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user7779078 [~user77790@ool-4a5987f1.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:47 -!- op_mul [~op_mul@178.62.133.216] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:48 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:304:cff8:1580:9960:eb0:4ef2:ca9b] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:48 -!- zooko [~user@adsl-64-237-239-129.prtc.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:49 < op_mul> request for cluesticking https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=937058.msg10308187#msg10308187 03:49 -!- user7779078 [~user77790@ool-4a5987f1.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:54 -!- PFate [sid33238@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kzztcgkqttumdujf] has quit [] 03:55 -!- PFate [sid33238@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvwblnukjevihtqd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:55 < fluffypony> heh 03:55 -!- orperelman [~orperelma@bzq-79-181-128-67.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:56 < fluffypony> I had a full on argument with a troll from ShadowCash yesterday 03:56 < fluffypony> my favourite bit was this that he says of two functions in the Monero source code: "Normally, this would be avoided by having the compiler generate the code for the operations, thereby increasing maintainability and possibly execution speed. Even when being concerned about the compiler's capability to do this properly (for example when working with an old compiler), preprocessing or code generation would make sense for code like 03:56 < fluffypony> this in order to make working with it less error-prone." 03:57 < fluffypony> he highlights this vector zeroing in 10 lines: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/src/crypto/crypto-ops.c#L77-L88 and this vector addition in 40 lines: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/src/crypto/crypto-ops.c#L123-L164 03:57 < fluffypony> somehow he completely misses the comments above the function that point to where the code snippet comes from in NaCL / libsodium 03:58 < op_mul> of all the things to argue about in bytecoin/monero, that's not something I would have picked 03:59 < fluffypony> definitely not when it's purposely written that way for reasons he can't fathom 04:01 < fluffypony> op_mul: replied to curve-boy 04:02 < op_mul> nice one 04:02 -!- zooko [~user@adsl-64-237-239-129.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:03 < op_mul> I've seen and had some fairly pointless arguments with altcoin makers too. 04:03 < op_mul> generally they dissolve down to people having made systems which aren't able to maintain consensus and they just refuse to understand it. 04:05 < fluffypony> amateur cryptography is bad enough, the sheer amount of bad amateur cryptography on the altcoin scene is beyond insane 04:08 < op_mul> darkcoin is a good source of amusement in that area. 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