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12:20 < azariah4> reading http://www.gwern.net/Self-decrypting%20files and thinking about time-lock puzzles vs trusted agents
12:21 < azariah4> seems it should be possible to take a trusted agent approach and combine it with 2/2 bitcoin multisig to reduce the counterparty risk a bit
12:22 < azariah4> e.g. a web service which helps a user generate a key in JS in their browser, then encrypt its privkey with a password, back that up
12:22 < azariah4> and abstract to the user the creation of a 2/2 multisig P2SH address, which the service would only co-sign spending if time X is in the past
12:23 < azariah4> has anyone done a prototype of that yet?
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12:30 < MRL-Relay> [othe] isnt that how greenaddress.it works?
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12:50 < azariah4> oh damn, they do have that feature too! thanks!
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14:50 < gmaxwell> May be of some minor interest around here; intel has a developer special and is selling xeon-phi cards for under $200. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8648220
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15:10 < HM> teraflop of floating point number crunching
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15:25 < gmaxwell> really phi's floating point is not the omst interesting part; it has much stronger/wider integer units than AFAIK anything else. E.g. it can do something like 2 trillion 32bit interger multiplies per second.
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15:43 < maaku> if only I had the time to play with it :(
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16:23 < Luke-Jr> if we can get 10 people in on it, looks like they can be down to $125
16:23 < Luke-Jr> http://www.colfax-intl.com/nd/xeonphi/31s1p-promo.aspx
16:25 < Luke-Jr> hm, any ideas on free sw compatibility of these?
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16:29 < phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, designed to work on linux
16:29 < phantomcircuit> iirc open source drivers
16:29 < phantomcircuit> be warned they're designed for server chasis and need external fans
16:32 < phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, id go in on 1
16:44 < Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: it says passively cooled :x
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16:48 < phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, it's designed for a server chassis which is basically a wind tunnel
16:49 < MRL-Relay> [othe] a few Delta server fans and u have enough wind
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17:23 < Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: hmm, so it might not just work in my desktop PC? :x
17:24 < phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, depends
17:24 < phantomcircuit> are you willing to screw with the fans to get lots of airflow
17:24 < Luke-Jr> lol
17:24 < Luke-Jr> let's just say dmesg reports my CPUs overheating regularly?
17:24 < Luke-Jr> CPU cores*
17:25 < Luke-Jr> hmm, actually it seems it hasn't happened recently :o
17:25 < Luke-Jr> [547991.630805] CPU4: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 155686)
17:25 < Luke-Jr> there it is
17:25 < Luke-Jr> I should probably try redoing the thermal stuff, but meh
17:26 < Luke-Jr> as long as it's catching it and not frying, I can live
17:26 < fenn> 270W is also a relatively large load on your PSU
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17:27 < phantomcircuit> fenn, shrug
17:27 < Luke-Jr> well, I probably would be taking out a radeon to make room for it
17:27 < op_null> fenn: not much more than a GPU, but GPUs have their own fans.
17:27 < Luke-Jr> one of mine is getting noisy anyway
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17:35 < Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: hm, apparently it can only do like 260 Mh/s - doesn't suggest the IOPs are *that* much better?
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17:51 < gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: hard to say, sha256 on radeon is as fast as it is partially due to luck, and a lot of optimization. I doubt anyone has tried hard to get sha256 going fast on it. There are some irregularities in the simd instruction set that might hurt performance for some applications even though the raw mul throughput is so impressive.
17:52 < Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: https://github.com/kiyominer/cpuminer/commit/bfdf1cc3f53787050caeed101ee8c822aeac87fe looks like a reasonable attempt
17:52 < Luke-Jr> they used the 256-bit ints at least
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17:57 < gmaxwell> s/256-bit/512-bit/
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18:32 < Luke-Jr> right
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19:33 < kanzure> fenn: "The brave new world of bodacious assumptions in cryptography" http://www.ams.org/notices/201003/rtx100300357p.pdf
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19:38 < kanzure> haha "In the second place, cryptographic protocols are not developed and marketed in the real world unless they have been approved by certain industrial-standards bodies and you know who."
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19:52 < gmaxwell> Nice paper.
19:54 < kanzure> "unless they have been approved by certain industrial-standards bodies" who thinks this way?
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19:55 < kanzure> like "the part of reality that does not involve standards bodies does not exist"?
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19:55 < kanzure> oh well, not a big deal
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19:59 < gmaxwell> kanzure: Well it's largely the case, and for reasonable cause considering the amount of broken stuff that shows up. (well. seems 'standards bodies' hardly help)  It really is that case that the overwhelming majority of cryptosystems proposed in academic lit never see the light of day.
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20:00 < kanzure> i am upset that i have to pay $xxx per pdf from iso.org
20:01 < fenn> ISO is "international" whereas NIST is "national"
20:01 < kanzure> (just unrelated ranting)
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20:14 < BlueMatt> kanzure: hide a rpi in your local university of choice, use that as a proxy for academic journal access
20:14 < BlueMatt> generally they will ip-whitelist university ips once they pay
20:15 < fenn> iso standards are different, not ip-based, you actually have to pay per download
20:15 < fenn> it's not cheap; something like $10k for a complete cad format standard
20:16 < fenn> or a few hundred for just the parts you're interested in
20:18 < kanzure> i have many shells at many places and i really haven't seen one that has access to iso.org
20:18 < kanzure> BlueMatt: https://github.com/kanzure/ezproxy-urls/blob/master/urls.txt
20:18 < kanzure> (these are not shells, of course)
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20:21 < Qfwfq> That's pretty sweet.
20:22 < BlueMatt> kanzure: if you're looking for proxies that require login creds to get access to papers, there's also *.libproxy.lib.unc.edu
20:22 < Qfwfq> The problem with the university hack is that you usually need to punch a NAT for remote access, I've.. uh.. heard.. running SSH as a Tor hidden service can help work around that. Other reverse proxying solutions might be helpful too.
20:22 < kanzure> wow how did i forget about unc.edu
20:23 < Qfwfq> Incidentally, I mapped out Tor exit nodes with JSTOR access about a week ago, and I've been meaning to extend that to other providers.
20:23 < BlueMatt> naaa, unc issues public ips for anything conencted to the network (which will only dhcp if it has its mac reg'd)
20:24 < Qfwfq> That's pretty generous.
20:24 < BlueMatt> but, aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff was reg'd last I checked
20:26 < Qfwfq> kanzure: How'd you find all those endpoints, out of curiosity?
20:27 < kanzure> a few ways,
20:27 < kanzure> first, it is somewhat common knowledge that all universities are part of the OCLC conspiracy
20:28 < kanzure> second, various <strike>forums</strike> bbs in china and iran share ezproxy urls around
20:28 < kanzure> third, permutation and reverse engineering
20:28 < Qfwfq> Cool.
20:30 < gwillen> I have an account on a machine in the CMU IP range, which sometimes works for getting papers
20:30 < kanzure> gwillen: soon i will be asking you to contribute that to https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/paperbot/ezproxy.py and another thing that i haven't pushed yet
20:30 < kanzure> (i don't mean via a commit of course)
20:30 < gwillen> (totally legit account on a totally legit machine, even ... it probably shouldn't be on the access list for this stuff, but that's not my problem :-)
20:31 < gwillen> kanzure: I'm happy to grab individual papers with it but I don't want to get these folks in trouble
20:31 < kanzure> what about individually-approved-by-you requests?
20:31 < gwillen> could do that
20:33 < gwillen> my ideal process would involve running a script locally that would ssh to the machine with access, so I'm not leaving suspicious scripts around on their machines
20:33 < kanzure> what about an ssh tunnel?
20:33 < gwillen> that seems fine
20:35 < gwillen> before the whole Aaron Swartz JSTOR incident, I would have looked at this sort of thing a bit differently
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20:39 < kanzure> gwillen: there are some strategies and software architectures discussed in these archives https://groups.google.com/group/science-liberation-front
20:39  * gwillen skims
20:39 < kanzure> short version is "run proxies on student smartphones and pay them with bitcoin" long version is "ugh i'm going to have to implement this aren't i?"
20:39 < gwillen> I feel like -- again, post-Swartz -- I would be even less likely to want to help with something that calls itself a 'liberation front'
20:40 < gwillen> the optics are just not good
20:40 < kanzure> yes, receiving emails is super dangerous
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20:41 < Qfwfq> kanzure: That's a damn good idea.
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20:41 < gwillen> I would be more likely to either receive the emails, or participate in activities that might violate the CFAA
20:41 < gwillen> but it wouldn't seem prudent to have the emails around for evidence while busily doing things that might violate the CFAA
20:42 < gwillen> paying students to put an app on their smartphone seems like a clever plan
20:42 < gwillen> and at least the students get plausible deniability
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20:46 < Qfwfq> You can get past the validation problem and encourage maintenance with payment-on-distinct receipt.
20:46 < Qfwfq> Though technically it wouldn't be open-access, just reasonably-priced access with assets directed towards those other than the researchers.
20:47 < fenn> the publishers*
20:47 < Qfwfq> Vaguely curious about protocols to determine whether a response is correct / provides intended access.
20:48 < fenn> researchers actually pay to get published (part of the research grant goes towards publishing expenses)
20:48 < Qfwfq> What are necessary responsibilities of publishers, besides orchestrating peer review?
20:49 < kanzure> ftping around files
20:49 < kanzure> see ftp://ftp.springer.de/
20:50 < Qfwfq> Re: protocol, just saying "different response from my machine" opens the system up to exploitation.
20:50 < gmaxwell> Making sure the public doesn't have access? :P    (well, really for better publishers they provide copyediting too; and may pay a lead editor for the journal)
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20:56 < Qfwfq> gmaxwell: Has the state of (Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society -> Wikisource) changed since JSTOR opened them up to the (registered) public?
20:59 < Qfwfq> Micropayments fail for Open when your goals aren't "getting reading material" but rather exercises like wide-scale text-mining and data analysis.
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21:00 < gmaxwell> some things have been put up JSTOR still technical prohibits copying anything you get from them according to their TOS. In theory you could be risking prosecution under the CFAA if you copy uncopyrightable/public domain material from their site and use it as you wish (e.g. commercially). :(  (fortunately there is about a snowballs chance in hell that they'd actually pull that trigger)
21:01 < Qfwfq> :-\
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21:59 < moa> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8392d196-7323-11e4-907b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3JxktRryA
21:59 < moa> sound nasty
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