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talking about blocksize when it turns out we have twice as much capacity as we thought without doing anything. 04:30 -!- _Sam-- [~meat@ec2-52-192-143-219.ap-northeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:30 -!- _Sam-- [~meat@ec2-52-192-143-219.ap-northeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Changing host] 04:30 -!- _Sam-- [~meat@unaffiliated/sam--/x-573746] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:55 -!- polyclef [~polyclef@208.90.213.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:56 -!- GAit [~GAit@2-230-161-158.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:58 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:01 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:05 < aj> morcos: because anything less than 8x or 20x is as good as nothing? 05:05 < aj> morcos: at least, i think that's the mindset 05:06 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:08 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on every new wallet release. 16:36 < aj> rusty: oh, hey, i wonder how many actually blocks have their transactions order by decreasing fee-per-byte 16:36 < rusty> aj: I graphed a recent v4 block, it was exactly as expected. 16:37 < rusty> aj: a few priority txs at the front, then descending fee-per-byte, with about 20 little spikes where a dependent tx immediately followed its parent. 16:37 < rusty> (I cut it from the HK tlk for lack of time, but let me dig it up) 16:38 < rusty> aj: http://ozlabs.org/~rusty/diagrams/feerate.svg 16:39 < aj> rusty: interesting. with CPFP would expect those peaks to be accompanied by troughs... 16:40 < aj> rusty: (also, have you heard of log scales? :) 16:40 < rusty> aj: yes. 16:40 < rusty> aj: log scales are deceptive. Better to zoom in on the data you care about. 16:41 -!- erasmospunk [~erasmospu@179.43.177.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:42 < aj> rusty: well i'll grant you they don't work so well when some fees are 0, but so long as you think in terms of "they're paying twice/half as much" i don't think they're deceptive... 16:43 < rusty> aj: you always need a big disclaimer on log graphs. Sure, sometimes it's worth it, but generally I want to see the raw, zero-based data *first*, before any massaging like log scale or moving axes. 16:44 < bramc> I'm making it so that valid proofs of inclusion and exclusion are canonical: That is, there's exactly one valid proof of either inclusion or exclusion with no variation possible. I don't know if this property is important for anything, but I can make it happen so I'm doing it. 16:45 -!- smk [2ea6bce3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.166.188.227] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:47 -!- GAit [~GAit@2-230-161-158.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:52 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: GGuyZ] 16:52 < aj> rusty: oh, huh, median/percentile fees should be calculated by byte number rather than transaction number i guess 16:53 -!- liteIRC_ [~zooko@2607:fb90:190c:ba43:39e4:ce98:82e6:55d3] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:54 -!- desantis [~desantis@68.66.103.249] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:55 < rusty> aj: that graph is satoshi-per-kb. 16:56 -!- liteIRC___ [~zooko@2601:281:8001:26aa:689e:bb0e:b77b:c059] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:56 -!- liteIRC__ [~zooko@65.114.195.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:57 -!- liteIRC_ [~zooko@2607:fb90:190c:ba43:39e4:ce98:82e6:55d3] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:58 < aj> rusty: satoshi-per-kb vs kb right? yeah, that's the right way to do it, but not how i was thinking 16:59 < rusty> aj: Yeah, graphing x axis on byte offset would give a nice representation (area underneath == total fees). 17:01 < kanzure> segwit bip draft pull request https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/265 17:03 < bramc> It's a little odd to not be able to say where most of the transactions in the blockchain are coming from even when they have a very obvious commonality. That lends credence to the theory that most of the transactions in the blockchain are garbage. 17:09 -!- liteIRC___ [~zooko@2601:281:8001:26aa:689e:bb0e:b77b:c059] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11 -!- brg444 [18257df2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.37.125.242] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:13 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@bryan.fairlystable.org] has quit [Changing host] 17:13 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:14 -!- Jonathan is now known as cluckj 17:14 < el33th4x0r> kanzure: thanks for the pointer to the pull request 17:15 < el33th4x0r> "Transmission of signature data becomes optional" this doesn't sound like the right message to send out in a BIP. 17:17 < kanzure> https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases-faq 17:22 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23 -!- Jeremy_Rand_2 [~user@ip68-97-45-209.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:23 -!- 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ZZZzzz…] 20:07 -!- bt__ [~bz@104.156.228.171] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:08 -!- bt__ [~bz@104.156.228.171] has quit [Client Quit] 20:13 -!- el33th4x0r [68e5aa14@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.229.170.20] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 20:14 -!- _Sam-- [~meat@unaffiliated/sam--/x-573746] has quit [Quit: Remote Host Closed Connection] 20:16 -!- RedEmerald [~RedEmeral@216.240.130.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:19 -!- p15_ [~p15@99.91.145.64.client.static.strong-tk2.bringover.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:20 -!- RedEmerald [~RedEmeral@216.240.130.109] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:21 -!- p15 [~p15@34.91.145.64.client.static.strong-tk2.bringover.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:28 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:31 < tulip> bramc: that's probably not the wrong thought to have. 20:31 < tulip> recently it looks like a miner has removed their IsStandard checks and is mining stunningly large transactions. 568df930d2f7c930c0c31cc13a09f140ee541bd1859b34f59cb2a600609dd84d for example is almost 200KB and has 5000 (!) outputs. 20:33 < bramc> tulip, That's odd, did it have a decent transaction fee? 20:33 < tulip> zero. 20:35 < tulip> it's likely that one was accepted out of band and had the fee paid some other way. there's a good number of crazy large transactions around, and have been for years, which seem to have no objective other than filling blocks. 20:38 -!- thrasher` [~thrasher@ec2-54-66-203-250.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:38 -!- thrasher` [~thrasher@unaffiliated/thrasher/x-7291870] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:43 -!- pozitron [~nu@46.166.188.227] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:44 -!- vmatekol_ [~vmatekole@p5DDB85B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:44 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:50 < maaku> looks like a mining payout 20:51 < maaku> mined by f2pool, and wangchun was saying earlier that he was trying to keep certain transactions in mempool 20:51 < maaku> this would explain it 20:54 -!- zookolaptop is now known as zooko 20:58 < tulip> could be. 20:58 -!- bit2017 [~linker@171.250.100.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:58 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-139-55-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:16 -!- zooko [~user@c-73-229-199-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18 -!- zookolaptop [~user@2601:281:8001:26aa:e943:9716:86b3:613b] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:29 < bramc> Note to self: Don't forget about branch nodes. That's kind of an important case. 21:29 < bramc> I now have notes on my memory format in a comment in the code instead of scrawled on paper. This feels like a big improvement. 21:36 -!- jtimon [~quassel@74.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:48 -!- bit2017 [~linker@115.79.55.177] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:50 -!- jcorgan is now known as jcorgan|away 21:51 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:59 -!- adam3us1 [~Adium@141.8.72.43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:02 -!- adam3us [~Adium@37.75.46.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:13 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:15 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:21 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:58 -!- sparetire_ [~sparetire@unaffiliated/sparetire] has quit [Quit: sparetire_] 22:59 -!- p15_ [~p15@99.91.145.64.client.static.strong-tk2.bringover.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:07 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fkryewbhvicryhts] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:10 -!- tripleslash [~triplesla@unaffiliated/imsaguy] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:10 -!- tripleslash [~triplesla@unaffiliated/imsaguy] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:11 -!- melvster [~melvster@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:12 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:19 -!- jcorgan|away is now known as jcorgan 23:21 -!- desantis [~desantis@68.66.101.51] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:24 -!- melvster [~melvster@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:24 -!- jcorgan is now known as jcorgan|away 23:38 -!- matsjj [~matsjj@p5B209304.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:41 -!- desantis [~desantis@68.66.101.51] has quit [Quit: desantis] 23:45 -!- desantis [~desantis@68.66.101.51] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:48 -!- p15 [~p15@97.91.145.64.client.static.strong-tk2.bringover.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:53 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54 -!- moa [~kiwigb@opentransactions/dev/moa] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:56 -!- TBI [~TBI@154.92-220-180.customer.lyse.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards --- Log closed Wed Dec 23 00:00:44 2015