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03:13 < fluffypony> [06:10:16]  <bsm1175321>	othe: I run a business which needs a full node.  I set it up, push GO, and walk away.  Let's call it SatoshiDice for example. <- the problem with this is that older versions of Bitcoin have had very serious exploits (eg. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51604.0). You *have to* keep updated if you're running a service, lest you expose yourself to risk that you could mitigate by updating regularly.
03:14 < fluffypony> and, in my humble opinion which I know some people disagree with, older clients should be forced to upgrade for their own protection
03:15 < fluffypony> there's nothing "wrong" with the approach that Bitcoin takes, and in time I'm certain the approach Monero takes might cause explosions we can't predict or know, so there is value in having both approaches at least to provide experience and learning
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03:17 < r0ach> *you're not supposed to tell investors the currency is going to explode
03:18 < fluffypony> that's why I keep dissuading investors, then I can talk about explosions all I want :)
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04:31 < Eliel_> fluffypony: If you ask me, the consensus code should be codified as code for a virtual machine with a very strict spec and the other parts of the framework would be an interpreter for this code along with the network handling stuff. Every block should contain reference to the consensus program it expects to be used to verify it.
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04:33 < Eliel_> preferably a declarative language. Written in a way that simultaneously specifies tests as well as functional parameters.
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04:49 < instagibbs> there are additional advantages in softforks that even if you're running some set-and-forget core system, you can(and should be) using another node as a border router. The border one can get updated with new ruleset.
04:50 < instagibbs> it's a smoother ramp for upgrades, if nothing else
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04:55 < bsm1175321> fluffypony: I agree with you of course.  I'm not proscribing a desired course of action, only stating that humans, by default, are lazy, and you can depend on that.
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04:58 < bsm1175321> Just look at the distribution of bitcoin node versions for proof: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/
04:59 < othe> thats why u should kick old insecure nodes offline, good that we agree on that :P
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06:50 < fluffypony> Eliel_: that's an interesting idea
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06:50 < fluffypony> re-architecting this at some point in a few years when we have additional hindsight might be well worth it
06:51 < Eliel_> fluffypony: yes, it's nice that you could potentially port the current bitcoin consensus code to work with that system. Even if the difficulty level is similar to rewriting the system.
06:52 < fluffypony> yup
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06:55 < Eliel_> fluffypony: the nice part of such a system is that it'd make it possible to soft or even hard fork without a need for node operators to upgrade. It'd just be the virtual machine code that gets upgraded. It could also automatically detect forks as those will involve a change in the consensuscode reference.
06:56 < Eliel_> umm automatically detect hard forks that is
06:56 < fluffypony> yes exactly
06:57 < Eliel_> that'd leave only security fixes as important fixes for the interpreter layer.
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