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Even a modest deceleration of Moore's law can have a dramatic effect: a five per cent reduction in the pace of gate-length shrinkage -- from 16 percent to 11 per cent per year -- increases the available time to develop products within a technology generation by 50 per cent, from two years up to three." 12:27 -!- jaekwon [~jae@204.14.159.153] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:27 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@c-98-207-208-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:35 -!- erasmospunk [~erasmospu@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/erasmospunk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:44 -!- goregrind [~goregrind@unaffiliated/goregrind] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51 -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:51 -!- dc17523be3 [unknown@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-vtuagmrbbaewkizu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53 -!- dc17523be3 [unknown@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-cxtnibkdtdjqcjcz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:55 -!- goregrind [~goregrind@unaffiliated/goregrind] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:00 -!- reach4thelasers [~Kevin@90.222.8.123] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:03 -!- rodarmor [~rodarmor@static-100-38-11-146.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:04 -!- rodarmor [~rodarmor@static-100-38-11-146.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:07 -!- Tryc [~jakob@188.120.84.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:08 -!- Tryc [~jakob@188.120.84.132] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:10 -!- Tryc [~jakob@188.120.84.132] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 13:12 -!- drwin [~drwin@88-103-255-166.jes.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13 -!- drwin [~drwin@88-103-255-166.jes.cz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:20 -!- reach4thelasers [~Kevin@90.222.8.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:34 < gmaxwell> kanzure: did you see the link I shared yesturday in #bitcoin? Intel is slipping their 10nm node shirnk substantially. :( 13:35 < kanzure> nope didn't see, whoops 13:48 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:49 -!- mjerr [~mjerr@p578EB810.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:50 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@206.110.20.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:51 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:52 -!- Mably [~Mably@unaffiliated/mably] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:52 -!- Mably [~Mably@unaffiliated/mably] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:56 -!- mjerr [~mjerr@p578EB810.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:05 -!- hashtag [~hashtag@cpe-98-157-219-44.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:14 -!- dEBRUYNE_ [~dEBRUYNE@239-196-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:14 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@239-196-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:18 -!- shen_noe2 [~shen_noe@wired094.math.utah.edu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:18 -!- shen_noe [~shen_noe@wired094.math.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20 -!- reach4thelasers [~Kevin@90.222.8.123] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:23 -!- jaekwon [~jae@204.14.159.153] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23 -!- b_lumenkraft [~b_lumenkr@unaffiliated/b-lumenkraft/x-4457406] has quit [Quit: b_lumenkraft] 14:24 -!- reach4thelasers [~Kevin@90.222.8.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:25 -!- jaekwon [~jae@204.14.159.153] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:26 -!- jaekwon [~jae@204.14.159.153] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27 -!- alawson [~alawson@87.121.52.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28 -!- shen_noe2 [~shen_noe@wired094.math.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:28 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-7-41.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30 -!- nubbins` [~leel@unaffiliated/nubbins] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:32 -!- drwin [~drwin@88-103-255-166.jes.cz] has quit [] 14:32 -!- kgk [~kgk@70-36-237-242.dedicated.static.sonic.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:37 -!- kgk [~kgk@70-36-237-242.dedicated.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Listenbing? 18:44 -!- hashtag [~hashtag@cpe-69-23-213-3.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:45 < prosodyContext> (Serry I∫ ionttearupted ur group order bitinterrogangbanglil) 18:45 -!- mode/#bitcoin-wizards [+b *!*@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uahxhgeqpnkvmdog] by gwillen 18:45 -!- prosodyContext was kicked from #bitcoin-wizards by gwillen [prosodyContext] 18:46 -!- mode/#bitcoin-wizards [+b *!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-bdsegnkqppgvahtp] by gwillen 18:46 -!- MatrixBridge was kicked from #bitcoin-wizards by gwillen [MatrixBridge] 18:46 -!- mode/#bitcoin-wizards [+b *!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fxdoofrzygycclgu] by gwillen 18:46 -!- M-_mis was kicked from #bitcoin-wizards by gwillen [M-_mis] 18:47 -!- mode/#bitcoin-wizards [+b *!*@*matrix.org*] by gwillen 18:50 -!- Dr-G [~Dr-G@unaffiliated/dr-g] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:50 -!- Dr-G2 [~Dr-G@x4d08a4dd.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:01 -!- jaekwon [~jae@2601:645:c001:263a:d146:b810:d19f:9120] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:10 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:16 < rusty> May I ask a(nother) dumb q? Why is 160 bits good enough for bitcoin addresses, and does the same logic apply to things like atomic swaps (or, Lightning network transfers)? 19:21 -!- kgk [~kgk@76.14.85.43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:22 < Luke-Jr> rusty: 2^160 is hard to bruteforce? 19:23 < rusty> Luke-Jr: not as hard as 256 bits :) 19:25 < rusty> Luke-Jr: I'm guessing the logic runs something like "there are less than 2^32 addresses in the utxo set at any time, so it's still > 2^128 attempts to steal funds". 19:31 -!- kgk [~kgk@76.14.85.43] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 19:31 < Luke-Jr> rusty: but 256 bits makes more letters 19:32 < rusty> Luke-Jr: Of course. But 160 makes more letters than 64 too.... 19:33 -!- gsdgdfs [~Trans@66.130.3.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:33 -!- Transisto2 [~Trans@173.231.157.83] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:33 < rusty> Luke-Jr: that's why I was interested in the tradeoffs. 19:43 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@c-98-207-208-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:51 -!- Kevin_ [~Kevin@90.209.164.149] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:53 -!- reach4thelasers [~Kevin@90.222.8.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:53 -!- jaekwon [~jae@2601:645:c001:263a:d146:b810:d19f:9120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Like 1% or something. 23:44 -!- jaekwon [~jae@c-98-234-63-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:49 < gmaxwell> Taek: then someone would have to find 200 nodes to connect to to have a good chance of recovering blocks, and pruning to less than 1% wouldn't be possible? 23:50 < gmaxwell> I guess this would address the 'locator problem', OTOH the block data stored that way would _only_ be useful for IBD, not any other purpose, which is a bit of a bummer. 23:50 -!- Mably [~Mably@unaffiliated/mably] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:51 < Taek> locator problem? Also, not sure what you mean about the pruning. 23:51 < Taek> presumably, if you wanted the whole blockchain more more things than just verification, you'd run different software. I'm just trying to get the impact of running a full validating node down. 23:51 < gmaxwell> Taek: figuring out what nodes have what blocks, efficiently. 23:52 < Taek> ah 23:52 < gmaxwell> Taek: prior proposal was to just store a desterminstic subset of blocks, efficiently signaled. 23:53 < gmaxwell> one issue with fountain codes is that if someone craps up the data you'll just fail the decode... you can't tell which peers gave you bad data until you can recover the block... bit annoying to recover from. 23:53 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:54 < Taek> hmm yeah. Especially if you are depending on 100+ nodes to not be malicious 23:54 -!- MoltenBosnia [~bosma@S01067cb21bda6531.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55 -!- bosma [~bosma@S01067cb21bda6531.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:57 < gmaxwell> if they had a fair proportion of the nodes as sybil attackers, it could be really substantially jammed. 23:58 -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:58 < gmaxwell> As once there is more than one invalid peer there is a combinitoric explosion. There might be a fast algorithim for excluding groups of conflicting nodes, if you can greatly oversample. 23:59 < gmaxwell> e.g. maybe with the right scheme we could make stronger results about your ability to be successful if you fetch from 800 nodes. --- Log closed Fri Jul 17 00:00:13 2015