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ZZZzzz…] 08:02 -!- Luke [~Luke@unaffiliated/luke] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:03 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:05 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:06 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:08 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:09 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:10 -!- rubensayshi [~ruben@91.206.81.13] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:11 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:12 < instagibbs> andytoshi: sad to say the explicit calling out of "phoning a friend" was needed, but good to see it written down! 08:14 < instagibbs> "It is correspondingly vulnurable to legal pressure, attacks on “trusted” entities, and network attacks." or, say, trusted websites running homebrew versions of your consensus 08:21 -!- instagibbs [443889a3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.56.137.163] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:26 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:28 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:31 -!- hearn [~mike@185.25.95.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:32 -!- hearn [~mike@178.197.231.97] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:35 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:37 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:39 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:40 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] fluffypony: well, we are stopping that soon though and breaking it into multiple tx. as per MRL-0004. 08:40 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] to prevent combinatorial and associative attacks against amounts sent. 08:42 -!- ryanxcharles [~ryan@64.124.157.148] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:42 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:42 -!- Mably [~Mably@unaffiliated/mably] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:42 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:43 -!- getplank [~getplank@65.88.88.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:44 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:44 < fluffypony> word 08:47 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:49 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:304:cff8:1580:6960:b722:a7da:1660] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:50 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:50 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:50 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:53 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:53 -!- orik [~orik@50-46-132-219.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:54 -!- orik [~orik@50-46-132-219.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:54 -!- OneNomos [~OneNomos@pool-71-163-237-248.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:54 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:54 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:56 -!- orik [~orik@50-46-132-219.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:57 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:59 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:00 -!- koshii [~0@c-24-5-244-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:00 -!- GibsonA [~thrasher@27-33-27-140.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:01 -!- thrasher` [~thrasher@27-33-27-140.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:01 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:02 -!- droark [~droark@173-162-150-61-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:05 -!- ziggy909 [ziggy909@unaffiliated/ziggy909] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:07 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@194.143.241.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:08 -!- Mably [~Mably@unaffiliated/mably] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:15 -!- koshii [~0@50-205-143-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:15 -!- thrasher` [~thrasher@27-33-27-140.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:16 -!- GibsonA [~thrasher@27-33-27-140.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:18 -!- x98gvyn [~vfbtgn@188.25.23.66] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:29 -!- koshii [~0@50-205-143-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:29 -!- hearn [~mike@178.197.231.97] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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So missing some of the recent interesting things from Ben-Sasson, et al 10:08 < stonecoldpat> kanzure: it reads really well i like it 10:08 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@87.97.1.38.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:11 -!- OneNomos [~OneNomos@pool-71-163-237-248.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:17 -!- melvster2 [~melvster@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:18 -!- xenog [~xenog@c-76-102-12-150.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:18 -!- huseby [~huseby@unaffiliated/huseby] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:18 -!- tdryja [~tx@s186.62.229.222.fls.vectant.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:18 -!- melvster1 [~melvster@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:22 -!- zwischenzug [~zwischenz@pool-173-73-105-152.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:26 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:28 -!- tdryja [~tx@s186.62.229.222.fls.vectant.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28 -!- tdryja [~tx@s186.62.229.222.fls.vectant.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:37 -!- orik [~orik@50-46-132-219.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:41 < zooko> What's the best intro to SNARKs? 10:41 < andytoshi> zooko: the original ben-sasson et al paper (oct 2013 on eprint.iacr.org) has a long introduction with historical context 10:42 < andytoshi> and explains the division between what they're doing (half is efficiently translating C programs to arithmetic circuits, half is the "real" zero-knowledge stuff) 10:43 -!- xenog [~xenog@c-76-102-12-150.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:43 < andytoshi> amiller i think knows SNARKs better than anyone here now, highlighting him.. 10:44 -!- stonecoldpat [~Paddy@janus-nat-128-240-225-56.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:46 -!- zooko [~user@c-75-70-204-109.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 -!- hearn [~mike@185.25.95.132] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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They way you'd do that for ecdsa/schnorr is just make r part of the pubkey (or be committed to by the pubkey). 12:55 < gmaxwell> (so others don't need to grep their logs: ) 12:55 < gmaxwell> 11:17 < Anduck> what if k-value were calculated from private key (each priv key has one corresponding k-value) so every transaction re-using address would reveal the private key 12:56 < gmaxwell> I'm dubious about the utility of single show signatures, in that they're super fragile... if your transaction gets stuck or something and you need to reissue with greater fees, you leak your private key. 12:56 < gmaxwell> In terms of discouraging double spending the attacker will just arrange things so that the loss of the private key is no big deal. 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سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ 16:40 < fluffypony> which Google translates as: "Smoouhkh ̷̴̐kh ̷̴̐kh ̷̴̐kh Amartykh ̷̴̐kh" 16:42 -!- Crowley2k [~Crowley2k@93.113.62.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:43 < aakselrod> lol.. mine just said "STARTKEYLOGGER" 16:44 < aakselrod> oh, and then what you pasted too i guess 16:44 -!- orik [~orik@75.149.169.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:45 < fluffypony> fun time 16:45 < fluffypony> *times 16:46 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@87.97.82.82.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:54 < lechuga_> just ctcp jupe'd his ass 16:57 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@87.97.82.82.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:00 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@87.97.82.82.pool.invitel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:01 -!- OneNomos [~OneNomos@pool-71-163-237-248.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03 -!- koshii [~0@50-205-143-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:06 < Anduck> hmm.. 17:07 < Anduck> gmaxwell: would there be utility to implement them as one kind of addresses? 17:07 < Anduck> services could accept 0-conf from them 17:07 -!- xenog [~xenog@c-76-102-12-150.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:08 < Anduck> ...though miners could doublespend anyway but i can see there could be some utility if it was available. probably better to keep it simple though 17:10 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@ppp005054006011.access.hol.gr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:10 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:10 -!- user7779078 [~user77790@ool-4a5987f1.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@87.97.82.82.pool.invitel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:13 -!- zooko` [~user@c-75-70-204-109.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:14 -!- zooko` is now known as zooko 17:15 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@239-196-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit 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