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01:25 < maaku> petertodd: I'm really confused about your cannot-use-the-witness-nonce-for-soft-fork-extensions point
01:25 < maaku> i wrote code to do exactly that ~6mo ago
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01:40 < maaku> https://github.com/maaku/bitcoin/tree/segwit-commitment-path
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03:44 < zorba_tg> Vitalik Buterin on Segwit, does it make sense to anyone? https://en.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4r43ps/chinas_major_influence_over_bitcoin/d4yjy7t
03:54 < phantomcircuit> nope
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03:57 < phantomcircuit> also nxt isn't PoS  it relies heavily on the network being homogeneous and absolutely no block data being censored
03:57 < phantomcircuit> (as in there would be a permanent failure if an attack sustained a partition for like 24 hours or something pretty small)
03:58 < phantomcircuit> it's just another on a looooong list of things which are broken but nobody with a clue cares to exploit
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06:53 < instagibbs> PoNGAS
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10:43 < JackH> is CSV activating today?
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11:35 < jl2012> yes, in a few hours
11:36 < jl2012> "today" depends on your timezone
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11:43 < JackH> well I am cutting it short soon, 4.15 left for today
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12:12 < maaku> better get on that hashing then
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12:26 < JackH> haha
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12:35 < petertodd> maaku: what's confusing about it? your code wasn't merged
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15:10 < nicolagreco> do you guys have any comments on the inclusive blockchains paper?
15:11 < amiller_> this one? http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~avivz/pubs/15/inclusive_btc_full.pdf
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15:17 < nicolagreco> yes amiller_, it was on my reading list, I think the intuition of parallelizing block creation and merging of those in a main chain sounds really attractive (from a distributed systems point of view)
15:18 < nicolagreco> in other words, if you can avoid total order and have parallel agreements (that you can merge if there are no conflicts - I havent understood yet how they do)
15:18 < amiller_> i dont understand the detalis of it well, im also curious if anyone here does
15:18 < nicolagreco> but since a year is passed and I haven't read much, I wonder if we killed their destiny for some reason
15:18 < nicolagreco> or if they are still a valid intuition/idea
15:19 < kanzure> it was DAG stuff.
15:19 < nicolagreco> yup ^
15:19 < amiller_> ethereum uses ghost, and i think it is appropriate to say that ghost has not turned out to be the weakest link in ethereum design
15:20 < amiller_> ghost is closely related and came right before this paper, ghost basically does the same thing except you don't actually include any of the transactions off the main chain
15:20 < amiller_> you just give out block bonus points
15:21 < amiller_> there's a detailed game theory model in it, i'd like to understand that better
15:23 < nicolagreco> what I had in mind (I haven't thought through this much yet)
15:23 < nicolagreco> is that one could run parallel byzcoin instances in parallel in between elections
15:23 < nicolagreco> and then merge them eventually - and if not conflicting
15:24 < nicolagreco> (assuming that what the inclusive paper is correct)
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16:17 < r0ach> That NY Times article implying China has too much power brings up an interesting point about PoW.  If China is the marginal cost and manufacturing leader of the world, any open entropy system that relies on the same externalities should exactly mirror it.
16:18 < r0ach> So it's not an actual PoW or Bitcoin problem, but a real world problem...
16:18 < maaku> petertodd: my code demonstrates how the commitment mechanism works just fine
16:18 < maaku> as it is right now it unfortunately gives the segwit branch highest priority as a top-level commitment, which I was annoyed with
16:18 < maaku> but it *does* work
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16:24 < JackH> well well well, looks who has CSV now
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