--- Log opened Tue Nov 04 00:00:40 2014 00:00 -!- adam3us [~Adium@c31-67.i07-8.onvol.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:01 -!- Jokosh [~sark@37-252-108-40.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01 -!- Jokosh [~sark@37-252-108-40.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:07 < gmaxwell> sipa: found a bug in frama-c while trying to prove that field multiply code correct. ... seems it is losing the typedefs when generating the theorems from the code... (stupidly I didn't notice that it was using 2^32-1 as the overflow check and wasted a bunch of time scratching my head as to why really simple theorems were not proving) 00:08 < gmaxwell> Now we just need a GCC bug to know we've really been testing it well. (You know you might be doing at least a barely acceptable job testing your software when you've found several bugs in your tools/dependencies) 00:13 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@chello084114181075.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:13 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@chello084114181075.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 00:13 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:20 -!- GnarSith [~far@onegrandcircle.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:40 -!- adam3us [~Adium@c31-67.i07-8.onvol.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:41 -!- bit2017 [~linker@113.161.87.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:44 -!- Guest19684 [~linker@113.161.87.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:53 -!- benten [~benten@unaffiliated/benten] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:54 -!- adam3us [~Adium@c31-67.i07-8.onvol.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:55 -!- adam3us [~Adium@c31-67.i07-8.onvol.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:05 -!- andy-logbot [~bitcoin--@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05 -!- andy-logbot [~bitcoin--@wpsoftware.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:05 * andy-logbot is logging 01:08 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, ha 01:13 -!- kyuupichan [~Neil@ae047235.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18 -!- OX3_ [~OX3@gateway-nat.fmrib.ox.ac.uk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:22 -!- jaekwon_ [~omni@75-101-96-71.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23 -!- wiretapped [~wiretappe@127.0.0.1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:24 < gmaxwell> boo ya 01:24 < gmaxwell> S_r[0..1] ∈ [0..67108863] 01:24 < gmaxwell> [2] ∈ [0..68157440] 01:24 < gmaxwell> [3..8] ∈ [0..67108863] 01:24 < gmaxwell> [9] ∈ [0..4194303] 01:31 < sipa> hmm? 01:31 < phantomcircuit> sipa, assuming he fixed the bug in frama-c 01:32 < gmaxwell> thats the ranges of the output r[] on the 'old' versions of secp256k1_fe_mul_inner (10x26) 01:32 < gmaxwell> the new one in pull 73 now is giving me 01:32 < gmaxwell> S_r[0..8] ∈ [0..67108863] 01:32 < gmaxwell> [9] ∈ [0..4194304] 01:32 -!- jtimon [~quassel@175.pool85-59-60.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:33 < sipa> odd! 01:33 -!- wiretapped [~wiretappe@127.0.0.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33 < sipa> 73 normalizes stronger? 01:33 < sipa> oh, the new version of 73 may 01:33 < gmaxwell> thats what value analysis is telling me. 01:34 < sipa> i haven't looked at that yet 01:34 < sipa> what does it say about the version in my opt-mul-sqr branch? (which contains an older version of 73) 01:34 < gmaxwell> fortunately now that I have it working its no effort to run it again. 01:34 -!- Graftec [~Graftec@127.0.0.1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:34 < gmaxwell> link me to the code? 01:35 -!- BananaLotus [~BananaLot@127.0.0.1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:35 < gmaxwell> the first numbers I gave were PR91. 01:35 < sipa> https://github.com/sipa/secp256k1/tree/opt-mul-sqr 01:35 -!- Graftec [~Graftec@127.0.0.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:35 -!- BananaLotus [~BananaLot@127.0.0.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36 < sipa> oh, opt-mul-sqr == pr91 01:36 < sipa> yeah, that's expected 01:36 < gmaxwell> yea. I was about to say. okay. 01:36 < sipa> interesting that 73 normalizes stronger 01:38 < gmaxwell> sqr in 73 is 01:38 < gmaxwell> S_r[0..8] ∈ [0..67108863] 01:38 < gmaxwell> [9] ∈ [0..4194304] 01:39 < sipa> should be the same as mul, indeed 01:40 -!- jaekwon_ [~omni@75-101-96-71.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:44 -!- BananaLotus [~BananaLot@gateway/tor-sasl/bananalotus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:45 -!- kefkius_ [~kefkius@gateway/tor-sasl/kefkius] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:45 -!- torsthaldo [~torsthald@unaffiliated/torsthaldo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:45 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@198.23.71.123-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has quit [Quit: bryanvu] 01:45 -!- kefkius_ is now known as kefkius 01:45 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@198.23.71.123-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:45 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:47 < gmaxwell> sipa: sadly, frama-c doesn't support the __int128, alas. 01:51 < sipa> gmaxwell: also sadly, the rewritten 32-bit version seems slower when effectively compiled for 32-bit host 01:52 < gmaxwell> yea, just saw that. weird. 01:52 < gmaxwell> well not a shocker, probably running out of registers? 01:52 < sipa> the new version should use less temporary values 01:53 < sipa> but maybe the long-term ones were already swapped out of registers on 32-bit 01:53 < sipa> and there are more short-term ones now 01:53 < gmaxwell> try it on arm? 01:54 * sipa has none 01:56 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@158pc208.sshunet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:02 -!- jaekwon_ [~omni@75-101-96-71.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:07 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@198.23.71.123-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has quit [Quit: bryanvu] 02:08 -!- tacotime [~mashkeys@198.52.200.63] has 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05:41 < sipa> cool 05:42 < sipa> feel free to submit when it's clean enough 05:42 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@2a02:8108:d00:870:9470:6d46:f547:9695] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:42 < andytoshi> cargo does not build from git HEAD right now, and i need a reasonably recent copy (i.e. not 2 months old) to do rust dev :/ 05:43 < andytoshi> there is something like 5 commits/hour in the rust world, it's just a probabilistic game when it works :) 05:45 -!- rdponticelli [~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/rdponticelli] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:46 -!- K1773R [~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:48 -!- austinhill [~Adium@c101-114.i07-26.onvol.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:52 -!- K1773R [~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:53 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:55 -!- Fistful_of_coins [~o3u@162.243.79.19] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:58 < kanzure> andytoshi: er, why don't they 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11:30 -!- nuke1989 [~nuke@ppp-2-87-134-254.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31 < cryptokeeper> who has some good documentation on side chains 11:31 < cryptokeeper> i know basics and thats it... want moar info 11:32 < andytoshi> cryptokeeper: the whitepaper is best documentation right now 11:32 < Luke-Jr> cryptokeeper: http://blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf 11:32 < cryptokeeper> thank you sirs 11:32 < cryptokeeper> after i am done studying my vmware shit i want to go over that 11:33 -!- nuke1989 [~nuke@ppp-2-87-134-254.home.otenet.gr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:43 -!- Baz__ [~Baz@modemcable147.31-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:45 -!- ebfull [~ebfull@c-76-120-40-34.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:49 < amiller> gandalf, the appendix B right now lays out a lot of good approaches but IMO more work is needed and its ongoing 11:50 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@142-254-47-220.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50 -!- Dizzle [~diesel@70.114.207.41] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:52 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@142-254-47-220.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:03 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktapinmybnfyuizj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:05 -!- woah [~woah@75-101-111-82.dedicated.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I have an open pull request that does the commitment mechanism 12:35 < maaku> and the scheme under consideration re-uses patricia trie stuff I've done for UTXO commitments 12:35 < maaku> using a heap structure that has been worked out, but still some work to be done in getting a reference implementation 12:38 < gandalf> sidechains will have a speed limit since they are blockchain based, are there any blockchain alternatives like maidsafe's transaction manager or Ripple? 12:38 -!- woah [~woah@63.92.242.185] has quit [Client Quit] 12:39 -!- spiftheninja [~spiftheni@173-20-237-20.client.mchsi.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:39 < maaku> everything has a speed limit. there are certainly plenty of opportunites for alternative architectures 12:39 < maaku> but those can be sidechains too 12:40 < maaku> you send bitcoin to a sidechain which understands the alt ledger achitecture, and works as a middleman 12:40 < gandalf> how does blockstream plan to make money on this? 12:40 < gandalf> 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hijack your traffic on a LAN 15:11 < justanotheruser> you shouldn't do it over LAN if thats a risk 15:12 < HM_> malware on your machine can connect to loopback... 15:13 < justanotheruser> If you hvave malware on your machine, none of this is an issue anyways 15:13 -!- Dr-G [~Dr-G@gateway/tor-sasl/dr-g] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:16 < HM_> your just a party pooper 15:16 < HM_> *you're 15:16 -!- patcon [~patcon@38.108.79.112] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:17 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:20 < gmaxwell> HM_: you should go implement SRP over secp256k1 and submit it to sipa's library. IIRC it can be implemented over any group where discrete log is hard. :P 15:21 < HM_> yes, but then you'd need your own custom transport protocol. 15:21 < HM_> since, I'm pretty sure TLS doesn't support mythical SRP-EC 15:22 < gmaxwell> HM_: not so, since you could authenticate the ssl session from within it. :) 15:22 < HM_> what would that even be called hmm... SRP-ECDSA? 15:22 < gmaxwell> ECSRP I guess. certantly not ECDSA, since there would be no DSA in it. 15:23 < HM_> but there's a method called SRP-DSS in the TLS spec 15:23 < gmaxwell> Yea, but almost nothing implements it. 15:23 < HM_> yeah, i was looking at the wiki page 15:23 < gmaxwell> And god knows anything that does is probably even more buggy than everything that implements TLS already is. 15:24 < HM_> perhaps 15:24 < HM_> SRP is easier to verify than anything using certificates 15:25 < gmaxwell> yea, I like that you brought it up. we've talked before about having authenticated peerings for the p2p protocol with some custom encrypted transport before... supporting SPR natively would be nice. (e.g. your choice of asymetric key or SRP auth) 15:25 < HM_> SPR? 15:26 < gmaxwell> typo 15:27 < HM_> the major problem with SRP is you still need a protocol for registration, and some out of band authentication method so you can trust the server while you register your username and password 15:27 < HM_> like a CA 15:28 < gmaxwell> sure, SRP is no silver bullet by any means, it just basically makes any case where you'd use a password better. 15:28 < HM_> in that respect it's not much better than trusting a CA and then pinning the certificate 15:28 < HM_> oh absolutely 15:29 -!- OX3 [~OX3@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:30 < HM_> I've been writing a toy echo server using TLS-SRP + GnuTLS before I consider integrating it in to some other projects 15:30 < gmaxwell> part of the recent SRP hasn't been adopted is because lucent was patent-fuding it and all other password based key exchange schemes; but the patents lucent was abusing for that have now expired (and didn't apply to SRP anyways, but whatever) 15:30 -!- aburan28 [~ubuntu@static-108-45-93-85.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30 < HM_> Afaict the only broadly workable alternative is local binding + SSH 15:31 < gmaxwell> HM_: why not write a bitcoind rpc wrapper? I'd like to get TLS out of the daemon entirely. E.g. it could run in a seperate process. would make supporting things like SRP easier. 15:31 < HM_> or something like libssh 15:32 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, seems like pretty much everything except for the consensus code should be moved into a separate process 15:32 < HM_> gmaxwell, and locally bind plaintext? 15:32 -!- aburan28 [~ubuntu@static-108-45-93-85.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:32 < HM_> world <--tcp/tls --> wrapper <-- tcp/clean --> bitcoind 15:34 < HM_> I'm not sure if that's wise if you move the authentication to the wrapper 15:34 < gmaxwell> HM_: it could even be a unix domain socket or whatever between bitcoind and the wrapper. The rational would be to get the huge attack surface of TLS out of the daemon. You can use stunnel for this already, but it doesn't get you things like SRP support. 15:36 < HM_> sure, socketpair and execve 15:36 < HM_> no idea about how you'd go about it on Windows though 15:38 -!- moa [~kiwigb@opentransactions/dev/moa] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:39 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:40 -!- austinhill [~Adium@c101-114.i07-26.onvol.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:41 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:44 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, would probably be easier to add srp to stunnel than bitcoind though :P 15:45 -!- austinhill [~Adium@c101-114.i07-26.onvol.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45 < HM_> he has a point, stunnel relies on openssl, which implements srp as of 1.0.1 15:45 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:46 < HM_> https://www.stunnel.org/versions.html <-- this scares me 15:46 < gmaxwell> not interested in adding any anything to bitcoind atm. I would like to have an alternative P2P transport that support auth/encrypt (and doesn't use TLS because TLS is a huge attack vector). But thats seperate. 15:46 < moa> gnuTLS 15:46 < gmaxwell> all TLS implementations are a disaster, some know it better than others. 15:47 < moa> ha 15:47 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:47 < moa> whatever gets the job done sometimes 15:47 < phantomcircuit> moa, gnutls was a decent idea poorly implemented 15:47 < phantomcircuit> the docs were wrong until recently 15:47 < moa> just throwing another option into the mix 15:49 < HM_> having used gnutls today, i'll take it over openssl anyday 15:49 < phantomcircuit> i would bet that libressl will be the best implementation (if it's not already) 15:49 < HM_> botan supports SRP apparently 15:49 < moa> " I would like to have an alternative P2P transport that support auth/encrypt (and doesn't use TLS because TLS is a huge attack vector). But thats seperate." <---- but this sounds great 15:50 < HM_> if you want respect the only realistic alternative is SSH 15:50 < HM_> the only 3rd option i know of is zeromq's curvecp based transport 15:50 < HM_> and i'm not sure i'd take that seriously yet 15:51 < gmaxwell> nonsense. 15:51 < HM_> which bit? 15:51 < gmaxwell> (The SSH transport has also had a bad history too; including some long standing nasty exploitable vulnerabilties) 15:51 < moa> shhh 15:52 < gmaxwell> All of them suffer from too much flexibility. 15:52 < phantomcircuit> my favorite is environment variables transfered over ssh 15:52 < phantomcircuit> which is just bizarre 15:52 < moa> but really cool and useful 15:53 < phantomcircuit> how is that useful? 15:53 < moa> for taking control of remote machines that is 15:53 < HM_> gmaxwell, then maybe this is closer to your desired transport http://curvezmq.org/page:read-the-docs 15:55 < moa> IPSec? 15:55 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:55 < phantomcircuit> moa, ipsec == nasty 15:55 < gmaxwell> HM_: I'm familar with it. We already have a MACed transport in bitcoin, it's just unkeyed. 15:56 < HM_> moa, Ipsec solves no real world problems 15:56 < moa> but gets lots of use nontheless ... pick your posion 15:57 -!- crowex [~crowex@88-106-107-166.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:57 < HM_> bah, why the smeg did the zeromq guys factor out their secure protocol to libcurve if it depends on libzmq 15:58 < gmaxwell> moa: not really, a very very narrow subset of IPSEC gets used. (basically for point to point tunnels) It's really highly inapplicable to anything application level. 15:58 < HM_> it even depends on their C binding :S 15:58 < phantomcircuit> moa, afaict ipsec is only used because it's free on cisco equipment vs their ssl vpn 15:58 < gmaxwell> HM_: no shock there. 15:58 < phantomcircuit> i would bet that's like 99% of use 15:59 < HM_> i tried setting up IPSec/L2TP tunneling, it was a nightmare....ended up just using OpenVPN... then i realised that sucked too and just use SSH + SOCKS these days when on the road 15:59 < moa> right, but cisco routers are a big deal 15:59 < HM_> good old ssh -D 15:59 < HM_> so I leak DNS, meh 15:59 < moa> so total traffic on IPsec is not small 16:00 -!- Dr-G2 [~Dr-G@gateway/tor-sasl/dr-g] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- Dr-G2 [~Dr-G@gateway/tor-sasl/dr-g] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:01 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:03 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:09 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:10 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:12 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@CPE-69-23-221-39.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:13 < HM_> gmaxwell, isn't the crux of the problem that bitcoind is both a blockchain information server and a user wallet manager? 16:14 -!- woah [~woah@75-101-111-82.dedicated.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:14 < HM_> i don't think moving SSL out of the daemon makes any sense until there's nothing sensitive flowing to and from it 16:14 < phantomcircuit> HM_, sort of 16:15 < phantomcircuit> the daemon is sensitive 16:15 < phantomcircuit> the consensus state is itself sensitive, doubly so if you have a wallet that trusts it 16:16 < gmaxwell> HM_: lol sort of the opposite. SSL should be out of it because SSL is an epic failure security disaster n-times in the running. 16:16 < HM_> but authentication is another matter. 16:16 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16 < gmaxwell> Really the RPC is intended to be used locally, the SSL is not a default thing; and is a PITA to setup. 16:17 < HM_> there's "am i authorized to use this wallet" user auth, and then there's "i am the blockchain/consensus thingy you want to trust" auth between the client and the daemon 16:17 < gmaxwell> "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." 16:18 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, it's good that ssl is annoying to setup 16:18 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:18 < phantomcircuit> otherwise people would try to use it on public interfaces 16:18 < HM_> I take it bitcoind can't run as a Windows system service for instance, and then expect different users to be able to use the GUI to use their wallets? 16:19 < phantomcircuit> HM_, not today, maybe soon 16:19 < HM_> cool 16:19 < gmaxwell> HM_: have you like.. not ever used the software? 16:19 < HM_> not for like... 2 years? 16:19 < gmaxwell> the "GUI" is not a front end on it, its a monolithic program, and an either or today. 16:20 < gmaxwell> Seperation will probably result in the wallet being made a SPV client to the daemon, so there is less of an authentication issue there. 16:20 -!- bobke_ [~bobke@d54C6F5E8.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:20 < HM_> sure, so authentication is implicit in being able to decrypt the wallet db 16:21 -!- bobke [~bobke@d54C6F5E8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:22 < HM_> It doesn't sound like you're going to need anything protecting the RPC at that point unless you want to be able to issue shutdown commands. 16:22 < HM_> or mess with peers, like trusted or preferred peers. 16:23 < gmaxwell> which RPC are you talking about there? Because if the wallet were seperate there would be two rpcs. 16:23 < HM_> why? 16:23 < gmaxwell> ... 16:23 < gmaxwell> Because 90% of the things people do with the RPC is talk to the wallet. 16:24 < HM_> right, but why do you need an RPC between the GUI and the wallet, that can be monolithic? 16:24 < HM_> (or compiled against a library) 16:25 < phantomcircuit> HM_, wallet communicates with full node using p2p protocol as an spv client 16:25 < gmaxwell> sure that would be but ... surprise there are a great many people who use bitcoin that are not using the GUI. ... uh like every single merchant service. 16:25 < kanzure> separation of concerns, there's no reason for a wallet frontend to have to strongly consider p2p protocol stuff, for example 16:25 < phantomcircuit> you would authenticate that connection 16:25 < gmaxwell> HM_: I've enjoyed your contribtions in the past but like.. come on, actually use the software please. Testnet coins are free. 16:25 < phantomcircuit> doing that the security of the spv wallet is equal to that of a full node wallet 16:26 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:27 < HM_> Why would a merchant service need an RPC if they were using a 'libwallet' library that let them interact safely with encrypted wallets and establish connections to the daemon? 16:27 < HM_> effectively you put the client library in to all your nodes 16:28 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:28 -!- woah [~woah@75-101-111-82.dedicated.static.sonic.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:29 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:31 < HM_> oh I see, SPVs communicate via the P2P protocol to get block headers 16:31 < HM_> no I was referring to the 'trusted peer' model for client-server separation 16:33 -!- jaekwon_ [~omni@75-101-96-71.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:34 < gmaxwell> HM_: there isn't a great reason to introduce yet another externally visible protocol, we already have a client protocol... one that tends to have pretty good security properties. 16:34 < gmaxwell> e.g. even a malicious server can only do so much to it. 16:34 < HM_> another protocol? 16:35 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:35 -!- gmaxwell [greg@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 16:36 < HM_> Wallet on disk <---> user GUI <--- RPC --> bitcoind <-----> P2P network is what I was suggesting, so the user interface trusts bitcoind entirely 16:36 < HM_> no SPV 16:39 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:40 < phantomcircuit> user GUI <--- RPC --> bitcoind 16:40 < phantomcircuit> nooooo 16:40 < HM_> i think you're suggesting you put authentication in to the P2P network so people can run SPV and decide set which nodes to trust with confidence? 16:41 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:41 < HM_> phantomcircuit, why not? 16:44 < phantomcircuit> HM_, authenticated spv 16:44 < phantomcircuit> limit trust between components without significant additional cost 16:44 < phantomcircuit> simply the system, dont complicate it 16:45 -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:45 < moa> simplify? 16:45 < phantomcircuit> reduce complexity 16:45 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45 < phantomcircuit> modularize 16:46 < phantomcircuit> magicify 16:46 < phantomcircuit> etc 16:46 < moa> awesome 16:46 < moa> consultants gotta make a living too though 16:47 -!- altoz [~altoz@cpe-24-55-50-180.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:48 < HM_> phantomcircuit, so if I want to integrate bitcoin payments in to a game right now, I have to put my private key in to bitcoinds hands and then use the RPC 16:48 < HM_> (or use a 3rd party payment solution) 16:48 < HM_> how is that a simplification? 16:48 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:48 -!- woah [~woah@75-101-111-82.dedicated.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:49 < moa> what's a perfectly good protocol without additional layers of kruft and jargon to make it "user-friendly" and "human-readable"? ... probably worthless 16:50 -!- mkarrer_ [~mkarrer@213.Red-88-26-80.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:51 < phantomcircuit> HM_, you're taking the wallet code out of bitcoind 16:51 < HM_> phantomcircuit, yup 16:51 < HM_> what's it needed in there for? bloom filtering? 16:52 < phantomcircuit> but that allows you to then go and remove additional code in bitcoind which basically only exists to support the wallet code 16:52 < HM_> sounds good? 16:52 < phantomcircuit> it is good 16:53 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mcbcosmccceekvmv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:53 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@213.Red-88-26-80.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:55 -!- OX3 [~OX3@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55 -!- llllllllll [~lllllllll@53-109.bbned.dsl.internl.net] has quit [] 16:55 -!- patcon [~patcon@38.108.79.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:55 < HM_> the insinuation right now is that SPV clients are light enough to embed everywhere 16:55 -!- OX3_ [~OX3@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:55 < HM_> i don't think that's the case 16:55 -!- mkarrer_ [~mkarrer@141.33.133.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:56 -!- austinhill [~Adium@c101-114.i07-26.onvol.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:56 -!- crowex [~crowex@88-106-107-166.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56 < HM_> if i have an Android game that takes payments for things, i'm not going to embed an SPV client in to it... i'll just go use Googles payment solution 16:57 -!- mkarrer__ [~mkarrer@213.Red-88-26-80.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:57 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@213.Red-88-26-80.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57 < maaku> HM_: why would you have an SPV client in the game? 16:57 < maaku> there should be an SPV client running on the phone, yes, with a service API exposed to the game 16:59 < HM_> exactly 17:00 < maaku> maybe i'm confused. that counts as embedding in my book (it's on the device) 17:00 -!- OX3_ [~OX3@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:01 -!- mkarrer_ [~mkarrer@141.33.133.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:01 < HM_> Google don't make to talk HTTP to use In-app billing 17:01 < HM_> the SPV client isn't an app on a phone, it's a system service 17:02 < HM_> alternatively run it on a remote machine and authenticate to it 17:02 < HM_> (e.g. a full node) 17:02 -!- nuke1989 [~nuke@ppp-2-87-134-254.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:02 < HM_> that way it doesn't need to eat battery 17:03 < HM_> my tuppence anyway 17:07 < HM_> not everyone keeps their PC on 24/7 like me ;) but i quite like the idea of my phone using SPV while i'm on the move but a home run full-node while I'm connected to my home wifi 17:08 < HM_> you can't do that right now without toggling the trusted peer settings in Andreas's app 17:08 < HM_> and that doesn't offer any solution to other apps on your phone 17:16 < HM_> ...meh 17:16 < HM_> apparently Andreas does have a library 17:21 -!- woah [~woah@75-101-111-82.dedicated.static.sonic.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:22 -!- adam3us [~Adium@c31-67.i07-8.onvol.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:24 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:304:cff8:1580:a548:94c3:e308:349b] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:24 < HM_> oh well, i guess I need to go away and read :P 17:24 -!- nuke1989 [~nuke@ppp-2-87-134-254.home.otenet.gr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:26 -!- jaekwon_ [~omni@75-101-96-71.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:34 -!- KingCoin [~KingCoin@unaffiliated/kingcoin] has quit [Quit: KingCoin] 17:44 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@CPE-69-23-221-39.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:46 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:46 -!- Aquent1 [~Aquent@gateway/tor-sasl/aquent] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:54 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:57 -!- Aquent1 [~Aquent@gateway/tor-sasl/aquent] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:01 -!- ryanxcharles [~ryan@162.245.22.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:03 -!- OneNomos [~textual@pool-71-163-233-84.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:08 -!- aburan28 [~ubuntu@static-108-45-93-85.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:08 -!- torsthaldo [~torsthald@unaffiliated/torsthaldo] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:14 < tacotime> etlase finally released his whitepaper http://www.decrits.net/decrits-consensus.pdf 18:14 -!- penny [~linker@118.68.216.188] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:14 -!- penny is now known as Guest69779 18:15 < tacotime> i still don't comprehend it 18:16 -!- Guest3595 [~linker@118.69.162.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:18 < kanzure> this proposal looks like one that was thoroughly debunked in here 18:18 < kanzure> regarding some set of signers that collude and knowing the state of all blockchains or something 18:19 < tacotime> "Like Bitcoin’s genesis block, the Decrits software will contain a genesis CB that contains a list of public keys in the VL representing the initial Voices of the network. In lieu of anonymous POW, these Voices are tasked with creating and protecting the network history." 18:19 < tacotime> um... hm. 18:19 < kanzure> yeah this is in the logs somewhere. 18:20 < tacotime> the original thread is long and somewhat incomprehensible https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189239.0 18:21 < tacotime> and features epic keyboard battles between anonymint and etlase 18:22 < moa> who are possibly the person? 18:22 < moa> the same person 18:22 -!- aburan28 [~ubuntu@static-108-45-93-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:22 < tacotime> moa: that seems like a reasonable conclusion 18:26 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1018:c0f5:95c8:adbf:854b:5d80] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:31 < moa> who's doing the work on putting uxto hash in block headers? ... and is there a github branch or similar yet? 18:33 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@CPE-69-23-221-39.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:34 < moa> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=204283.0 ... this? 18:47 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:304:cff8:1580:d99f:e561:1600:1eef] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:59 < maaku> moa: me, when I have time to work on it 18:59 < maaku> (raised funds ran out, have some support from blockstream to do this, but not a priority) 18:59 < maaku> re code, there's a hashmap branch on my github that needs rebasing 19:00 < maaku> and some rework with lessons learnt 19:01 < moa> maaku: ah, thanks thought so ... this is related also https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3977 ? 19:01 < maaku> yes that is the commitment mechanism I'd prefer 19:01 < maaku> results in deterministic overhead in proof size 19:03 < maaku> i separated it out because there are other proposals which benefit from it, e.g. appdx b of the sidechains paper 19:03 < moa> i see 19:05 < moa> interesting stuff 19:05 < maaku> seems like it needs a rebase; i'll do that now 19:05 < moa> i'll take it for a test drive 19:11 -!- aburan28 [~ubuntu@static-108-45-93-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11 < maaku> #3977 i mean 19:11 < maaku> the hashmap stuff is unfinished 19:13 < moa> yep 19:23 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@41.120-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@41.120-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:26 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:28 -!- iddo [~idddo@csm.cs.technion.ac.il] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:31 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:32 -!- woah [~woah@75-101-111-82.dedicated.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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