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00:50 < fluffypony> https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot16/woot16-paper-wustrow.pdf
00:50 < fluffypony> "DDoSCoin: Cryptocurrency with a Malicious Proof-of-Work"
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06:30 < waxwing> fluffypony: yeah posted it here a couple of days back, it's a creative thought :)
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07:29 < bsm117532> This might not be entirely useless -- an analagous idea might be used to prove that a transaction or block has propagated to a majority of nodes.
07:30 < bsm117532> Of course, it would require node identification and an authority certifying the same to work.  At which point you basically have PBFT.
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07:39 < fluffypony> waxwing: ah missed it - thanks
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10:14 < nsh> bsm117532, can you expand on that?
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10:32 < e_0> Sad to see the XIM implementation hasn't been updated since Dec: https://github.com/hudon/refraction
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11:05 < bsm117532> nsh: PAXOS/Raft/PBFT identify nodes.  Nakamoto identifies hashpower.  Sometimes people have an idea to mix the two models, but that's the fundamental dividing line.
11:10 < proslogion> DMMS vs SMMS
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11:27 < bsm117532> proslogion: exactly.  Trying to open Static Membership Multiparty Signature to new parties -- opens Sybil problems.  Trying to close DMMS by identifying nodes introduces centralization (in the case of the paper fluffypony linked, the centralization is in the TLS certificate issuer -- which is how you identify nodes).
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17:51 <@gmaxwell> [OT] The oliver stone snowden movie that will be coming out in mid september is pretty good. I didn't have high expectations-- since it's a mainstream dramatazation-- but was pleasently supprised.
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20:18 < kanzure> "Opportunities and limits of remote timing attacks" (2009) http://www.cs.rice.edu/~dwallach/pub/crosby-timing2009.pdf
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21:33 < bsm1175321> [OT] gmaxwell gets all the good tix.  I saw Star Trek tonight.  I'm pretty sure the writers thought they were making a video game.  Something about pushing four levers to open the next door...
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