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00:01 < www> hi
00:01 < www> can you encrypt/decrypt messages using Secp256k1 ?
00:08 < www> i have heard conflicting statements - who knows for sure?
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00:13 < fluffypony> www: secp256k1 is *just* an elliptic curve
00:13 < fluffypony> that said, you can use ECIES
00:13 < fluffypony> (Elliptic Curve Integrated Encryption Scheme)
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00:14 < fluffypony> here's an implementation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=627927.0
00:14 < fluffypony> here's another one: https://github.com/planetbeing/bitcoin-encrypt
00:14 < fluffypony> both use ECIES
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00:16 < www> thanks fluffypony
00:16 < www> 'a little known elliptic curve encryption system using ECDH and a Symmetric Cipher '
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00:40 < amiller> that seems a lot like DHAES https://www.iacr.org/cryptodb/data/paper.php?pubkey=11329
00:41 < amiller> if you really want to stick within bitcoin crypto
00:42 < fluffypony> it's an improvement on DHAES
00:42 < fluffypony> from 2 or 3 years later
00:42 < amiller> you could chain sha256s together for your symmetric crypto
00:42 < fluffypony> http://www.shoup.net/papers/iso-2_1.pdf
00:43 < fluffypony> "ECIES has been standardized in ANSI X9.63, IEEE 1363a, ISO/IEC 18033-2, and SECG SEC-1"
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01:23 < nsh> .wik Forking lemma
01:23 < yoleaux> "The forking lemma is any of a number of related lemmas in cryptography research." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forking_lemma
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05:48 < waxwing> Electrum is using ECIES now, plus other things too, i forgot .. maybe subspace?
05:48 < waxwing> disclaimer: i have the memory of a goldfish
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05:53 < fluffypony> waxwing: I believe it's all telepathy nowadays
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05:57 < waxwing> yeah, it was subspace i was thinking of
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07:04 < kanzure> waxwing: perhaps it was mentioned in http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-bitcoin-selection-cryptography/
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07:05 < waxwing> kanzure: i know that story quite intimately 'cos i was the one who alerted gmaxwell to it here on IRC :)
07:05 < waxwing> i just have a feelign that it's been redone on electrum, but properly. i may be imagining that though
07:05 < waxwing> as for subspace, they are using ECIES via pyelliptic
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07:15 < instagibbs> falsehoods must be spread in *latex* form *wags finger at jgarzik BIP100 pdf*
07:17 < instagibbs> Checking namecoin github... namecoin hasn't had a merge in half a year AFAICT. Namecore(?) is much more active.
07:18 < instagibbs> (not calling your bip falsehood, just goofing)
07:18 < zooko> I've been chatting with Namecoin devs who told me that they were working on stuff.
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07:18 < zooko> But I didn't look at commit logs.
07:19 < instagibbs> dunno, just reporting my 10 second google search :)
07:19 < instagibbs> makes me an expert
07:19 < zooko> :-)
07:19 < zooko> More than me!
07:19 < zooko> Or, we're different kinds of experts.
07:20 < zooko> amiller: it seems to me that Namecoin has never (yet) offered the actual functionality that is its suppose added functionality on top of being a currency.
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07:20 < zooko> Because, that functionality requires being accessible+integrated into the web browsers of hundreds of millions of normal users.
07:20 < zooko> And Namecoin has never (yet) done that.
07:22 < midnightmagic> namecoin is not where the current namecoin developers are doing their work and is essentially abandoned.
07:23 < instagibbs> that was my only reasonable interpretation of zooko and my observations :)
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07:26 < instagibbs> midnightmagic: any details on where then? I'd like to follow the work
07:29 < midnightmagic> yep. i believe right here is where miners are supposed to get their namecoind from: https://github.com/namecoin/namecore.git
07:31 < instagibbs> thanks. Alright back to work
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07:36 < zooko> midnightmagic: thanks!
07:40  * nsh squares zooko's bar tab
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07:41  * zooko looks askance at nsh
07:41 < zooko> huh?
07:41 < nsh> i can't square your circle, but i can pay for you drinks
07:41 < zooko> :-)
07:41 < nsh> it was a silly gesture of friendship :)
07:41 < zooko> Thanks!
07:42 < nsh> np
07:42 < nsh> *triangle even
07:42 < zooko> I was thinking of visiting UK soon, but it looks like I might be headed for S. Korea instead ...
07:42 < nsh> ah
07:42 < nsh> for recreation or ?
07:42 < zooko> Okay, my 5 year old is waiting for me to play Minecraft with him so he can show me a new house he has constructed...
07:42 < zooko> nsh: yes!
07:42 < zooko> ;-)
07:42 < zooko> bye for now!
07:42 < nsh> hope you have fun :)
07:43 < nsh> o/
07:43 < fluffypony> lol nsh
07:43  * fluffypony got the squaring joke
07:44  * nsh smiles
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11:36 < mrkent> Any well documented descriptions of what happened with the testnet fork a few weeks back?
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11:40 < MRL-Relay> [shen] www perhaps see https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/34567/ecc-in-openpgp
11:40 < MRL-Relay> [shen] oops didn't scroll to bottom
11:40 < MRL-Relay> [shen] :p
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