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Isn't that dangerous to consensus, because newcomers will have a different scoring metric than existing nodes? 10:53 < gavinandresen> Taek: can’t get into it right now, busy with other things… ping me in a few days 10:53 < Taek> sure 10:54 -!- jaekwon [~omni@75-101-96-71.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:56 -!- BananaLotus [~BananaLot@irc.maza.club] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:57 -!- orik [~orik@remote.snococpa.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:58 -!- jaekwon [~omni@75-101-96-71.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:01 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yvdhzqysxgfuxiol] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:02 -!- orperelman [~wboy@bzq-79-180-55-153.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:02 -!- orperelman [~wboy@bzq-79-180-55-153.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:04 -!- Dizzle [~diesel@70.114.207.41] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:09 -!- postpre [~rs232@184.7.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:10 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12 -!- altoz [~altoz@cpe-24-55-50-180.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:12 -!- prepost [~rs232@se2x.mullvad.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:13 -!- postpre [~rs232@184.7.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:16 -!- sneak [~sneak@unaffiliated/sneak] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:17 -!- sneak [~sneak@2a01:4f8:141:ffc:24e9:bbe:4d89:b38] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:17 -!- sneak [~sneak@2a01:4f8:141:ffc:24e9:bbe:4d89:b38] has quit [Changing host] 11:17 -!- sneak [~sneak@unaffiliated/sneak] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:17 -!- torsthaldo [~torsthald@unaffiliated/torsthaldo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:18 -!- altoz [~altoz@cpe-24-55-50-180.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:19 -!- torsthaldo [~torsthald@unaffiliated/torsthaldo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:28 -!- luny` [~luny@unaffiliated/luny] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:28 -!- nuke1989 [~nuke@ppp-2-87-148-81.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29 -!- zooko [~user@c-75-70-204-109.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:31 -!- luny [~luny@unaffiliated/luny] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:32 -!- orperelman [~wboy@bzq-79-180-55-153.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:32 -!- orw [~orw@bzq-79-177-186-73.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:32 -!- orperelman [~wboy@bzq-79-180-55-153.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:33 -!- orw is now known as xabbix 11:33 -!- xabbix [~orw@bzq-79-177-186-73.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:33 -!- xabbix [~orw@unaffiliated/xabbix] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:35 -!- luny`` [~luny@unaffiliated/luny] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:39 -!- luny` [~luny@unaffiliated/luny] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:40 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:304:cff8:1580:ac14:6d4f:1e04:800c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:41 -!- luny` [~luny@unaffiliated/luny] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:43 -!- luny [~luny@unaffiliated/luny] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:43 -!- AnoAnon [~AnoAnon@197.37.113.112] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:44 -!- AnoAnon [~AnoAnon@197.37.113.112] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:45 -!- luny`` [~luny@unaffiliated/luny] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:46 -!- luny` [~luny@unaffiliated/luny] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:52 -!- Dizzle [~diesel@70.114.207.41] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:58 -!- Pierre_Rochard [~Pierre@199.21.149.49] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:03 -!- Sub|zzz is now known as SubCreative 12:03 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-waguaaogwyyjkoqz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:05 < nsh> context is: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/10/03/slasher-ghost-developments-proof-stake/ ? 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20:51 < manaka> also i am having some trouble understanding the counterparty protocol, are there papers on that? 20:52 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:53 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@li450-236.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:54 -!- gwillen is now known as Guest32116 20:54 < justanotheruser> manaka: does counterparty use zkps? 20:54 < justanotheruser> oh, thats separate 20:54 < manaka> lol i don't think so 20:54 < manaka> yeah 20:54 < manaka> that would be something 20:54 < manaka> i do not know of any zkp implementation on bitcoin at the moment. 20:56 -!- bit2017 [~linker@113.23.8.112] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:58 < justanotheruser> manaka: https://people.xiph.org/~greg/simple_verifyable_execution.txt 20:59 < justanotheruser> I'm guessing you want that 20:59 -!- coiner [~linker@113.23.8.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:59 < gmaxwell> manaka: a regular digital signature is a 20:59 < justanotheruser> for counterparty, you probably want their whitepaper 20:59 < gmaxwell> zero knowledge proof. 20:59 < justanotheruser> I don't understand very well what counterparty accomplishes though 21:00 < manaka> me neither 21:00 < gmaxwell> manaka: it proves you know a secret without you learning anything about its secret. 21:00 < manaka> i believe it provides a utility of buying lots of issued tokens with the counterparty token. 21:00 < justanotheruser> counterparty, not zkp gmaxwell 21:00 < manaka> but in p2p networks there will always be a possibility for information leakeage gmaxwell 21:01 < manaka> else zkp only proves something exists, i just don't see how useful it can be 21:01 < gmaxwell> justanotheruser: I was responding to the first question. The second is almost completely uninteresting. :) 21:01 < justanotheruser> oh, how zkps are implemented in bitcoin... 21:02 < manaka> yeah 21:02 < manaka> use cases for it 21:02 < gmaxwell> manaka: The whole idea of a _zero knowledge_ proof is that there is no leakage. (of course something could implement the protocol wrong or have other software bugs, or a sloppy user or...) 21:03 < gmaxwell> The wikipedia article gives a reasonable overview of the high level concept. 21:05 < manaka> thanks gmaxwell 21:05 < manaka> in your opinion gmaxwell do you think a dht/blockchain hybrid could exist? 21:06 < manaka> or mini blockchain on several subsets of a decentralized hash table? 21:06 < manaka> i just don't think proofs inside a blockchain will ever match the speed of a dht 21:07 < gmaxwell> hm? a blockchain can be seen as a kind of DHT, a D1HT (one hop hash table). This form has the best possible performance. 21:08 < justanotheruser> lol 21:08 < gmaxwell> But, importantly to us, it's also pretty much toe only form of 'dht' that has a real security story in an adversarial model _at all_. 21:08 < gmaxwell> justanotheruser: you think I kid, google the term. :) people write research papers even on things as simple as that. 21:10 < justanotheruser> gmaxwell: this is a bit of a speculative question, but do you think it likely that a zkp will be made that is less computationally intensive than a snark? 21:10 < gmaxwell> (well, it's strictly true that its the only form with a security story, the DHT systems like freenet and CJDNS that have a "friends only" topology, have attack resistance too.. but their usability is poor) 21:10 < gmaxwell> justanotheruser: less expensive in what respect? 21:11 < justanotheruser> gmaxwell: creation 21:12 -!- koshii [~0@node-ax3.pool-101-108.dynamic.totbb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:13 < gmaxwell> Well the scipr lab folks latest paper is somewhat cheaper for the prover... and lays the groundwork perhaps for further optimizations. The slowness in libsnark (and later work) mostly comes from having perform costly cryptographic operations per element in a circuit describing the function from very primitive parts (e.g. basic boolean or arithemetic gates). 21:14 < gmaxwell> Presumably ZKPs can be created in the same cryptographic framework that do more work per element, and thus could be faster to evaluate. 21:14 < Luke-Jr> justanotheruser: fast verification is more interesting IMO :p 21:14 < gmaxwell> verification is already quite fast. 21:14 < Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: fast enough we can softfork it into bitcoin in the next year? 21:15 < justanotheruser> Luke-Jr: fast and small proofs seem to done 21:15 < justanotheruser> *be done 21:15 < gmaxwell> maybe? there are other barriers than performance though. e.g. the field is not settled on parameters. The latest work requires a different family of curves specially constructed for them which you'd otherwise not prefer (slower in software). 21:16 < justanotheruser> Assuming they're secure. I am wondering about something an average computer could create. 21:16 < gmaxwell> justanotheruser: an average computer can create proofs with the libsnark stuff. At least of small programs like running sha256 64 times. (they apparently have proofs of that taking 30 seconds to create). 21:18 -!- woah [~woah@199-241-202-232.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Announce the winning block, and then have some specialized party create proof? 21:20 -!- todaystomorrow [~me@d114-78-100-23.bla803.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:20 -!- LarsLarsen [~lars@50.161.197.33] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:20 -!- todaystomorrow [~me@d114-78-122-114.bla803.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:21 < gmaxwell> presumably justanotheruser wants to tie it to mining, but I don't really see a reason to do that. 21:23 < justanotheruser> gmaxwell: I assume it would be tied to mining anyways since a proof should be faster to verify than a block which increases a miners earnings. 21:26 -!- bit2017 [~linker@113.23.8.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:27 < gmaxwell> nah, blocks are stupidly fast to verify assuming you're connected to the network. 21:27 < gmaxwell> Since you'll have already verified all the transactions already. 21:27 < gmaxwell> and you still need the data since you'll need it to construct a block spending outputs from the prior block. 21:28 < justanotheruser> hmm 21:28 < gmaxwell> though sure maybe the logical extension I've suggested before. ... where you never even disclose the transactions, just the final utxo set state.... 21:29 < justanotheruser> at the very least, you would have full node security with a thin client as soon as a block comes out 21:29 < gmaxwell> e.g. miner proves "I started with the state of the prior block, applied an unspecified number of permitted transactions, and ended up with this final utxo set state. 21:31 < gmaxwell> justanotheruser: then thin clients could pay people to publish proofs... but really, some number of seconds delay is hardly that interesting... after all 1conf transactions are not irreverable in any case, so your security there is limited by reorgs not the risk if invalid blocks (unless you're talking very high value txn, in which case paying someone to run a full node and create the proofs doesn't seem like a big burden to me) 21:32 < justanotheruser> yeah, it doesn't seem that important for miners to create the proofs unless they want this very small relay time improvement 21:33 < gmaxwell> well in the model where all the tx data are forever hidden it makes sense because utxo that are born and die within a block never need to be visible to history. 21:34 -!- LarsLarsen [~lars@50.161.197.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36 -!- kgk_ [~kgk@173-8-166-105-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:36 -!- kgk_ [~kgk@173-8-166-105-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:37 -!- bosma [~bosma@S01067cb21bda6531.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:37 -!- LarsLarsen [~lars@50.161.197.33] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:39 -!- Guest32116 [~gwillen@li450-236.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:39 -!- Guest32116 [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:39 -!- Guest32116 is now known as gwillen 21:40 -!- bitbumper [~bitbumper@197.115.124.24.cm.sunflower.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:48 -!- jb55 [~jb55@S0106f46d049a0b83.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:50 < Taek> they don't need to be visible to history unless the proof creation requires knowing the entire history, which I imagine would be true 21:52 -!- woah [~woah@199-241-202-232.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:53 < gmaxwell> Taek: no, they don't need to be visible to history unconditionally. 21:53 < gmaxwell> As you already have the proof for that block. 21:55 -!- bosma [~bosma@S01067cb21bda6531.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:56 < Taek> but, when you are trying to figure out the next block, and you have block boxes behind you, how can you be sure that you aren't spending something that was already spent in one of the black boxes? You can create a proof based off of prior proofs? 21:56 < Taek> I guess it could be possible. 21:57 < manaka> have you guys checked out the zero hop distributed hash table?http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6569861&queryText%3DDistributed+hash+table 21:58 -!- jb55 [~jb55@S0106f46d049a0b83.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59 -!- jb55 [~jb55@S0106f46d049a0b83.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:01 < gmaxwell> Taek: because you know the final utxo state. 22:01 < gmaxwell> If a utxo exists you can spend it, otherwise you can't. 22:02 < Taek> oh right not so magical at all 22:03 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kabknnceiprierkf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 22:10 -!- samson_ [~samson_@183.89.170.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10 -!- samson_ [~samson_@183.89.170.130] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:13 -!- heath [~ybit@131.252.130.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:14 -!- heath [~ybit@131.252.130.248] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:24 -!- todaystomorrow [~me@d114-78-122-114.bla803.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:27 -!- manaka [835ebaa0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.94.186.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:28 -!- zooko` [~user@174-16-237-135.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:32 -!- todaystomorrow [~me@d114-78-122-114.bla803.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:35 -!- coiner [~linker@113.161.87.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:58 -!- bit2017 [~linker@113.161.87.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:00 -!- coiner [~linker@113.161.87.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:01 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:01 -!- lclc_bnc is now known as lclc 23:02 -!- jb55 [~jb55@S0106f46d049a0b83.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05 -!- Baz__ [~Baz@modemcable147.31-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05 -!- Baz__ [~Baz@modemcable147.31-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:06 -!- Starduster [~Guest@unaffiliated/starduster] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:07 -!- todaystomorrow [~me@d114-78-122-114.bla803.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:08 -!- todaystomorrow [~me@d114-78-122-114.bla803.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:20 -!- woah [~woah@199-241-202-232.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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