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non-fs efficient ones) 07:09 -!- hearn [~mike@89-231.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:11 < andytoshi> actually i'm unsure about "any", in my case i need to use the algebraic structure of the NIZK a bit so maybe there is not a general way 07:14 -!- mortale [~mortale@gateway/tor-sasl/mortale] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:16 -!- koeppelmann [~koeppelma@dyn-160-39-29-12.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:18 -!- hearn [~mike@89-231.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:19 -!- hearn [~mike@89-231.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:26 -!- hearn [~mike@89-231.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:27 -!- hearn [~mike@89-231.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:28 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:28 -!- pavel_ [~paveljani@94.199.44.8] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:30 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That would negate need of archive nodes to store their payload for ever. Would that break Bitcoin? 12:41 < sipa> yes 12:41 < sipa> because the transaction hashes wouldn't match 12:42 < amincd> sipa: but if it's not validated, the transaction hash doesn't have to match 12:42 < sipa> if you don't want the data in the transaction forever, it shouldn't be in the transaction in the first place 12:42 -!- qwopqwop [~hi@209.141.33.28] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:42 < sipa> send it out of band to the receiver instead, and put a hash of the data in the transaction 12:43 < sipa> which can be done with 0 additional data, using pay-to-contract or sign-to-contract schemes 12:43 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-142-15.as13285.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:43 < sipa> amincd: well if you mean not validate the transaction at all, you're changing bitcoin's fundamental security properties 12:44 < sipa> it means you need to accept the state of the UTXO set from someone else, without being able to validate it 12:45 -!- nubbins` [~leel@unaffiliated/nubbins] has quit [Quit: Quit] 12:45 < amincd> sipa: right.. there's no way to prove it was an OP_RETURN transaction without being able to match the hash 12:45 < sipa> this doesn't just apply to OP_RETURN 12:46 < sipa> it would be nice to for example be able to *optionally* skip signature download and validation 12:46 < sipa> but that would mean you must be able to omit that signature data without losing the commitment to it 12:46 -!- qwopqwop [~hi@209.141.33.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:48 -!- orik_ is now known as orik 12:49 < amincd> sipa: right 12:50 -!- lclc_bnc [~lclc@bothniafur.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:53 -!- huseby [~huseby@unaffiliated/huseby] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:54 -!- qwopqwop [~hi@209.141.33.28] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:56 -!- cbeams_ [~cbeams@chello084114181075.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56 -!- espes__ [~espes@205.185.120.132] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:56 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:00 -!- user7779078 [~user77790@pool-173-68-22-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:00 -!- jaekwon [~jaekwon@75-101-96-71.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:01 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:02 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:03 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@chello084114181075.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:03 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@chello084114181075.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 13:03 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:07 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:15 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:19 -!- belcher [~belcher-s@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:20 -!- lclc [~lucas@unaffiliated/lclc] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:20 -!- lclc_bnc is now known as lclc 13:22 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22 -!- melvster1 [~melvster@83.136.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@4.Red-83-34-47.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23 < amincd> What about having two merkle trees, one for regular Bitcoin transactions, and one for prunable Bitcoin transactions, and their respective roots hash to a 'master merkle root'. The prunable merkle tree is pruned after, say, 100 blocks, with only its root hash stored permanently in the blockchain 13:24 < amincd> The prunable merkle tree would be useful for short term storage of messages, and for time stamping messages 13:26 < amincd> Sort of like a built in Factom 13:27 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@ip1f1171b4.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:27 -!- Dizzle [~diesel@70.114.207.41] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:29 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:33 < amincd> Non-transaction data storage of any kind could then be heavily discouraged in the regular Bitcoin transactions. It would be good if there were a way to prevent permanent storage of non-transaction data, while still allowing non-transaction data to be permanently timestamped. 13:34 < Luke-Jr> amincd: there is 13:34 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-26-154.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:34 < Luke-Jr> it's called merged mining 13:35 -!- hearn [~mike@84-75-198-85.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:36 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:36 -!- erasmospunk [~erasmospu@net-2-38-211-181.cust.vodafonedsl.it] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:37 < amincd> Merged mining requires the cooperation of miners. It's not permissionless in the same sense as encoding information in the Bitcoin blockchain. It's extremely useful for a sidechain architecture, but it's not a panacea. 13:39 < Taek> amincd: I don't understand what problem you are trying to solve 13:40 < amincd> Taek: The problem of permanent storage of non-transaction data. The problem is how to prevent it while still allowing permanent storage of a timestamp of non-transaction data 13:40 -!- xabbix [~xabbix@unaffiliated/xabbix] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:42 < amincd> a 'timestamp' being a hash of the non-transaction data 13:42 < Taek> Couldn't you just hide a hash of the data in a p2sh address? Or do you want it to be prunable? 13:43 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:44 -!- Profreid_ [~Profreitt@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/profreid] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:46 -!- Profreid [~Profreitt@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/profreid] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:46 -!- Profreid_ is now known as Profreid 13:47 < amincd> Taek: to me, ideally, everything stored permanently in the blockchain is proven to be a hash before inclusion in the blockchain. So you shouldn't be able to hide a hash in a p2sh address. 13:47 < amincd> as then you'd be able to hide anything 13:47 < amincd> i.e. something that's not a hash 13:48 * nsh blinks 13:55 < Luke-Jr> amincd: abusing bitcoin transactions also requires permission from miners (and ethically requires permission from every non-miner too) 13:56 < Taek> Luke-Jr, why is it considered abuse? Data is data, blockchains are for figuring out what order the data is in 13:56 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@4.Red-83-34-47.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:57 < andytoshi> Taek: bitcoin is a payment processing system; using others' storage and bandwidth for non payment-processing purposes is abuse. this has been covered ad nauseam 13:57 < Luke-Jr> Taek: the Bitcoin blockchain is for ordering of Bitcoin transactions 13:58 < ajweiss> i see no harm in P2CH data storage though, they're just transactions 13:58 < Luke-Jr> ajweiss: no, they're data storage 13:59 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@cpe-98-157-219-44.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:59 < Taek> It's definitely data storage 13:59 < ajweiss> only to people who have stored data in them! 13:59 < amincd> Luke-Jr: if there were a way for all nodes to prune non-transaction data in a block, and leave only a single hash of it in the block, without breaking Bitcoin, then Bitcoin could be much stricter with the transactions that aren't pruned, to prevent the so-called abuse you refer to. With regard to 'permission', technically you're right, a miner has to permit your transaction into a block they generate for it to get into the bl 14:00 < helo> for the data to be in the blockchain meaningfully, it has to be more than just a hash of the data 14:00 < ajweiss> how is it different for someone to send a 0.01 BTC to a fresh address of their own, versus a P2CH address of their own? 14:00 < amincd> 's much easier to do that then to contact a pool and ask them to start merge-mining your chain, and even then it's not very useful unless the pool has significant hash power 14:00 < justanotheruser> amincd: what? How do you know whether something is a hash before inclusion? 14:01 < amincd> justanotheruser: there was a lot of discussion on how to do this when someone encoded links to TOR CP sites in the blockchain 14:02 < justanotheruser> hmm? is it a heuristic? 14:02 < amincd> justanotheruser: yes 14:02 < Taek> Also, amimcd couldn't you rely on out-of-band processes to aggregate data before making a storage transaction? 14:02 < Taek> Then you achieve the only-one-hash goal 14:03 < amincd> Taek: yes, you can, but this doesn't give Bitcoin a way to prevent data encoding 14:03 -!- Tjopper [~Jop@dhcp-077-249-237-229.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:04 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: :)] 14:05 -!- Dizzle_ [~diesel@70.114.207.41] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:08 -!- Dizzle [~diesel@70.114.207.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:08 -!- Dizzle_ is now known as Dizzle 14:08 < Luke-Jr> amincd: there IS a way for them to do that. that's EXACTLY what merged mining does. 14:14 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15 < amincd> Luke-Jr: merged mining has a larger barrier to participation. It's still useful for things like sidechains, but for just a small startup or an individual wanting to leverage the Bitcoin consensus process, timestamping data by including a hash of it in the blockchain would be very useful. It'd be nice to have both methods 14:15 -!- soundx [~soundx@gateway/tor-sasl/soundx] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:17 < andytoshi> gmaxwell: i took your advice and covered my cracked phone screen in nail polish. the touchscreen inexplicably is much more accurate now, thx! (i know this is OT, but maybe others have the same problem) 14:18 < amincd> andytoshi: that's some valuable information. I can't count how many I've seen with cracked screens 14:18 * helo has the same problem, appreciated 14:20 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:21 -!- Profreid [~Profreitt@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/profreid] has quit [Quit: Profreid] 14:22 -!- soundx [~soundx@gateway/tor-sasl/soundx] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:22 < justanotheruser> Luke-Jr: how do you propose a user send merged mining data to a miner without either keeping track of the miners IP or the network allowing free spam 14:23 -!- starsoccer [~starsocce@unaffiliated/starsoccer] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:25 -!- soundx [~soundx@gateway/tor-sasl/soundx] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:28 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:32 -!- soundx [~soundx@gateway/tor-sasl/soundx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:35 -!- Rynomster [~quassel@unaffiliated/rynomster] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36 -!- soundx [~soundx@gateway/tor-sasl/soundx] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:36 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:38 -!- erasmospunk [~erasmospu@net-2-38-211-181.cust.vodafonedsl.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38 -!- erasmospunk [~erasmospu@net-2-38-211-181.cust.vodafonedsl.it] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:39 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@CPE-69-23-213-3.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:40 -!- e1782d11df4c9914 [e1782d11df@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-cmlgudagsackhwmd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:42 -!- soundx [~soundx@gateway/tor-sasl/soundx] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:42 -!- erasmospunk [~erasmospu@net-2-38-211-181.cust.vodafonedsl.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42 -!- instagibbs [6c1c1eb9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.28.30.185] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:43 < instagibbs> I always assumed merge-mined things would be propagated via some other means than bitcoin's p2p network 14:43 < instagibbs> just like data that is hashed/embedded 14:47 < gmaxwell> andytoshi: hopefully you researched it first; I was just relaying second hand advice from Kat. :) 14:49 -!- soundx [~soundx@gateway/tor-sasl/soundx] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:49 < andytoshi> gmaxwell: i researched that there were new s3 mini's on amazon.. 14:52 < andytoshi> (i mean, no, i didn't research... but i did take into account that it was second-hand advice when considering how likely it was i'd destroy my phone! 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Prefer a stricter check, < 33 if leading 0, < 32 otherwise. 15:42 < rusty> sipa: creating patch now. 15:43 < rusty> (Sorry, OT) 15:44 < sipa> rusty: i just pointed out that even that is not enough 15:44 < rusty> sipa: OK, will catch up on my mail then :) 15:47 < sipa> also, this probably belongs on #bitcoin-dev 15:49 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:53 -!- belcher [~belcher-s@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00 -!- Hunger- [hunger@proactivesec.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:02 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-26-154.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:05 -!- Dizzle [~diesel@70.114.207.41] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:07 -!- Mably [~Mably@unaffiliated/mably] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:07 -!- Hunger- [hunger@proactivesec.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:20 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:27 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-147-230-48.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:28 -!- orik [~orik@75.149.169.53] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:30 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@78.11.179.104] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:33 -!- d1ggy [~d1ggy@dslb-088-071-031-104.088.071.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33 -!- MoALTz [~no@user-109-243-133-72.play-internet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34 -!- d1ggy [~d1ggy@dslb-088-071-031-104.088.071.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:41 -!- nubbins` [~leel@unaffiliated/nubbins] has quit [Quit: Quit] 16:44 -!- moa [~kiwigb@opentransactions/dev/moa] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:46 -!- moa [~kiwigb@opentransactions/dev/moa] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:48 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@4.Red-83-34-47.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49 -!- justanotheruser is now known as Kermit70 16:49 -!- Kermit70 is now known as justanotheruser 16:51 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:53 -!- roconnor [~roconnor@e120-pool-d89a617b.brdbnd.voicenetwork.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:59 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:304:cff8:1580:b19e:8d24:c9e0:27e0] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:00 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:304:cff8:1580:ed0b:67b6:5ce0:fdf3] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:02 -!- Guest73126 [~starsocce@104.219.184.155] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:03 -!- zooko [~user@c-75-70-204-109.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04 -!- Guest73126 [~starsocce@104.219.184.155] has quit [Changing host] 17:04 -!- Guest73126 [~starsocce@unaffiliated/starsoccer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:04 -!- Guest73126 is now known as starsoccer 17:05 -!- tromp_ [~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:08 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:08 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1018:c04a:3881:f5f9:665d:360e] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:08 < Luke-Jr> amincd: merged mining is the appropriate solution. something like Factom (but not poorly designed) to make it easier does make sense to bring the best of both together. 17:09 -!- koshii [~0@ppp-124-122-161-180.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:11 -!- jb55_ [~jb55@208.98.200.98] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:12 -!- orik [~orik@50-46-132-219.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:14 -!- tromp_ [~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:14 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:15 -!- jb55_ [~jb55@208.98.200.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:17 < phantomcircuit> like Factom (but not poorly designed) 17:17 < phantomcircuit> lolin 17:22 -!- starsoccer [~starsocce@unaffiliated/starsoccer] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:24 -!- fanquake [~anonymous@unaffiliated/fanquake] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:25 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:32 -!- kobud [ncidsk@unaffiliated/fluffybunny] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34 -!- kobud [ncidsk@unaffiliated/fluffybunny] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:34 -!- orik [~orik@50-46-132-219.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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