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my hex to ascii script then 15:06 < sipa> it looks like you're ignoring the top bit 15:07 < pinheadmz> i have a function in ~/.bash_profile, uses nodejs: node -e "console.log(Buffer.from('$1', 'hex').toString('ascii'))" 15:08 < sipa> maybe it's just ignoring the top bit, because the alternative is failing 15:08 < pinheadmz> Ive seen you mention that ECDSA's G is special because its square root (or something?) is particuarly low. But ive also read somerhere that its the hash of the author's girlfriends name :-) 15:09 < sipa> G*(1/2 mod p) has surprisingly low X coordinatr 15:09 < pinheadmz> thats it, interesting 15:10 < sipa> but that X coordinate might still be the author's girlfriend name (padded with a few bits + 0 bytes) 15:10 < pinheadmz> haha 15:10 < sipa> that's not crazy... the X coordinate is slightly more than 160 bits IIRC 15:11 < pinheadmz> she has no idea how special she is 15:11 < sipa> so it's likely the SHA-1 hash of something, plus some padding 15:11 < pinheadmz> and then from there its that point * 2 mod P = G ? 15:11 < sipa> 2 mod p is just 2 :) 15:12 < sipa> but yes 15:12 < sipa> also, i meant 1/2 mod n (the curve order) not mod p (the field size) 15:13 < sipa> fwiw, it's my belief that the choice of G is entirely irrelevant to the security of ECDSA or Schnorr or a variety of other single-generator schemes 15:13 < pinheadmz> but in a system with more subgroups like ed25519 you must be more careful ? 15:13 < sipa> no 15:14 < sipa> it has to do with the application, not the group 15:14 < pinheadmz> ok 15:14 < pinheadmz> was just reading this: https://src.getmonero.org/2017/05/17/disclosure-of-a-major-bug-in-cryptonote-based-currencies.html 15:14 < sipa> pedersen commitmemts e.g. need two generators, and if there is a known linear relation between the two there os a dangsd 15:14 < pinheadmz> trying to grok the subgroups 15:15 < sipa> yeah, subgroups are annoying and complicate things, but that's an unrelated issue 15:16 < sipa> also the busted NSA EC-based RNG used 2 generators... and the snowden leaks revealed that they were indeed picked with a known relation 15:16 < pinheadmz> whoa 15:16 < sipa> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG 15:16 < pinheadmz> what a nightmare 15:17 < sipa> (well, i'm not sure the leaks proved that) 15:17 < sipa> it's a pretty good RNG, unless someone knows the relation between the two points 15:18 < sipa> in that case they can just read of the seed from the output (needs 64 consecutive bytes iirc) 15:18 < pinheadmz> terrifying 15:19 < pinheadmz> but when it comes to RNG - doesnt other sources contirbute like fan speed, time of day, cpu temp, keystrokes etc? 15:20 < sipa> the problem is that once the seed is known to the attacker, they can predict future output 15:21 < sipa> so they don't care how the seed was constructed 15:26 < pinheadmz> heh, even if the seed was a hash of my favorite pizza topping? 15:27 < sipa> especially then 15:31 -!- troygiorshev [~troygiors@d67-193-140-136.home3.cgocable.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-pr-reviews 15:42 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42 -!- felixweis [sid154231@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rwtspefaioxloplv] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43 -!- wallet42_ [sid154231@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sljhsvrgirujqlul] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43 -!- jakesyl 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