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that's already in bitcoin 08:55 < andytoshi> it's just not useful for covenants because every sighash type covers the output itself 08:56 < andytoshi> StephenM347: you can get it by forcing the signature to some dummy value (1, 1) say, then there is one (easily-computable) pubkey which'll give you that signature for any message 08:56 < andytoshi> that pubkey is the "hash" 09:16 -!- optimator_ [~optimator@ec2-54-205-93-122.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:16 -!- optimator_ [~optimator@ec2-54-205-93-122.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:16 -!- optimator_ [~optimator@unaffiliated/optimator] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:17 -!- dardasaba_ [~cinch@52.10.119.235] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:17 -!- harrigan_ [~harrigan@skynet.skynet.ie] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:17 -!- antgreen` [~user@CPE687f74122463-CM84948c2e0610.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:18 -!- cdecker1 [~cdecker@pc-10367.ethz.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 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but I would be very unsurprised if it were possible to use a pair of coins with clever masking to get a perpetual one. 11:21 < gmaxwell> The thing I was responding to was a person suggesting the replay vulnerable for for _all_ transactions as a "solution" to malleability; I think that suggestion is really really ill advised. 11:22 -!- Kwelstr [~rex@2602:306:cd77:1d10:39e0:aa94:e547:efca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:22 < gmaxwell> "It just goes to where it went before" is not a good answer; where it went before may well be a total black hole now. Sure; I agree there are cases where a replay vulnerability is acceptable-- e.g. where you can be fairly sure the software will prevent replay, and where it happening will be recoverable-- but this is not the case for ordinary transactions. 11:23 -!- jeremyrubin [~jeremyrub@2601:6:8000:4a8:6988:ff2b:2973:ee06] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:23 < gmaxwell> " 11:23 < kanzure> would it be better for a civilization to insist on only doing reversible economic transactions? 11:23 < kanzure> i would imagine you'd have to leave out.. a lot. 11:24 < kanzure> s/reversible/replayable (subtle difference i guess?) 11:24 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24 < gmaxwell> StephenM347: saying that it's not worse that txid mutation seems completely incohearent to me. Changing a txid can not result in funds loss in an even stronger sense than your argument that replay-with-value cannot result in loss. 11:26 < gmaxwell> kanzure: for replay to be safe you must never reuse addresses; not reusing addresses is hard from an application perspective because maintaining state is hard. E.g. say you generate an address but then crash; when you recover you forgot that you already generated that address. 11:26 < gmaxwell> It's not impossible; but it requires a lot of considerations. 11:27 < kanzure> right, you should never generate addresses at run-time anyway 11:27 < kanzure> and ideally you should never allocate addresses at run-time either 11:28 < sipa> whether you generate them at runtime or not is not relevant 11:28 < sipa> whether you mark them as used is 11:30 < StephenM347> gmaxwell: "but this is not the case for ordinary transactions" -- and ordinary transactions have no use for these types of sighash flags anyway. I'm not saying we should all start using these flags all the time, there would just be very specific use cases 11:30 -!- gielbier [~giel@f142219.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:30 < StephenM347> For example, when setting up a micropayment channel you have to establish the refund TX 11:30 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:30 < StephenM347> that could be done with SIGHASH_INPUT_WITHOUT_TXID 11:31 < StephenM347> That refund transaction is never meant to be broadcasted to be blockchain, it's just there as a back up 11:32 < StephenM347> And the refund transaction would be signing away a scriptPubKey that was sent to a 2-of-2 multisig address 11:32 < gmaxwell> StephenM347: "and ordinary transactions have no use" please read the thread you were responding to. 11:33 -!- jhogan42 [~jhogan42@184.21.105.99] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:33 < gmaxwell> ... the person there was basically arguing that BIP66 protections against third party malleability shouldn't be done because your flags proposal was a better solution. 11:34 -!- jhogan42 [~jhogan42@184.21.105.99] has quit [Client Quit] 11:34 < gmaxwell> Which would mean using a replay vulnerable form on all transactions. 11:36 < StephenM347> gmaxwell: Oh, right. As I said in the email chain, I don't think this should be seen as a replacement for that BIP at all, they are complementary 11:39 < Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: only transactions with address reuse? 11:40 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:40 < Luke-Jr> also, do you mean BIP 62? 66 is just strict DER… 11:41 < sipa> he means bip62 i think :) 11:42 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:44 < gmaxwell> 62 :) 11:50 < gmaxwell> StephenM347: Well my response was specific to that subject, not a general opposition to more flexible masking; as far as the point that "better to build in a more flexible solution now than to wish we had more flexible nHashTypes later"; there is a straight forward counterargument that every piece of additional complexity has high cost; not just for the system itself but for many of its users (th 11:50 < gmaxwell> ere are applications that become insecure if you're not minding sighash flags set by third party software); Functionality is basically impossible to take away (since removing functionality might confiscate coins), but possible to add; so great care and consideration must be applied. 11:52 < gmaxwell> Though, I'm also not a great fan of the bag-of-flags approach, I'd rather a more programmtic approach to powerful masking, one which is demonstratively fully general. Even though it would likely be somewhat more complex it would not have te outcome of having a lot of complexity that turned out to not be useful. 11:52 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52 -!- aakselrod [~kvirc@pool-96-253-123-21.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:52 < gmaxwell> (which is something we suffer from in the system today; lots of options almost no one uses; missing a few options people really want) 11:54 < StephenM347> gmaxwell: Makes sense :) And if you're software isn't paying attention to sighash flags set by third party software, then it probably already has vulnerabilities just with the set of sighash flags we use now. 11:54 -!- LeMiner [~LeMiner@unaffiliated/leminer] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:57 < StephenM347> How could you be more general with a programatic approach? It seems like the so-called bag-of-flags approach general and compact 11:58 < StephenM347> Things like OP_FEELESSTHANVERIFY should probably be done programmatically, though, rather than in sighash flags 11:59 -!- sparetire [~sparetire@unaffiliated/sparetire] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:01 < Luke-Jr> ehh, that sounds like a crappy opcode to have :P 12:01 < Luke-Jr> especially since fees are possible underdetectably 12:07 -!- hulkhoga1_ [~WW@unaffiliated/loteriety] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:08 < gmaxwell> StephenM347: e.g. An op_code that pushes a full parse tree of the transaction onto the stack; and an opcode that pushes elements onto a tagged signature stack for signing. 12:09 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:09 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:12 -!- hulkhogan_ 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For now I'll pretend the range size is 1 for simplicity, but you'd just substitude range for block in the below. 14:39 < gmaxwell> sipa: Each peer signals a 32-bit seed (which they select uniformly, and a count of the number of blocks they'll store. 14:40 < gmaxwell> When you want to figure out what blocks your peers have, for each peer you pick a random index out of their nr_blocks range. You then compute key = index||seed, and query a jump-consistent hash [1] JCH(key, height), the result is what block they're storing in that slot. 14:41 < gmaxwell> After doing this with all peers, if you've found adequate sources for the block you want, you're done. Otherwise, go back and for peers with more slots, determine what block they have in that slot. 14:41 < gmaxwell> [1] A candidate JCH() is http://arxiv.org/pdf/1406.2294v1.pdf which is better than log(height) in runtime. 14:44 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@239-196-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:44 < gmaxwell> I don't think I can do better than this, but I think this is actually good enough to use. Some simulation would be needed, and perhaps some preprocessing of the key to avoid pathological behavior in the JCH due to poor distribution of the nr_blocks index. 14:49 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:50 < sipa> gmaxwell: that's good enough for finding what to ask from which peer 14:50 < sipa> gmaxwell: but perhaps not for deciding who to connect to 14:50 -!- azariah [azariah@Tricholoma.Update.UU.SE] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:50 < gmaxwell> I'm assuming an extended addr message that includes these seed,nr values. 14:50 -!- azariah [azariah@Tricholoma.Update.UU.SE] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:51 < gmaxwell> though ... one could hijack the existing addr messages by using your external IP as the seed, and talking a couple service bits to signal nr. 0_o I'm not a huge fan of that. 14:51 -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:52 < gmaxwell> (I assume the extended messages would also include a range or flag for how near to the tip do you keep, e.g. 288 vs 2016 vs all blocks.) 14:52 -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:53 -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has quit [Client Quit] 14:57 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:59 -!- jinglebe_ [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:59 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1018:c074:9d0:5591:2023:765a] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:01 -!- user7779_ [~user77790@pool-108-30-214-152.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1018:c074:9d0:5591:2023:765a] has quit [Client Quit] 15:05 -!- prodatalab [~prodatala@2602:306:ceef:a750:6958:2606:47b6:84f1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:06 -!- p15x_ [~p15x@114.248.212.6] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:08 -!- p15x [~p15x@114.248.212.6] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:08 < gmaxwell> In any case, I think this is a pretty big improvement over my prior best approach of using reservoir sampling, which had O(height) complexity. The downside is that you the heights of the blocks you hold are not monotonic increasing. :( At a future height you may find yourself needing to replace a slot with older blocks. :( 15:09 < gmaxwell> Which wasn't a problem the reservoir sampling had. 15:10 < gmaxwell> Though there may be some choice of a consistent hash that would just be monotonically increasing. 15:13 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:13 -!- orperelman [~orperelma@bzq-79-181-128-67.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:18 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18 -!- jinglebe_ [~jinglebel@149.130.161.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@184.209.3.152] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:53 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@184.209.3.152] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53 < gmaxwell> [Totally OT but will be of interest to some here]: http://bbcomp.ini.rub.de/ with only 4 days left I'm just going to phone in some pre-fabbed optimization code of mine. 15:54 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@2a02:8108:73f:f6e4:e23f:49ff:fe47:9364] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:55 -!- Mably [~Mably@unaffiliated/mably] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:04 -!- grandmaster [dansmith3@knows.the.cops.are.investigat.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05 -!- antanst [~Adium@adsl-98.176.58.243.tellas.gr] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:06 -!- d1ggy [~d1ggy@dslb-178-003-011-029.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:09 -!- grandmaster [dansmith3@knows.the.cops.are.investigat.in] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:09 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:10 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:11 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Client Quit] 16:27 -!- cooper [~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] 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a blockchain has been rewritten - or proprosed to be rewritten - by community consensus following a loss? I'm sure I remeember at least one proof-of-stake coin considering that, and there were proposals re: MtGox as well, but the details are eluding my googlefu. 20:36 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@87.97.50.127.pool.invitel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:43 -!- bosmacanucks is now known as bosmaflames 20:46 -!- c-cex-yuriy [uid76808@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-roimwwndsgychdfc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:50 < pigeons> it was called "vericoin" 20:51 < petertodd> pigeons: ah! http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-protected-vericoin-stolen-mintpal-wallet-breach/ 20:51 < petertodd> thanks! 20:51 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:52 < pigeons> as for "proposed to be rewritten" there was discussion of doing that to "NXT" after an exchange called BTER lost a bunch 20:52 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:57 < petertodd> pigeons: thanks! https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/official-nxt-decision-blockchain-rollback/ 20:58 -!- phantomcircuit_ is now known as phantomcircuit 21:03 -!- user7779078 [~user77790@ool-4a5987f1.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:09 -!- Transisto [Transisto@206.125.41.72] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:10 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:11 -!- gsdgdfs [~Trans@modemcable026.188-59-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:12 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:17 -!- bosmaflames is now known as bosma 21:33 -!- b_lumenkraft [~b_lumenkr@unaffiliated/b-lumenkraft/x-4457406] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:35 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:38 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:38 -!- gsdgdfs [~Trans@modemcable026.188-59-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:40 -!- Transisto [Transisto@206.125.41.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:44 -!- Relos [~Relos@unaffiliated/relos] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:01 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:04 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:08 -!- user7779078 [~user77790@ool-4a5987f1.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10 -!- go1111111 [~go1111111@162.244.138.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:22 -!- go1111111 [~go1111111@173.192.176.189-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:28 -!- prodatalab [~prodatala@2602:306:ceef:a750:6526:1d61:aaf2:1495] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:28 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:31 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:33 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:34 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:41 -!- arubi_ [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:53 -!- jeremyrubin [~jeremyrub@2601:6:8000:4a8:62c5:47ff:fe92:4e26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53 -!- unlord_ [~nathan@pool-173-79-149-156.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:56 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:56 -!- unlord [~nathan@pool-173-79-149-156.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:59 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:04 -!- airbreather [~AirBreath@d149-67-99-43.nap.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- airbreather [~AirBreath@d149-67-99-43.nap.wideopenwest.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:05 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtagg_@cpe-69-23-213-3.ma.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:05 -!- hashtagg [~hashtagg_@cpe-69-23-213-3.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:22 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:25 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:27 -!- zooko [~user@12.216.210.219] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:39 -!- arubi_ [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:49 -!- jeremyrubin [~jeremyrub@c-76-118-176-78.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:55 -!- hashtagg_ [~hashtag@87.97.50.127.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:58 -!- antanst [~Adium@adsl-98.176.58.243.tellas.gr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards --- Log closed Sun Apr 26 00:00:02 2015