - 2**(-t/H)))
06:26 < sipa> with R the target rate (tx/s), and H the half-life time (s)
06:27 < sipa> and t the time since last send
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06:28 < _aj_> sipa: seemed okayish even without that i think
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06:31 < sipa> could use t=AVG_INTERVAL instead of the actual time since send
06:32 < sipa> in either case, i think the average time spent in the queue will be log(2)*H
06:33 < sipa> no, H/log(2)
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10:41 < dzxzg> _aj_: sorry, "so bad" was a so bad choice of words and not correct, all I meant was that the current formula struggles struggles to reduce the queue size when transaction rates are above 7 tx/s
10:42 < dzxzg> and when that behavior is sustained without things calming down
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10:44 < dzxzg> I still kind of share the above question asked by _aj_ of why not just always send as much as we can? I'm not sure I understand this answer "to smooth out bursts of low-fee txs so as to avoid wasting the network's validation and relay resources"  Isn't the mempool size limit / minrelayfee the mechanism used to prevent this kind of DoS, what is so bad about an attacker being able to get you to send big INV's to your peers?
10:44 < sipa> the current formula roughly corresponds to this new exponential one, but with H=138*AVG_INTERVAL
10:45 < sipa> which is a pretty long half life
10:47 < sipa> dzxzg: i think the idea is that when there are bursts, and we expect (part of) the network to not keep up, we slow things down a bit, to give better transactions that arrive *later* to jump the queue
10:48 < sipa> +a chance
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11:15 < dzxzg> sipa: OK, just reiterating: since we INV in sorted order of `CompareDepthAndScore()`, limiting INV sizes gives the best transactions a chance to skip to the front at every INV interval; this isn't really about the big INV being directly bad, but about the fact that transactions are requested in the order which they are announced, sending big INV's would create large transaction request queues that a high fee transaction that arrives one INV interval 
11:15 < dzxzg> after a burst will have to wait behind.
11:16 < sipa> dzxzg: right!
11:16 < sipa> (and CompareDepthAndScore will become much better post-clustermempool too, because it can sort by chunk feerate rather than individual feerate)
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11:22 < instagibbs> Soon(TM)
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11:39 < sipa> instagibbs: any release now
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11:47 < dzxzg> sipa: Thanks, that makes sense, and for the other half: we care about the queue growing because it's a memory expense and the CPU expense of sorting the entire queue for each peer every INV, would it be cheaper to avoid the queue entirely and just iterate through the mempool in sorted order, skipping the tx'es that match m_tx_inventory_known_filter?
11:48 < instagibbs> ignoring runtime/etc you'd start advertising old txns to new peers which would be very different behavior
11:50 < sipa> dzxzg: i can't imagine that's faster unless you're close to having the entire mempool in the queue
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