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change the dbcache while bitcoin-core (d/qt) is running (in theory!)? 04:26 < jonasschnelli> something like 1) flush 2) change cache size 04:39 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@unaffiliated/wallet42] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:44 -!- binaryFateCloud [~jeremie@joule.ulb.ac.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:51 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:55 -!- erasmospunk [~erasmospu@151.41.30.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:57 -!- maaku [~quassel@botbot.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01 -!- justice [~textual@HSI-KBW-37-209-26-147.hsi15.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:05 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@210.1.64.130] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:06 -!- Sandor_Kolar [~zodiac@95.155.7.247] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:15 -!- Sandor_Kolar [~zodiac@95.155.7.247] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 05:17 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@210.1.64.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:18 -!- wallet42 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Informally, it asks whether every problem whose solution can be quickly verified by a computer can also be quickly solved by a computer. 09:56 -!- ale______ [~alex@96.90.231.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57 -!- [d__d] [~d__d]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:57 < sipa> sounds right, but what is the context? 09:58 -!- alex_____ [~alex@96.90.231.161] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:59 -!- Guest22844 [02341564@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.52.21.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:59 < phyl729> none! 10:00 * Taek was intruiged, now is sad 10:01 < sipa> so it is context free? 10:02 < Taek> I tried really hard not to laugh out loud, but failed. 10:07 -!- melvster [~melvster@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:08 -!- dave4925 [dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09 -!- calibre720 [~calibre72@triband-mum-120.62.161.163.mtnl.net.in] has quit 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idea with bitcoin, I was thinking of adding some sort of 'layer'? to it to add an extra kinda layer of security using stenograpgy, would this be amicable do you reckon or a waste of time? I am at the beginnings of understanding the bitcoin source code at the moment 15:57 < nsh> so this is an active area of research, but not really using that kind of layered abstraction 15:58 < nsh> confidential transactions is one implementation, in testing with the alpha sidechain 15:58 -!- bramc [~bram@38.99.42.130] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:59 < nsh> other efforts use zero-knowledge argument systems to allow for arithmetic properties of transactions to be verified (no money appears from nowhere) while maintaining the privacy of transaction participants and amounts to some degree 15:59 < nsh> unless you mean concealing the fact that a user it interacting with the payment network in terms of traffic 15:59 < nsh> *is 16:00 < tulip> SomeT: stenography probably isn't what you're looking for at any rate, it's obfuscation rather than security. 16:01 < AdrianG> tulip: you could splice in encrypted data that looks nearly random, even if extracted. 16:01 < nsh> *steganography is not necessarily obfuscation and can be used with high security strong cryptography 16:01 < nsh> (in fact it's kinda silly to use it without first strongly-encrypting) 16:02 < AdrianG> steganography is about plausible deniability, rather than obfuscation, imo. 16:02 < tulip> it's still obfuscating the cipher text though, rather than having any security in itself though. 16:02 < SomeT> I mean I was looking at using it at that level not just adding one layer of stenography to it 16:03 < SomeT> I am still in the extreme early stages, I just thought this would be an interesting project to help me get from intermediate c++ to advanced kinda level 16:05 < tulip> AdrianG: maybe, I personally filed it away as something neat but with limited real world application. 16:06 < bramc> Steganography generally speaking adds a ridiculous amount of overhead, the covertext:ciphertext ration is about 500:1 on a warm day 16:08 < SomeT> ok but logically that over head can be managed somehow? 16:09 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:09 < tulip> depends what you're thinking of doing with it in relation to Bitcoin. 16:11 < SomeT> I mean firstly it would be to see if its possible, then to see if people would buy into the idea, then hopefully branch off into some sort of alt coin 16:11 < SomeT> (obviously in not a simplistic way) 16:11 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:13 < tulip> I don't see any use for classical stenography in Bitcoin really. trying to obscure transaction or block traffic by stuffing it into other unrelated streams of data might be interesting, but that's a p2p protocol layer rather than anything consensus related. 16:13 < SomeT> um your points are interesting 16:13 < SomeT> think still I might start by reading up on stenography 16:14 < SomeT> and see if I can notice anything and I may be back in that respect with a few more questions 16:14 < tulip> as you wish. 16:14 < erasmospunk> anybody would like a peer review a BIP I am drafting? 16:14 < tulip> sure. 16:14 < SomeT> I am not ignoring what has been said to me 16:15 < SomeT> I am not going to invest time in something that is not amicable 16:15 < SomeT> anyway thanks again 16:15 < SomeT> cya 16:15 -!- SomeT [~SomeT@31.205.90.67] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 16:16 < Jeremy_Rand> Hello. In a hypothetical coin where unspent outputs expire after some time of not being spent, what additional attack vectors get introduced if the outputs expire based on a fixed time difference in block timestamps, as opposed to a fixed difference in block height? 16:16 < Jeremy_Rand> (I assume there are additional attack vectors?) 16:17 < erasmospunk> Jeremy_Rand: it would get complicated to combine inputs 16:18 < Jeremy_Rand> erasmospunk: can you elaborate on that? 16:18 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:18 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@75.98.116.4] has quit [Quit: Lightsword] 16:20 < erasmospunk> Jeremy_Rand: say that I have 2 UTXOs with one expiring in 1 day and the other in 7 days. When should the new output expire? 16:21 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:21 < Jeremy_Rand> erasmospunk: let's say that the expiry time is a fixed duration (common to all UTXO's) after the UTXO is mined 16:22 < Jeremy_Rand> (so if you want to keep your coins, you must spend them at least once per duration) 16:24 < erasmospunk> Jeremy_Rand: give me a couple of minutes to formulate a response 16:24 < Jeremy_Rand> erasmospunk: ok 16:25 < aj> Jeremy_Rand: i'd be worried about clumping -- bunch of outputs in one block all expire in the same future block, so might all get spent at the same time so they don't get lost 16:27 < Jeremy_Rand> I should probably disclose that I'm primarily interested in this question in the context of naming coins, where name outputs have to expire in some way. (Although I'm also interested in responses about currency applications, because it interests me abstractly too.) 16:27 < Jeremy_Rand> as one example of an attack vector I'm curious about, is there a way that miners could steal coins or force them to expire by messing with the block timestamps, if expiry is based on block timestamp? 16:28 < aj> Jeremy_Rand: bip113 avoids miners messing with block timestamps a bit 16:29 < aj> s/avoids/prevents/ 16:29 * Jeremy_Rand goes to lookup BIP113, as I don't remember what it does off the top of my head 16:31 -!- Guest46010 is now known as amiller 16:31 -!- amiller [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:31 -!- amiller [~socrates1@unaffiliated/socrates1024] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:31 < erasmospunk> Jeremy_Rand: In that case instead of measuring the value of an output in satoshis, we apply the formula number of satoshis * 2^(1/number of blocks) 16:33 < erasmospunk> this value will degrade 10x 16:34 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@75.98.116.4] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:36 < Jeremy_Rand> aj: ah, BIP 113 does indeed seem like an improvement in this respect. 16:36 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@2a02:8108:73f:f6e4:e23f:49ff:fe47:9364] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:36 < Jeremy_Rand> aj: hypothetically, could BIP 113 be modified to use a much longer period? Let's say, thousands of blocks instead of 11? Would it have any bad effects if it were done? 16:37 < Jeremy_Rand> (I guess another question is, would that have any beneficial effects either?) 16:38 < Jeremy_Rand> e.g. more time to detect misbehaving or malicious miners? 16:39 < Jeremy_Rand> err, thinking about it, I guess that would make the exact time specified by the lock time, much less precise? 16:40 < erasmospunk> Jeremy_Rand: I think the mean previous time is pretty accurate of the reality 16:42 < bramc> okay I've written my proof checking functions. An amusingly insidious and easy to write bug is to accept proofs of inclusion as proofs of exclusion. 16:43 < Jeremy_Rand> erasmospunk: ok. So relying on the BIP 113 timestamps is believed to be acceptable security-wise for preventing undesired expiration/theft of coins? 16:46 < aj> Jeremy_Rand: median time of the last 10 blocks should usually be about 50 minutes ago; median time of the last 1000 blocks would be a week ago... 16:47 < aj> Jeremy_Rand: "acceptable" is a judgement call, it's an improvement though... 16:48 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:48 < Jeremy_Rand> aj: right. But I guess the last 1000 blocks would have substantially higher uncertainty, since it's more suceptible to hashrate changes? 16:49 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@56-197-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:49 < Jeremy_Rand> aj: so, a number of Namecoin users are unhappy that they can't predict exactly when their 36000 block expiry time will hit. It sounds like using the BIP 113 timestamps would be an improvement in terms of certainty. Unless I'm misunderstanding something about threat model differences between the approaches. 16:50 < aj> Jeremy_Rand: the more blocks the more any manipulation should be averaged out 16:51 -!- pozitron [~nu@158.69.172.227] has quit [K-Lined] 16:52 < Jeremy_Rand> aj: yeah, it averages out, I guess, but aren't the latter half of the blocks going to be influenced by whether the mining hashrate of the network is increasing or decreasing over that time period? 16:52 < Jeremy_Rand> like, if the network is accelerating its hashrate, then 500 blocks is over a shorter clock time span 16:53 < Jeremy_Rand> whereas 5 blocks doesn't really matter as much given the same accelerating hashrate? 16:54 < aj> Jeremy_Rand: if you're using median time past, you're comparing actual time to block timestamps; block height doesn't matter 16:55 -!- ttttemp_ [~ttttemp@pc-10236.ethz.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:56 < Jeremy_Rand> aj: but the difference between the median time past and the time that the current block was mined, will be fuzzier, no? Or am I highly confused? 16:58 < aj> Jeremy_Rand: hmm, i'm not sure. you could do some statistics on past block times to work it out though 16:58 -!- ttttemp [~ttttemp@pc-5305.ethz.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02 < Jeremy_Rand> aj: hmm, yes, empiricism would probably resolve my confusion. I'll run some statistics sometime when I have a chance. 17:03 -!- Lightsword_ [~Lightswor@104.194.125.34] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:03 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@75.98.116.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:03 -!- Lightsword_ is now known as Lightsword 17:06 -!- kang_ [67efe9a9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.103.239.233.169] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:21 -!- Lightsword_ [~Lightswor@104.194.125.34] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:21 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plelaglosecqgxxh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:21 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@104.194.125.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21 -!- Lightsword_ is now known as Lightsword 17:23 -!- Lightsword_ [~Lightswor@66-87-79-103.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:25 -!- Yoghur114 [~jorn@g227014.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@104.194.125.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:26 -!- Lightsword_ is now known as Lightsword 17:27 -!- JackH [~Jack@host-80-43-143-143.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:34 -!- but_seriously [ce7b8221@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.206.123.130.33] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:35 < but_seriously> Hey all. 17:35 < but_seriously> I have an idea. 17:35 < but_seriously> A theoretical idea. 17:35 < but_seriously> It has probably been thought of many times before... 17:36 < but_seriously> Anyone? 17:36 < kang_> go on 17:38 < but_seriously> It occured to me that people mine for crypto's, just hashing blocks until the find a block that produces a hash that starts with the target string. 17:38 < but_seriously> I also see people wasting a lot of labour mining for "fictional" diamonds (etc) in minecraft. 17:38 < but_seriously> What we need is a fun way of combining the two. 17:39 < but_seriously> A minecraft that lets a player literally mine for blocks that produce an ore (or whatever) that can be converted to a crypto currency. 17:40 < smk> i think huntercoin addressed this concept a while back.. there are some others that have cropped up 17:40 < but_seriously> Everyone plays on the same map, and just like with the blockchain, P2P tech determines who found the ore first. 17:40 < Jeremy_Rand> but_seriously: yes, Huntercoin is basically exactly that 17:41 < but_seriously> And provides a method for distributing modified chunks with a little delay as possible. 17:41 < but_seriously> Cool.... huntercoin. Thanks. 17:42 < kang_> but_seriously: Also see BitQuest 17:43 < but_seriously> Yeah, it looks like huntercoin is asking people to buy "hunters" with bitcoin. That ain't what I'm talking about. I want a mining game that has no barrier to entry -- like conventional crypto's. 17:44 < but_seriously> Replete with a difficulty. 17:44 < but_seriously> I'll take a look at BitQuest. 17:44 < but_seriously> Thanks. 17:44 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lmpkubwdmeoftnbu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:47 < aj> but_seriously: if you do a game like that that's decentralised you won't be able to avoid people using bots to play it; if you centralise it, it's not really bitcoin-like 17:47 < aj> but_seriously: (IMO; feel free to prove me wrong) 17:47 < but_seriously> Yeah, BitQuest uses bitcoin micropayments as an in game currency, but does not allow you to mine anything that generates new bitcoins. 17:49 -!- moa [~kiwigb@opentransactions/dev/moa] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:49 < but_seriously> I don't mind people using bots to play it, if they have to code the behaviour of the bots. A 3d world, like minecraft, is not trivially easy to survive in and difficult to code for. Add to that lava pools and the usual fare and you'r bots are gonna need some good coding. 17:50 < but_seriously> And that's presuming there's now way round the problem you propose... 17:50 < but_seriously> no* 17:53 < but_seriously> It would have to be decentralised though, and that poses it's own problems. Updating the changes other players are making to the map would be tricky to achieve in near real time. As you approach another player on the map you would have to create a secondary P2P link, outside the blockchain/ledger that allows for realtime updates. 17:53 < but_seriously> Complicated, but there's bound to be a way. 17:55 < but_seriously> Obviously if changes are occurring elsewhere on the map, they can take there time to update. If a change has occurred thousands of voxels away and it would take your character 15 mins to travel there, then you don't need to receive those changes for 15 mins. 17:57 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:57 < but_seriously> Actually, it's not to say that the mined ore and subsequent production of crypto's from it wouldn't be something, but just figuring out a way to decentralise minecraft would be the real money spinner. 17:57 < but_seriously> MMMC 17:57 < but_seriously> Massively Multiplayer MineCraft. 17:58 < but_seriously> Anyway... work to do... 17:58 -!- but_seriously [ce7b8221@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.206.123.130.33] has quit [] 18:00 -!- melvster [~melvster@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:06 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:07 -!- alex_____ [~alex@96.90.231.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08 -!- melvster [~melvster@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:12 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@66-87-79-103.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13 -!- bendavenport [~bpd@96.90.231.161] has quit [Quit: bendavenport] 18:14 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@104.194.125.34] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:15 -!- Jeremy_Rand [~jeremy@172.56.7.50] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17 -!- Jeremy_Rand [~jeremy@172.56.7.50] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:19 -!- bramc [~bram@38.99.42.130] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:20 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@104.194.125.34] has quit [Quit: Lightsword] 18:24 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:28 -!- alex__ [~alex@c-73-231-188-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:33 -!- alex__ [~alex@c-73-231-188-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:33 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@104.194.125.34] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:37 -!- calibre720 [~calibre72@triband-mum-120.62.216.42.mtnl.net.in] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:38 -!- bramc [~bram@38.99.42.130] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:41 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@210.1.64.130] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:53 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@210.1.64.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:56 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@210.1.64.130] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:58 -!- calibre720 [~calibre72@triband-mum-120.62.216.42.mtnl.net.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:03 -!- CodeShark_ [~CodeShark@cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:05 -!- Guest19817239 [~Guest1981@vpn-user-1-31.itc.Virginia.EDU] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:08 -!- the`doctor [~the`docto@unaffiliated/thedoctor/x-1964342] has quit [Quit: the`doctor] 19:08 -!- roconnor [~roconnor@host-45-58-254-45.dyn.295.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:10 < Guest19817239> Hey everyone, I am taking a course on Bitcoin at uni and have to present on a project soon. 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