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Rusty Russell has indicated to me that most miners actually run bitcoind with default settings. Are there any indications that this may not be the case? I'm thinking about RBF policy, transaction selection, etc. Are there any evidence of selfish mining for example? Are there any writeups on this somewhere? 04:45 -!- conner [~conner@40.98.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:45 -!- conner [~conner@40.98.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 04:53 -!- shaul [~shaul@static-108-30-103-59.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:55 -!- atgreen [~green@CPE687f74122463-CM00fc8d24cab0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:58 -!- shaul [~shaul@static-108-30-103-59.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I wonder if he really did have a better proof of space. I most definitely look like to know about it if he did. 13:35 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@104-6-36-162.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:38 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@56-197-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:47 -!- _rht [uid86914@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cbuutscvtakatajj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:57 -!- hashtag [~hashtag@cpe-98-157-219-44.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59 -!- gwollon is now known as gwillen 14:02 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:04 < kanzure> bramc: he published his paper a week ago 14:04 < bramc> kanzure, Awesome, link? 14:04 < kanzure> yeah i sort of ignored this one. /me looks 14:05 -!- hashtag [~hashtag@cpe-98-157-219-44.ma.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:05 < kanzure> oh i have the wrong person in mind. i'm thinking of kushti, who did an "interactive proof-of-stake" paper: http://arxiv.org/abs/1601.00275 (alexander chepurnoy) 14:05 -!- IanT_ [~iant@ool-18b8112a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:10 -!- Monthrect is now known as Piper-Off 14:11 -!- brg444 [415ce066@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.92.224.102] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:15 < adlai> bsm117532: dead baby jokes will increase Bitcoin's mass market appeal,bringing exactly the kind of live babies Bitcoin must attract to survive 14:16 -!- hashtag [~hashtag@cpe-98-157-219-44.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:22 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.215.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:22 < kanzure> https://pwnaccelerator.github.io/2016/sshbleed.html 14:28 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:29 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.215.244] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:31 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-67-168-82-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:36 -!- IanT_ [~iant@ool-18b8112a.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: :)] 14:58 -!- IanT_ [~iant@ool-18b8112a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:00 -!- Erik_dc [~erik@d54C620ED.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02 -!- IanT_ [~iant@ool-18b8112a.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08 -!- hashtag [~hashtag@cpe-174-97-254-80.ma.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:15 -!- murch [~murch@p4FE39FE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15 -!- zookolaptop [~user@c-73-229-199-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:15 -!- murch [~murch@p4FE39FE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:19 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-67-168-82-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 15:24 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:27 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:31 < bramc> The whiny ragequit award goes to Mike Hearn. He even goes so far as to criticize segwit for 'only' adding 60% capacity, and says that it's 'too complicated' as if there's no reason for it other than the capacity increase. 15:32 -!- op_null [95ca4646@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.202.70.70] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:32 * adlai has a sense that he doesn't think there's a reason for bitcoin other than visa, either 15:33 < adlai> which is fine, people are allowed to hold wrong opinions 15:33 < adlai> kabaum: have you heard of SPV mining? 15:34 < adlai> it's a phenomenon wherein miners who execute a purely rational hack in an unfortunate manner increase the frequency of multi-block reorganizations 15:36 -!- mrkent_ [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:37 -!- brg444 [415ce066@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.92.224.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:37 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:37 < JackH> the article on Nytimes is a one sided story, apparently only told by Mike 15:37 -!- zookolaptop [~user@c-73-229-199-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:37 < bsm117532> Sounds like you're confusing SPV mining and selfish mining. Not the same thing... 15:37 < op_null> Do any bitcoin devs here think Vlad Zamfir's Casper proposal for PoS will work? 15:38 < JackH> it makes it sound like poor little Mike lost to maxwell, the guy they love to attack 15:38 < JackH> god what a rotten world 15:39 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:42 < adlai> bsm117532: how so? 15:43 < bramc> op_null, I doubt any of the core devs have looked into it in detail. Proof of stake isn't a popular thing to work on, because even if one were to fix all the myriad problems it has, some rather fundamental, it's still a centralized system, albeit a decentralized centralized system. 15:43 < Taek> I'd rather keep politics to #bitcoin or #bitcoin-wizards-offtopic (yes, its a channel with people in it :) 15:44 < Taek> (wrt hearn-maxwell-nytimes discussion) 15:45 < bramc> op_null, I just took a quick glance at the casper docs. The concept of relying on bonding makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end. 15:46 < op_null> bramc: It seems economically valid, the way they have setup the incentives 15:46 < op_null> i've very bullish on it 15:46 < adlai> Taek: ah sorry, I thought you meant that PoS belongs in -offtopic... it definitely counts as politics! 15:46 -!- raedah [~raedah@mb10536d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:47 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:48 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 15:48 < bramc> Taek, I'd intended to discuss the technical aspects of Hearn's rage quit, but... there isn't much of anything there really. Like him saying that greg maxwell should be discounted because he once proved that bitcoin can't work. Greg's proof is, in fact, valid, *making certain assumptions*, and those the details of how those assumptions are wrong are very important and explains why we need the screaming horror which is bit 15:48 < bramc> coin mining. 15:49 < bramc> op_null, Forcing bonding opens the system to outright theft of bonds in all kinds of myriad ways. It's a dangerous road. 15:50 < adlai> how's apolitical PoS coming along? 15:52 -!- c-cex-yuriy [uid76808@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dqvnmpohozxboctm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:53 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.215.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:59 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.215.244] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:59 < op_null> bramc: theft of bonds? thats impossible. Only if you bet on the wrong block you lose your bond 16:00 < op_null> also, losing bonds don't go to winners... they're destroyed (Burned) 16:00 < op_null> its a social good for all stakeholders 16:01 < adlai> it's much easier for a wealthy psychopath to sink a ship that he owns 16:01 < bramc> op_null, There are attacks where people trick others into betting on the wrong block and then retroactively make it bad. And burning a competitor's bond can be an effective way of someone getting to majority control. 16:02 -!- zookolaptop [~user@73.229.199.227] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:03 * adlai wonders under which department falls the "PoW is more socially beneficial than PoS, as its failure requires a greater number of mutually distrustful, rationally-deluded humans to act in a psychopathic manner" thesis 16:15 < op_null> bramc: i'm assuming you've read this? https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/12/28/understanding-serenity-part-2-casper/ 16:21 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@104-6-36-162.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:23 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:28 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:31 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:34 < bsm1175321> op_null: no. You can find my complaints on the blog, the first comment. I don't think they've addressed them at all. 16:37 -!- oneeman [~oneeman@ip48-68-15-186.ct.co.cr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:41 * adlai wonders how long it'll take "SPV" to become a dirty word, aimed at profit-minded grubby-handed gold-diggers 16:42 < bsm1175321> Huh? It's how most wallets work. 16:42 < adlai> "wallets" will become a dirty word long before "SPV" 16:47 -!- RoboTeddy [~roboteddy@c-67-188-40-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:49 -!- voxelot [~voxelot@remote.digitalmoneycorp.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:50 -!- murch [~murch@p4FE39FE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: GGuyZ] 17:06 -!- kang_ [67efea57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.103.239.234.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08 -!- binaryFate [~binaryFat@2a02:2788:9a6:71a:d56d:b772:1a53:ef4c] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:21 -!- bitri [~bitri@cpe-74-71-130-222.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:24 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.215.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:25 -!- mrkent_ [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [] 17:25 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:29 -!- 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