--- Log opened Sun Apr 19 00:00:22 2015 00:03 -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:04 -!- Transisto [Transisto@216.144.249.77] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:09 -!- gsdgdfs [Transisto@216.18.226.241] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:10 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:13 -!- Transisto [Transisto@216.144.249.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:18 -!- jmaurice is now known as wiz 00:21 -!- Transisto [Transisto@206.125.41.79] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:24 -!- gsdgdfs [Transisto@216.18.226.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:34 -!- gsdgdfs [~Trans@213.179.212.125] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:37 -!- Transisto [Transisto@206.125.41.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:37 -!- Transisto [Transisto@77.74.194.247] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:40 -!- gsdgdfs [~Trans@213.179.212.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:42 -!- Transisto [Transisto@77.74.194.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 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error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14 -!- antanst [~Adium@adsl-66.37.6.218.tellas.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:18 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:32 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:35 -!- sparetire [~sparetire@unaffiliated/sparetire] has quit [Quit: sparetire] 02:36 -!- c-cex-yuriy [uid76808@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jntcyljmroftseyt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:47 < fluffypony> gmaxwell: yep exactly - I think we even mentioned something along those lines in MRL-0001, that they can't promise privacy because 80%+ of the txoset is owned by a person (or people) those motives remain unknown 02:48 < gmaxwell> might also be true for monero (well obviously not 80% but a lot-- just due to the advantages from the obfscuated miner :( ) 02:52 < fluffypony> obfuscated miner was replaced quickly, though, and the number of mixin 0 transactions may end up working in our favour from that perspective 02:52 < fluffypony> should probably do some analysis of that at some point 02:58 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:59 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:01 -!- Mably [~Mably@unaffiliated/mably] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:02 < smooth> the total amount mined before the obfuscaated miner was fixed was around 5%, and that certainly wasn't all mined by them 03:02 < smooth> however, it is a fair point that you cant really know the ownership of coins in general 03:03 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:06 < gmaxwell> didn't realize it was fixed so fast. well I guess at the time it was fixed it was 100%. :P 03:07 < gmaxwell> I didn't mean to raise that as a major concern. 03:07 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@239-196-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:07 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otehyusadgjzneti] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:07 < fluffypony> lol no, it's a valid point 03:10 < smooth> lots of other people were certainly mining though. the market was so bubbly at the time that even the dumb miner was profitable 03:18 < fluffypony> smooth: change was commited May 7th, so ~19 days from launch = 2.58% of initial emission (we have infinite tail emission, too, but still use the 18.4 million initial emission as a reference point) 03:19 -!- b_lumenkraft [~b_lumenkr@unaffiliated/b-lumenkraft/x-4457406] has quit [Quit: b_lumenkraft] 03:19 < smooth> fluffypony: that was only a small part of the fix though 03:19 < fluffypony> yep, but that was the big jump 03:19 < fluffypony> 10x improvement in speed 03:19 < smooth> oh okay, faster than i thought then 03:30 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@ip1f10af17.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:30 < gmaxwell> I guess my impression was a little distorted in that I went and mined on it right away, and even after speeding up the miner quite a bit myself still found fairly few blocks; but it might have been bad luck. 03:32 < fluffypony> I solo mined on AWS at the beginning for maybe a month and a half, and my estimations were generally aligned with what I actually solved 03:33 < smooth> gmaxwell: people used many cloud instances so unless you were doing that you were just a small share 03:33 < smooth> it was rather shocking how long you could actually pay for cloud computing, use the crappy miner, and still be profitable 03:33 < fluffypony> you should mine on testnet, global testnet hashrate is 230h/s 03:33 < smooth> haha 03:33 < fluffypony> [wallet 9xoaou]: balance 03:33 < fluffypony> balance: 2762282.169573881548, unlocked balance: 2761513.652564764300 03:33 < fluffypony> ^^rich 03:34 < gmaxwell> thats like my bitcoin testnet wallet. 03:34 < smooth> it was zero for a while right? 03:34 < fluffypony> smooth: yeah, my two testnet mining nodes hiccuped, 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