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ZZZzzz…] 08:47 < fluffypony> this is like Ethereal Verses, but for startups: https://fusiondotnet.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/iterating-grace_digitized_small.pdf 08:48 < fluffypony> plus the author is unknown, big mystery and all that 08:53 -!- jae [~jae@12.236.175.36] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:54 -!- jae is now known as Guest4135 08:56 -!- cosmo [~james@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cosmo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:02 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:03 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@ip1f10af17.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:15 -!- Guest4135 [~jae@12.236.175.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18 -!- cosmo [~james@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cosmo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:19 -!- cosmo [~james@unaffiliated/cosmo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:23 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-148-81.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:24 -!- damethos 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students. It had many more features based on the representation problem, and an extension of the Schnorr signature scheme. It had blind signatures, which are necessary for privacy, and it supported multiple denominations, and it did not have the single denomination efficiency problem." <-- what is this? 11:34 < nsh> oh, never mind. got it 11:36 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@unaffiliated/wallet42] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:36 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:43 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:46 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:47 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49 -!- crainbf [~briancrai@p4FE4F198.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:50 < nsh> are we absolutely certain it's not possible to do a trusted-setup in secure multiparty computation with enough distribution of trust as to give reasonable confidence that it can't be consolidated again? 11:51 < nsh> [ie, enough participants] 11:52 < kanzure> maybe there are trusted setup fraud proof mechanisms 11:53 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:58 -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@c-24-22-67-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:01 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:02 -!- nemild [~nemild@cpe-72-225-229-25.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:03 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:03 -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:05 -!- crainbf [~briancrai@p4FE4F198.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: crainbf] 12:05 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:08 -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@c-24-22-67-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10 < nsh> sadly no, the rule is that systems requiring trusted setup tend to invoke startlingly untraceable fraud for anyone with the trapdoor 12:10 < nsh> i can't think of any where abuse of the trapdoor is detectable, in a distributed system 12:11 -!- nemild [~nemild@cpe-72-225-229-25.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: nemild] 12:13 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@vpn19.hotsplots.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:13 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@vpn19.hotsplots.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:13 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:15 < jgarzik> Updated BIP 100 draft: http://gtf.org/garzik/bitcoin/BIP100-blocksizechangeproposal.pdf 12:17 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:18 < kanzure> nsh: well i was thinking of some single-use key scenario, but i see your point 12:19 * nsh nods 12:20 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:22 -!- wallet421 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:22 -!- wallet421 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:22 -!- wallet421 [~wallet42@unaffiliated/wallet42] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:22 -!- wallet42 is now known as Guest54301 12:22 -!- Guest54301 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Killed (tepper.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 12:22 -!- wallet421 is now known as wallet42 12:26 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@unaffiliated/wallet42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:29 < nsh> #nsactions floating around and spaced out in time, it's not obvious that you paid $5. You know and the merchant knows it, but the merchant doesn't know it.' 12:30 < nsh> * 'Another one is merge avoidance which is just that in the payment protocol you can pay for a transaction in multiple parts. If you need to pay $15, if you pay you know $5 three times and there's lots of $5 transactions floating around and spaced out in time, it's not obvious that you paid $5. You know and the merchant knows it, but the merchant doesn't know it.' 12:30 < nsh> not sure how to fix that without listening to the talk 12:38 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:40 -!- xcthulhu [~mpwd@pine.noqsi.com] has quit [Quit: xcthulhu] 12:53 -!- antanst [~Adium@adsl-142.176.58.227.tellas.gr] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 12:56 -!- CodeShark [~textual@cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:57 * nsh wonders why the proof of no-wrapping in single-homomorphic ElGamal or other contexts is the 'expensiver, larger' kind 12:58 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:58 < gmaxwell> nsh: larger compared to what? 12:59 < nsh> from the context i guess larger than snark-type proofs ( http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/bitcoin-adam3us-fungibility-privacy/ ) 12:59 < nsh> -- 12:59 < nsh> o then there's the idea that you could do something to cryptographically hide the value in a way that would be compatible with bitcoin. There's a homomorphic encryption method. There's also single-homomorphic encryption, which means you could have encrypted values such that you have an encrypted value A, and add to the ciphertext the encrypted value of B, and the result is the decryption of A + B. So decryption can work through encryption for some scheme 12:59 < nsh> s like ElGamal which works with a variant elliptic curve (51m 39sec). This addition is not normal addition, it's addition modulo n the order of the curve. Knowing that, if you were using these coins, you could add n to your balance, so it oculd become an easy way to print unlimited amounts of bitcoin basically, so you have to use a zero-knowledge range proof to prevent the wrapping, and it's an expensive larger kind of proof. 12:59 < nsh> This zero-knowledge range proof from Schoenmakers 2000 ish, I tried to optimize it. The normal bitcoin value is 8 bytes, 64 bits, and the optimized range proof in homomorphic value is about 1 kilobyte per encrypted value. That's quite a bit of bloat, but it could be interesting for high-value transactions where you don't want to reveal the contract amount or something. Basically it just works because the exponent or the scalar multiplies in elliptic curv 12:59 < nsh> e notation add up. So there's a random value x, which is just to hide the values which cannot be bruteforced, and then a second base h and the value is v, and it also works with unencrypted values, you can mix both encrypted and unencrypted values. You need the fee to be in the clear so that the miner can accept it. It's a different privacy feature than cryptographically anonymous coins. The transactions are linkable, but people can't tell how much money 12:59 < nsh> is changing hands. 13:00 < nsh> -- 13:00 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:01 < nsh> can you not do something like have an additional quadratic function of the total and an argument that the relation that only holds for n equals 1 13:01 < nsh> (relation between the linear function and quadratic function) 13:01 < gmaxwell> You cannot compute point times point in a regular ec group. 13:02 < nsh> oh, right 13:02 -!- nessence [~alexl@c-68-51-194-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:02 < nsh> could you pair with another nonlinear function that doesn't require point multiplication? 13:03 -!- gielbier [~giel@f142219.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:11 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@176.219.162.39] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:16 -!- crainbf [~briancrai@p4FE4F198.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:18 -!- crainbf 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I pay to learn. pm me." ... ::sigh:: re people spamming #bitcoin-dev about their new coin creations when they dunno how to even compile the software. :( 17:13 -!- Guest62888 [~Mclare@179.110.222.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:13 < midnightmagic> I'd buy that for a dollar.. 17:21 -!- sundance [~sid16@tor-exit.echelon.nsa.network] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:25 -!- xcthulhu [~mpwd@pine.noqsi.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:30 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@ip1f10af17.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:31 -!- Guest62888 [~Mclare@179.110.222.125] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:32 -!- Guest62888 is now known as DanielBTC 17:34 -!- d1ggy_ [~d1ggy@dslb-088-070-180-006.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:37 -!- d1ggy [~d1ggy@dslb-188-108-249-105.188.108.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:40 -!- Populus [Populus@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-nqnufjkjfxztqpng] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|zZz 17:41 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:45 -!- Mably [~Mably@unaffiliated/mably] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:50 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@239-196-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55 -!- Meisterbrau [~Meisterbr@unaffiliated/meisterbrau] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:55 < Meisterbrau> http://bitcoinmacroeconomics.com/2015/06/12/velazquez-vs-werdum-ufc-188/ LIVE UFC / PLACE YOUR BET IN SECONDS 17:58 -!- mode/#bitcoin-wizards [+o gmaxwell] by ChanServ 17:58 -!- spinza [~spin@197.89.23.167] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:58 -!- mode/#bitcoin-wizards [+b *!*@unaffiliated/meisterbrau] by gmaxwell 17:58 -!- Meisterbrau was kicked from #bitcoin-wizards by gmaxwell [Meisterbrau] 18:01 -!- kgk [~kgk@76.14.85.43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:02 -!- spinza [~spin@197.89.23.167] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:06 -!- xcthulhu [~mpwd@pine.noqsi.com] has quit [Quit: xcthulhu] 18:22 -!- nessence_ [~alexl@166.170.23.115] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26 -!- xcthulhu [~mpwd@pine.noqsi.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:30 -!- GAit [~lnahum@2-230-161-158.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32 -!- adam3us [~Adium@c3-219.i07-1.onvol.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32 -!- GAit [~lnahum@2-230-161-158.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:32 -!- adam3us [~Adium@c3-219.i07-1.onvol.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:33 -!- zooko [~user@c-73-181-114-84.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36 -!- joecool [~joecool@no-sources/joecool] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:55 -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@c-24-22-67-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:57 -!- Dr-G [~Dr-G@unaffiliated/dr-g] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:57 -!- Dr-G2 [~Dr-G@x4d08d082.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:58 -!- nessence [~alexl@c-68-51-194-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:01 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:04 -!- OneFixt [~OneFixt@unaffiliated/onefixt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05 -!- OneFixt [~OneFixt@unaffiliated/onefixt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:07 -!- zooko [~user@c-73-181-114-84.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:18 -!- kgk [~kgk@76.14.85.43] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Oh, I think I just created it. 20:51 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:51 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:52 < zooko> Also, I'd like to point out something to you about that theory of the mechanics of aging and why keto diet should be expected to slow aging if that mechanical explanation is right. 20:52 < kanzure> i suggested ##hplusroadmap for that 20:52 < zooko> ... as soon as you join #bitcoin-wizards-offtopic, or direct me to another forum and tell me that you really want to hear ... 20:52 < zooko> Ok! 20:52 < zooko> Sorry, I forgot that channel last time around. Writing it down ... 20:52 < kanzure> anyway, anti-inflammation stuff seems kinda obvious 20:54 -!- zooko [~user@c-73-181-114-84.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54 -!- goregrind [~goregrind@unaffiliated/goregrind] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55 -!- zooko [~user@c-73-181-114-84.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:03 -!- Starduster [~sd@unaffiliated/starduster] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:03 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04 -!- p15 [~p15@182.50.108.66] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:05 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has left #bitcoin-wizards ["WeeChat 1.1.1"] 21:05 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:05 -!- goregrind [~goregrind@unaffiliated/goregrind] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:10 -!- xcthulhu [~mpwd@pine.noqsi.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:16 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@tmo-106-47.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:16 -!- ebfull [~ebfull@c-76-120-40-34.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: cya] 21:16 -!- ebfull [~ebfull@c-76-120-40-34.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:47 -!- darwin__ [~darwin@88-103-255-166.jes.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:47 -!- darwin_ [~darwin@88-103-255-166.jes.cz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:49 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:53 -!- zooko [~user@c-73-181-114-84.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:57 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@tmo-106-47.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:11 -!- xcthulhu [~mpwd@pine.noqsi.com] has quit [Quit: xcthulhu] 22:26 -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@c-24-22-67-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36 -!- sy5error [~sy5error@unaffiliated/sy5error] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38 -!- frankenm_ [~frankenmi@c-24-22-67-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:40 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:49 -!- frankenm_ [~frankenmi@c-24-22-67-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51 -!- frankenm_ [~frankenmi@c-24-22-67-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:51 -!- bosma [~bosma@S01067cb21bda6531.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51 -!- arubi_ [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:04 -!- darwin_ [~darwin@88-103-255-166.jes.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04 -!- darwin_ [~darwin@88-103-255-166.jes.cz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:05 -!- bosma [~bosma@S01067cb21bda6531.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:07 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Quit: Insufficient entropy for original quit message] 23:07 -!- mjerr [~mjerr@p578EB3B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:10 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:13 -!- Crowley4k [uid81280@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qqchjgmbckrenrmy] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:14 -!- helo_ is now known as helo 23:15 -!- jtimon [~quassel@124.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:17 -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:25 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-185-201-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27 -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:30 <@gmaxwell> FWIW, after the positive reaction on reddit, I linked the CT writeup on hackernews. 23:35 -!- gielbier [~giel@f142219.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:36 -!- _biO_ [~biO_@ip-37-24-195-112.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:39 -!- goregrind [~goregrind@unaffiliated/goregrind] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39 -!- pollux-bts [uid52270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qovwnxwpwooyiwqc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:42 -!- antanst [~Adium@adsl-142.176.58.227.tellas.gr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:44 -!- antanst [~Adium@adsl-142.176.58.227.tellas.gr] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 23:45 -!- Starduster [~sd@unaffiliated/starduster] has joined #bitcoin-wizards --- Log closed Sun Jun 14 00:00:41 2015