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07:05 < instagibbs> http://www.falcon-net.org/papers/falcon-retreat-2016-05-17.pdf
07:05 < instagibbs> kanzure, do we have links on this ^ ?
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07:06 < instagibbs> saw a weird version string on a node, found this via googling
07:07 < kanzure> nope i have nothing
07:09 < bsm117532> You've used that word again "trust".  I do not think it means what you think it means.
07:09 < bsm117532> http://www.falcon-net.org/
07:10 < instagibbs> oh wow, a schnazzy website
07:10 < waxwing> looking at that makes me wonder who is the predator and who the prey
07:11 < instagibbs> the FBRN has upgraded to a new version using UDP/FEC,  wonder if it's still "orthogonal"
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07:22 < instagibbs> their latency stats for their test network don't look amazing, but I'm not exactly an expert.
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09:09 < adam3us> worm-hole routing is their main claim.
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09:10 < sipa> when bandwidth is the limiting factor, using cut-through routing is certainly faster than the naive p2p pblock propagation bitcoin uses
09:10 < sipa> unsure to what extent it will matter after bip152
09:11 < bsm1175321> It's still a better network topology than Bitcoin's random one, so will likely still be an advantage even with BIP152.
09:12 < sipa> right, but that's due to the fact that it is a curated network, not the protocol
09:12 < sipa> it's more a competitor to the frbn than to bip152
09:12 < adam3us> sipa they claim advantage over FBRN
09:13 < adam3us> sipa yes
09:13 < sipa> they could even incorporate the relay network protocol in their system
09:15 < adam3us> but i suppose it is relevant in the sense that the push to narrow the gap between latency optimised curated miner networks and bitcoin p2p network wormhole routing could be useful.
09:15 < adam3us> fec and multi-source packet streaming might get the effect indirectly anyway though.
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09:16 < sipa> to be clear, despite using the word 'competitor' i don't mean that i consider it a bad idea
09:16 < adam3us> even a good thing for diversity
09:16 < sipa> it's something we've wanted to do in bitcoin p2p for years afaik, but it's extremely hard to do in the networking code (and would be hard to prevent denial of service attacks)
09:17 < sipa> i guess you'd split up blocks in small packets of a few kB each maybe, and give a partial merkle root for each
09:17 < sipa> so they can all individually be verified
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09:26 < instagibbs> I'd like to see the delta between their claimed benefits and just compression/reduce RTT strategies in bip152
09:26 < instagibbs> Though I'm guessing it's just "how long it takes to fully validate a block" per hop
09:27 < runeks> Can anyone explain why Bitcoin Core refuses to accept this transaction, saying "64: non-mandatory-script-verify-flag (Locktime requirement not satisfied)"?
09:27 < runeks> 0100000001056ab32aea70e55bb8b1e783c462df21ddc90409741b077591dfce87d8425cb0010000009b4730440220310f6d27466dfe2bd365c4b0a9fc78305f83679b08f98ed11368c790143c7f4b022005471fe3770ec5191e0ee44568292788a35e972bea935a8ddd928c2477ac201201004c50632103b5ad36dca793edf4664cd51b4d3fb41d35d0bd92c60f62ed08b2b55fdb2c5a6dad67048c7b5757b1756821038ea27103fb646a2cea9eca9080737e0b
09:27 < runeks> 23640caaaef2853416c9b286b353313eacffffffff01905f0100000000001976a91475d715f9a84555e752772c9ad62be90b3b7bb88a88ac00000000
09:28 < runeks> Perhaps I should have pastebinned that...: http://pastebin.com/QbdBa4th
09:28 < runeks> I've decoded the lockTime in the script to 1465351052 by hand, which should be more than 12 hours ago.
09:29 < runeks> The redeemScript looks like this (copied from CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY BIP): http://pastebin.com/ckmC9iCC
09:30 < sipa> did you also set nLockTime itself correctly?
09:30 < runeks> sipa: The transaction itself has lockTime 0 and sequence 0xffffffff
09:30 < runeks> sipa: Should I be doing that differently?
09:30 < instagibbs> nlocktime must be set to at(or above?) the value in the redeemscript
09:31 < runeks> Oh...
09:31 < instagibbs> CLTV is literally checking nlocktime
09:31 < instagibbs> not the block height
09:31 < sipa> runeks: CLTV tests the *nLockTime* value, not the block time
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09:32 < runeks> sipa: I don't understand. The lockTime I want checked is pushed onto the stack before executing OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY, no?
09:33 < runeks> This is the redeemScript: http://pastebin.com/ckmC9iCC
09:33 < sipa> runeks: yes, and OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY compares that value on the stack with the spending transaction's tx.nLockTime
09:33 < runeks> sipa: Ok. So the spending transaction's lockTime must be equal to or greater than the lockTime in the script?
09:34 < sipa> read the bip
09:34 < runeks> sipa: Fair enough
09:38 < instagibbs> haha, I guess I accidentally found the Falcon Relay before public announcement :)
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