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08:09 < ziggie> Hi, when importing a taproot wallet descriptor in core 22, do I need to also include the checksum like #bech32 checksum otherwise it will not load ?
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08:17 < ziggie> Ohh, software is good enough to calculate it for me lol
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09:06 < michaelfolkson> ziggie: You can get the checksum from bitcoin-cli getdescriptorinfo https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/106936/how-do-i-obtain-a-checksum-for-a-taproot-descriptor-so-that-i-can-import-it-usin
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10:00 < stickies-v> #startmeeting
10:00 < glozow> hi’
10:00 < jaonoctus> hello!
10:00 < brunoerg> hi
10:00 < ccdle12> hi
10:00 < svav> Hi
10:00 < hernanmarino_> hello !
10:00 < stickies-v> welcome to a special edition of the review club everyone!
10:00 < justin_> hey :)
10:00 < monlovesmango> hey
10:00 < danielabrozzoni> hi 🙂 
10:00 < noc_> hi
10:01 < larryruane> hi
10:01 < kouloumos> hi
10:01 < lightlike> hi
10:01 < GucciPoet> Hi guys, I am honored to be here for my first meeting. You guys are all Legends!!! I'm here to learn and grow as a developer. nice to meet everyone!
10:01 < josibake> hi
10:01 < brunoerg> GucciPoet: welcome! 
10:01 < stickies-v> welcome GucciPoet, we're glad to have you hear! do we have any other people joining for the first time?
10:01 < jaonoctus> GucciPoet: welcome!
10:01 < stickies-v> *here, ouch
10:01 < emzy> hi
10:02 < stickies-v> with the upcoming release of bitcoin core v23.0, today we'll be going through the testing guide that tests some of the changes introduced in this version
10:02 < stickies-v> you can find the meeting notes (incl link to the guide) here: https://bitcoincore.reviews/v23-rc-testing
10:02 < stickies-v> the guide is meant as a *starting point* to get you going and cover some of the important changes. it's crucial that enough people test different paths of the software, so after the hour is over - go nuts and try to break things!
10:03 < stickies-v> (and please report your findings)
10:03 < stickies-v> before we start, could you please share which OS you're using and whether you'll be compiling from source or using the precompiled binaries?
10:03 < stickies-v> macOS 12.3 (arm64) / compiled from source
10:04 < danielabrozzoni> I'm on NixOS 21.11, compiled from source 
10:04 < brunoerg> macOS 12.0 / compiled from source
10:04 < emzy> macOS 12.3 / compiled from source
10:04 < ccdle12> nix + ubuntu / compiled from source
10:04 < monlovesmango> macOS 11.2 (arm64) / precompiled binaries
10:04 < jaonoctus> Ubuntu on Windows hehe, 5.10.16.3-microsoft-standard-WSL2 / compiled from source
10:04 < kouloumos> macOS 10.15.7 / compiled from source
10:04 < josibake> pop_os 21 (ubuntu) / compiled from source
10:05 < hernanmarino_> Linux 64 bits / compiled from source
10:05 < GucciPoet> macOS 10.15.6/ compiled from source
10:05 < stickies-v> jaonoctus great to see some windows users too, please don't hold back on running the windows build if you have time!
10:05 < larryruane> Linux 64 Ubuntu 21.10, compiling from source
10:06 < jaonoctus> stickies-v: surething, will do l8r
10:06 < stickies-v> looks like most people are quite comfortable with compiling from source, but feel free to use the binaries too if you run into any compilation problems
10:07 < stickies-v> so let's get started and get our environment setup, as per https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/23.0-Release-Candidate-Testing-Guide#preparation
10:07 < ls55> Fedora 35 / compiled from source
10:07 < stickies-v> we'll give a few minutes for people to get their release candidate, but no need to wait on everyone else if you'd like to start working through the sections or have questions
10:07 < larryruane> don't have to rabbit-hole but i'm having trouble compiling from source (i haven't seen this before): `/usr/bin/ld: /g/db4/lib/libdb_cxx-4.8.a(os_yield.o): in function '__os_yield':`
10:07 < larryruane> `os_yield.c:(.text+0x79): undefined reference to pthread_yield`
10:08 < larryruane> i think it may be because i'm on ubuntu 21.10, which may be too new to be supported(?)
10:08 < josibake> larryruane: looks related to bdb 
10:09 < josibake> larryruane: try setting the --without-bdb flag in configure?
10:09 < larryruane> ok will do, thanks (i was compiling with BDB)
10:09 < glozow> larryruane: maybe just try a autogen, configure, make again? 😅
10:10 < stickies-v> the build process should become a bit smoother for everyone as we're moving away from bdb, which is nice!
10:10 < stickies-v> alright if you run into any issues with compiling or running the binaries do shout for help, but let's move on to the first test
10:11 < stickies-v> just to make sure everything boots alright, we're doing a quick wallet test in the GUI: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/23.0-Release-Candidate-Testing-Guide#testing-the-gui
10:11 < brunoerg> great
10:13 < jaonoctus> gui is working here :)
10:13 < josibake> anyone else successfully build cjdns from source? im getting an error 
10:14 < ls55> Yes, I did. Can you describe the error ?
10:14 < larryruane> glozow: josibake: (building without dbd worked, thanks)
10:14 < monlovesmango> gui works for me. small question, why can't you load wallet backup files from gui? can that be done from command line? (sorry im new)
10:14 < stickies-v> TIL Qt is pronounced "cute" instead of "cutie". What a day!
10:15 < emzy> I did only a basic GUI test like sync, receive and send. Worked.
10:15 < jaonoctus> stickies-v: fr? TIL+1
10:15 < stickies-v> that's a great question monlovesmango, and no need to apologize! does anyone have an answer?
10:15 < larryruane> GUI starts up for me too, looks good!
10:15 < brunoerg> GUI working here! 
10:16 < stickies-v> jaonoctus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(software)
10:16 < hernanmarino_> GUI working. Syncing , sending and receiving working too
10:16 < monlovesmango> for cjdns I ended up using homebrew (brew install sjdns) and it seemed to be running, but also couldn't get cjdns IBD to work
10:16 < glozow> monlovesmango: see https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/471
10:16 < monlovesmango> glozow: thanks!!
10:16 < larryruane> would someone like to post a signet address here? i'll send to it using "cute" (haha, qt)
10:17 < ls55> There is a PR that allows users to restore GUI wallet backup from GUI
10:17 < GucciPoet> Everything loaded, created wallet..works
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10:17 < danielabrozzoni> larryruane (IRC): tb1qa6shvf2p8nvfz30a9ykepq8l8ue9258kntu9kv 🙂 
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10:18 < josibake> no issues with the gui, nice that descriptors are default now :) 
10:18 < emzy> tb1p8w0fx4h63mmxxhc6az8s7qugtqzrvyrtmjtz9agx958e4x5x5j9ql0xgme
10:18 < stickies-v> can't say no to free coin, yes please larryruane tb1q8cjpapvzyayxkhqnmjcfx8stshtl5gtdv3czu5
10:18 < monlovesmango> I will try to test that pr after this :)
10:18 < hernanmarino_> emzy: i 'll send you some sats
10:18 < emzy> ^ taproot address
10:18 < danielabrozzoni> Sats received, thanks! 
10:19 < larryruane> danielabrozzoni: sent (0.4)
10:19 < stickies-v> monlovesmango re CJDNS did you try the ping6 command from the guide to check you're connected?
10:19 < emzy> hernanmarino_: thx. I see the TX
10:20 < hernanmarino_> emzy : great 
10:20 < stickies-v> alright looks like the GUI is working well for everyone, time to move on to a slightly tricker test
10:20 < monlovesmango> stickies-v: yes and couldn't get ping6 to work for anything but localhost. but i realized that my router wasn't setup for ip6 so waiting for bf to stop working to try again
10:20 < danielabrozzoni> I had troubles with cjdns as well... cjdroute started without errors, but pinging wouldn't work 
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10:21 < larryruane> emzy: sent to you (0.1 to ...xgme)
10:21 < emzy> WOW I got a second TX with 0.1 
10:21  * emzy feels signet rich ;)
10:21 < stickies-v> so far most nodes have been running on the default port of 8333, but there is an ongoing effort to make it more feasible to run on most available ports, including #23542 which removes Core's very strong preference to only connect to peers running on the default port
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10:22 < stickies-v> since there's randomness involved the test in https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/23.0-Release-Candidate-Testing-Guide#testing-non-default-ports can take a very short or a very long time, so don't panic if it takes a while!
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10:23 < monlovesmango> this one passed for me. but the monitoring script had some weird output in the 'Currently connected outbound peers:' report section
10:23 < stickies-v> what was the weird output?
10:24 < jaonoctus1> thanx @amitiuttarwar for that PR #22618
10:24 < larryruane> stickies-v: sent 0.15 to ...czu5 (all my sends have been using gui)
10:24 < emzy> I also got a nonstandard port peer. Was after about 15 minutes.
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10:24 < danielabrozzoni> I had a weird output as well but stickies-v fixed it ~6 hours ago 😀 See https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24706#issuecomment-1082971761 
10:25 < monlovesmango> id column had: /tmp/23-rc-test/connection_monitoring.sh: line 3: /bitcoin-cli: No such file or directory
10:26 < stickies-v> it looks like you didn't set your $BINARY_PATH properly then, because it's pointing to your $DATA_DIR instead
10:26 < emzy> monlovesmango: yes you have to set export BINARY_PATH=$(pwd)/src also
10:26 < stickies-v> well it's not necessarily pointing to your DATA_DIR but I suppose it was pointing to somewhere wrong
10:26 < monlovesmango> danielabrozzoni: ok cool ill try again
10:27 < monlovesmango> i was using precompiled binary in downloads folder, so BINARY_PATH=/Users/monica/Downloads/bitcoin-23.0rc2/bin/
10:27 < emzy> I assume BINARY_PATH is just not set. Had the same problem.
10:27 < stickies-v> can anyone explain why we couldn't speed up this test by having everyone here run their node on a non-default port and then see if we're able to connect to it?
10:28 < stickies-v> emzy monlovesmango yeah just run echo $BINARY_PATH and see if that points to your binary dir
10:28 < larryruane> in case anyone's not aware, you can send yourself some signet funds from the faucet here: https://signet.bc-2.jp/ (i just did that and the gui detected the incoming payment)
10:29 < josibake> stickies-v: this isn't really testing if we can/cant connect on non-default ports, rather its testing that addrman connects to non-defaults when we become aware of them, right?
10:29 < josibake> previously, we had a strong preference for connecting to nodes on the default port (8333)
10:29 < monlovesmango> stickies-v: echo $BINARY_PATH looks ok. i'll try again later and post results
10:30 < glozow> josibake: yep. testing automatic, not manual, connections to non-default ports
10:30 < stickies-v> josibake indeed! manual connections were possible already
10:30 < stickies-v> (automatic connections too, but extremely rare)
10:31 < stickies-v> from the monitoring script, i'm curious what's everyone's AddrMan non-default to default ratio?
10:31 < stickies-v> and if you connected to a non-default peer, what's your ratio of connection attempts made?
10:31 < monlovesmango> monitoring script is working now!
10:32 < stickies-v> my AddrMan ratio is 4.57%, and connection attempts currently at 4.82% (but not yet finished)
10:32 < emzy> stickies-v: I had 5%
10:33 < monlovesmango> AddrMan: 5.14%, connection attempts: 6.12%
10:34 < stickies-v> Test successful: connected to non-default peer on "139.162.22.75:18222" whooo I passed!
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10:36 < stickies-v> "It does not necessarily mean 5% of our peers are non-default, since e.g. there could be biases like non-default nodes being less reliable than default nodes."
10:36 < stickies-v> Does anyone have any ideas as to what kind of biases that could be?
10:37 < danielabrozzoni> While running the test, I sometimes get a `error code: -29 Node not found in connected nodes`... is it normal? 
10:38 < stickies-v> danielabrozzoni yes this happens sporadically when the peer already disconnects by itself right before we run the disconnectnode command
10:38 < emzy> I also got that. 
10:38 < danielabrozzoni> Ah, makes sense, thanks 🙂 
10:40 < stickies-v> I'm not sure if everyone found their non-default peer already, but as we don't have that much time left I'd suggest we move on to CJDNS next
10:40 < svav> I just ran bitcoin-23.0rc2-win64-setup.exe  and the Welcome Window has really small text and is hard to read ...
10:40 < josibake> was able
10:40 < stickies-v> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/23.0-Release-Candidate-Testing-Guide#testing-cjdns
10:40 < josibake> to get a non-default peer! kudos on the script stickies-v
10:41 < stickies-v> does anyone have any ideas why we'd bother adding CJDNS when we already have Tor and I2P?
10:41 < stickies-v> (or before that, can anyone briefly summarize what CJDNS is about?)
10:41 < stickies-v> yay josibake !
10:42 < sipa> more mechanisms for combatting partitioning helps :)
10:42 < stickies-v> svav that's good to know, would you be able to briefly check if there's already an issue for that and create one otherwise? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues
10:43 < monlovesmango> from the little I could understand, cjdns is like a homegrown network of vpns...?
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10:44 < stickies-v> sipa yeah absolutely! And if you look at this from an adversarial angle, we need to make sure to have alternatives. If our privacy depends on just one network, it would be easier to bring down. With support for multiple privacy networks, we have much more resiliency
10:45 < GucciPoet> agreed
10:45 < josibake> from the little reading on cjdns , it appears it was originally designed to be used as a mesh network. not sure if this was part of the motivation for adding it, but seems like that could also be very useful for bitcoin
10:46 < sipa> i'm not sure privacy is really the argument here... being on more networks sounds strictly worse for privacy
10:46 < sipa> but privacy isn't the only concern
10:46 < svav> stickies-v ok I will do that
10:47 < svav> How do I stop the IBD on Windows, because I don't have room for the whole download on this computer?
10:47 < stickies-v> (note: it's always useful to look at the PR when trying to understand the reasons for implementing a change, there's often a healthy discussion. For example, see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23077 for CJDNS)
10:48 < stickies-v> I barely know anything on CJDNS myself so I'm also just asking the questions here haha, can't give too much answers
10:48 < emzy> I think more networks helps against eclipse attacks.
10:48 < josibake> svav: its fine to let it run while you are working through the guide. you can delete the tmp datadir when you are done
10:48 < svav> oh ok thanks josibake
10:48 < stickies-v> svav you can stop it with `$BINARY_PATH/bitcoin-cli -datadir=$DATA_DIR stop`
10:49 < josibake> emzy: correct, which is why its not recommended to run only tor, or only i2p, or only cjdns. very few nodes using those networks makes it easier to eclipse 
10:49 < stickies-v> how's everyone getting along with setting up CJDNS? any issues with pinging the sample peer?
10:49 < stickies-v> ping6 fc32:17ea:e415:c3bf:9808:149d:b5a2:c9aa
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10:52 < josibake> stickies-v: still running into compile errors for cjsdns, but ill finish the cjdns testing steps later once i get this figured out
10:52 < danielabrozzoni> I can't ping the sample peer ☹️ 
10:53 < stickies-v> josibake are there no binaries available or ubuntu?
10:53 < lightlike> josibake: i'm not sure if tor-only is still a problem today, since there has been such a huge increase in available peers.
10:53 < stickies-v> danielabrozzoni did you add a couple of peers from hyperboria-peers and then restart your cdjroute? (note: you have to run it with sudo!)
10:55 < danielabrozzoni> So, I added IPv4 peers only, as I run into trouble when adding IPv6 peers (but I don't have a IPv6 IP, so I guess it makes sense) 
10:55 < danielabrozzoni> And then yeah, I restarted with sudo, but no luck 
10:55 < danielabrozzoni> It shows no error when starting, the log looks fine 
10:56 < josibake> lightlike: good point! 
10:56 < danielabrozzoni> And if I `ip a s` I can see `tun0:` and my `fc` IPv6 address 
10:57 < stickies-v> (note if anyone wants to connect to my node, i should be reachable on [fc21:1b4f:01f0:24ba:2e40:e4b9:f200:81cf]:8333 )
10:57 < stickies-v> if you launch bitcoind with -listen=1 flag, you should be able to receive incoming connections too (assuming that your port is open)
10:58 < stickies-v> feel free to post your ipv6 address here so people can try and connect to you!
10:58 < danielabrozzoni> I'll just ask on the cjdns IRC later tonight 🙂 
10:58 < stickies-v> (you can find this at the top of your cjdroute.conf file)
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10:58 < stickies-v> yeah sorry danielabrozzoni I have no idea :|
10:58 < danielabrozzoni> Ahah no worries 😀 
11:00 < stickies-v> well, looks like we're at the end of the meeting already, thank you for attending everyone!
11:00 < josibake> thanks for writing the guide and hosting, stickies-v!
11:01 < danielabrozzoni> Thanks stickies-v 🙂 
11:01 < monlovesmango> thank you!!!!!
11:01 < stickies-v> feel free to hang around longer if you've not finished with the guide, it's easier to fix things together
11:01 < GucciPoet> Thank you guys!
11:01 < stickies-v> #endmeeting
11:01 < larryruane> thanks stickies-v, this was great!
11:01 < glozow> Thank you stickies-v! The testing guide was very helpful and this was a fun session :D
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11:02 < hernanmarino_> thanks ! 
11:02 < larryruane> danielabrozzoni: I wasn't aware of the cjdns IRC channel, just joined it, but is there a way to get a list of the channels?
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11:02 < svav> Thanks stickies-v and all!
11:02 < stickies-v> a big thank you to josibake and jarolrod for providing me with a great foundation to work on with the testing guide from previous versions, and to everyone involved with testing the early versions and giving me inspiration for the tests!
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11:03 < emzy> Thank you stickies-v!
11:04 < danielabrozzoni> larryruane (IRC): I don't know, sorry ☹️ I knew about it because of https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns#community 
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11:07 < larryruane> danielabrozzoni: no worries, just wondering, that's good to know about too, thanks
11:09 < ls55> larryruane: I don't know if that's what you're asking, but there is two CJDNS seeds for Bitcoin Core on mainnet https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/f4e5d704f24ad9beba4f9a4838be3351551964df/contrib/seeds/nodes_main.txt#L688-L689
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