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has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:15 -!- spinza [~spin@197.89.19.81] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:27 -!- Mably [~Mably@unaffiliated/mably] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:28 -!- jgarzik [~jgarzik@unaffiliated/jgarzik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:34 < gmaxwell> http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.3458 "The proposed polynomial basis allows that h-point polynomial evaluation can be computed in O(hlog2(h)) finite field operations with small leading constant." 03:39 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-79-178-183-241.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:49 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@ppp005054006011.access.hol.gr] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:55 -!- HM2 [~HM@81.4.101.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56 -!- TonyClifton [~TonyClift@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:57 -!- HM [~HM@81.4.101.225] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:01 -!- jgarzik [~jgarzik@unaffiliated/jgarzik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:15 < midnightmagic> lol 04:22 -!- 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The concrete performance numbers they gave are kind of suspect (the competing implementation sounds insanely slow). 05:51 < gmaxwell> But certantly interesting to see something finally achieve the expected asymptotic complexity in GF2. 05:51 -!- b_lumenkraft [~b_lumenkr@unaffiliated/b-lumenkraft/x-4457406] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:57 -!- spinza [~spin@197.89.19.81] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:58 -!- TonyClifton [~TonyClift@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:59 -!- spinza [~spin@197.89.19.81] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:00 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@87.97.82.82.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:03 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@87.97.82.82.pool.invitel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:12 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@87.97.82.82.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:13 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@87.97.82.82.pool.invitel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:16 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@87.97.82.82.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:16 -!- hearn [~mike@84-75-198-85.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, did you see my hilarious realization? 15:57 < phantomcircuit> you can actually build a pos consensus system.... but history isn't permanent 15:57 < phantomcircuit> everybody agrees on what the new history is though 15:57 < phantomcircuit> so 15:57 < phantomcircuit> horray 15:57 < jcorgan> we have always been at war with eastasia 15:57 < phantomcircuit> jcorgan, heh 15:57 < phantomcircuit> it was thinking of calling it paypal coin 15:58 < phantomcircuit> and have the forking rules be that any conflicts destroy the conflicted coins entirely including their descendants 15:58 < phantomcircuit> this is of course entirely useless 15:58 < phantomcircuit> but technically provides a distributed consensus 15:59 < phantomcircuit> oh and there's a pretty obvious dos issue 15:59 < phantomcircuit> but *waves hands* 15:59 -!- skittylx [skittylx@unaffiliated/skittylx] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:01 < Anduck> is it something like how ripple is trying to work? 16:01 < phantomcircuit> Anduck, amusingly it's close to the same result but far simpler to implement 16:02 < Anduck> you have to tell them about it (or stellar devs). i think stellar devs are trying to fix the consensus thing which is broken in ripple and in stellar 16:03 < phantomcircuit> Anduck, i'd be pretty amused if they implemented this 16:03 < phantomcircuit> since 16:03 < phantomcircuit> this is of course entirely useless 16:04 < Anduck> hmm ahhm..yeah 16:06 -!- xenog [~xenog@c-76-102-12-150.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:07 -!- skittylx [skittylx@cpe-75-187-202-51.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:07 -!- skittylx [skittylx@cpe-75-187-202-51.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:07 -!- skittylx [skittylx@unaffiliated/skittylx] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:14 < phantomcircuit> Anduck, it's amusing because it is technically a distributed consensus system 16:14 -!- skittylx [skittylx@unaffiliated/skittylx] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 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tdryja> say you have 3 outputs, A, B, C 23:52 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:52 < tdryja> and 2 transactions, say tx1 and tx2 23:53 < tdryja> tx1 is A -> B 23:53 < tdryja> tx2 is B -> C 23:53 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:54 < tdryja> assume output A is from a transaction a while ago and in a block 23:54 < tdryja> I know that tx1 and tx2 can appear in the same block; that is, tx1 does not need to be confirmed for its outputs to be spent 23:55 < Taek> this is probably a question for #bitcoin or #bitcoin-dev 23:55 < tdryja> my question is, does tx1 need to appear before tx2 within the same block for the block to be valid 23:55 < fluffypony> They can be chained, yes 23:55 < tdryja> hm, OK maybe I'll take it to bitcoin dev, sorry! 23:57 -!- alferz [~alferz@unaffiliated/alfer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:57 < fluffypony> tdryja: transaction order within a block is irrelevant, all transactions are assumed to have happened at the same time 23:57 < fluffypony> But yes, better suited to -dev 23:57 < tdryja> thanks 23:59 < fluffypony> (Although the fact that verifying tx2 requires verification of tx1 means they'll naturally be in order anyway) --- Log closed Sun Mar 22 00:00:07 2015