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for negative confirmation transactions 06:59 * [nsh] smiles 07:03 -!- adam3us [~Adium@host-92-19-14-17.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 07:03 -!- adam3us [~Adium@host-92-19-14-17.as13285.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:10 < bsm117532> Amazon already has a patent on that. 07:12 < justanotheruser> kanzure: isn't that basically checklocktime? 07:17 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:304:cff8:1580:3020:7f7a:4c1e:693d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:17 -!- luktgf [~vfbtgn@86.124.192.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:18 -!- luktgf [~vfbtgn@84.232.223.23] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:20 < jgarzik> nLockTime is arguably negative confirmations 07:21 -!- afk11 [~thomas@89.100.72.184] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:22 < kanzure> oh, perfect 07:23 < [nsh]> the joke is 'spendable after negative confirmations'. nLockTime is more prosaically 'begins with [kinda] negative conformations' 07:23 < kanzure> "I and many other people tried your replace-by-fee tools and found out that they worked **maybe** 1-2% of the time" yeah... that's probably the merchant's entire margin. 07:23 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ajweiss, kanzure, sneak, Oizopower, JonTitor, Taek, petertodd, pigeons, bobke_, phantomcircuit, (+5 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 07:23 -!- fanquake_ [~anonymous@unaffiliated/fanquake] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:24 -!- bobke [~bobke@d1F05F779.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:24 -!- Netsplit over, joins: phantomcircuit, pigeons, cfields 07:24 -!- sneak [~sneak@2a01:4f8:141:ffc:1cd1:3a6f:8729:12c4] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:24 -!- sneak [~sneak@2a01:4f8:141:ffc:1cd1:3a6f:8729:12c4] has quit [Changing host] 07:24 -!- sneak [~sneak@unaffiliated/sneak] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:24 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kanzure, eric, petertodd, ajweiss 07:24 -!- Netsplit over, joins: JonTitor 07:24 -!- pigeons is now known as Guest25216 07:24 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Keefe, catlasshrugged 07:24 -!- fanquake 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is of course not going to be 1-2% of revenue. so talking about margins is wrong. but if you are allowed to assume a flat distribution.... 07:52 -!- sipa [~pw@2a02:348:5e:5a29::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:52 < petertodd> kanzure: hah, yeah, which means that 1-2% might be 50% of your revenue if you get unlucky :) 07:52 -!- sipa [~pw@2a02:348:5e:5a29::1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:54 < kanzure> petertodd: so would this strategy be of any utility? a merchant that wants to accept zeroconf should make a subsequent transaction that spends all of his BTC plus the input of the original zeroconf. does that get picked up by any mining/priority policy these days? 07:54 < petertodd> kanzure: in replace-by-fee it wouldn't - priority doesn't count for anything 07:54 < kanzure> k. lousy method anyway. :) 07:55 < petertodd> kanzure: against non-rbf double-spend attacks it'd also make no difference 07:55 < kanzure> right, was just thinking about transaction competition i guess. not 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hmm, i don't have any answers yet. i'll report back eventually. 13:49 < kanzure> you could have delayed coercion proofs maybe 13:49 < kanzure> that only get unlocked once some threshold number of potential proofs are available? 13:49 < kanzure> i guess that wont work; not everyone will be harmed, but some might. 13:59 -!- adam3us [~Adium@host-92-19-14-17.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 14:00 -!- adam3us [~Adium@host-92-19-14-17.as13285.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:01 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:22 -!- jgarzik [~jgarzik@104-178-201-106.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:22 -!- jgarzik [~jgarzik@104-178-201-106.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:22 -!- jgarzik [~jgarzik@unaffiliated/jgarzik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:23 -!- xenog [~xeno@46.7.118.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:26 -!- adam3us 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