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02:02 < fluffypony> xinming: #bitcoin-dev
02:08 < jonasschnelli> xinming: yes. walletdump RPC
02:08 < jonasschnelli> dumpwallet sry
02:10 < luke-jr> fluffypony: #bitcoin-dev isn't for support either. #bitcoin is.
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02:25 < fluffypony> s'true
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04:15 < xinming> jonasschnelli: Thanks for the answer.
04:16 < xinming> fluffypony: Ok, I'll go #bitcoin
04:16 < xinming> luke-jr: I'll go bitcoin
04:16 < xinming> thanks
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10:35 < JackH> what would happen if a miner pushes a segwit block onto the network right now? would that miner fork out of the network, or would those that have not adopted segwit be forked out? what would happen to the full nodes? which chain would they follow?
10:36 < instagibbs> JackH, it's a softfork, meaning it's valid based on old rules. It will be treated like any other block. (with "legacy" serialization to peers of course)
10:37 < kanzure> if you restrict your question to anyonecanspends, ask yourself that question again :)
10:37 < instagibbs> no nodes will follow this any more or less than before
10:37 < instagibbs> bip9 is how nodes are meant to detect the activation of softforks
10:37 < kanzure> also, a segwit block can have no anyonecanspends
10:37 < kanzure> so...
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10:38 < JackH> wait that doesnt make sense
10:38 < JackH> I get that nodes can read this as anyonecanspend
10:39 < JackH> but what if the block is 1.1 MB
10:39 < kanzure> it's a restriction on top of existing anyonecanspend behavior, the restriction is enforced by soft-fork
10:40 < kanzure> JackH: anyonecanspend doesn't require witnesses, right? how would it be 1.1 MB :).
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10:41 < JackH> yes but what if the miner pushes out a block of 1.1MB based on the segwit enabled rules
10:41 < JackH> I assume that would push him out only
10:41 < kanzure> it's not 1.1 MB
10:41 < JackH> it was an example
10:41 < JackH> 1.2, 1.6, whichever size
10:41 < kanzure> your example is wrong... it's anyonecanspend.
10:42  * JackH goes back to reading about anyonecanspend
10:42 < instagibbs> JackH, if you hand a node something with a new serialization it doesn't understand, they can't parse it
10:42 < kanzure> JackH: there's no extra signature data required. your 0.1 MB is not transmitted as part of the block.
10:43 < kanzure> the soft-fork enforces the requirement of the extra signature data
10:43 < JackH> ok let me try to ask differently, I may be complete in the dark here
10:44 < JackH> say we have 80% of miners signalling for the segwit proposal
10:44 < JackH> and no more than that
10:44 < JackH> these 80% collude and start enforcing the segwit patch
10:44 < JackH> what happens the moment they enforce it to the rest of the nodes?
10:45 < instagibbs> no deployed segwit node would know anything other than orphan rate shot up
10:45 < instagibbs> if the 80% starts mass orphaning for entire retarget periods, that's a different story
10:46 < JackH> so there wont be a chain split?
10:47 < kanzure> JackH: orphans. giant reorgs. otherwise the non-participating miners will include non-segwit transactions that spend the anyonecanspends.
10:51 < instagibbs> JackH, consensus can not be broken unless the miners mine an entire 2016 block retarget period, get segwit nodes to follow, then stop enforcing segwit after.
10:51 < JackH> instagibbs, thats a completely different scenario that includes a different type of attack
10:52 < instagibbs> I'm saying your scenario does nothing, and detailing one that actually could happen
10:52 < kanzure> his scenario doesn't do nothing, it just makes a lot of freely available coins :)
10:52 < JackH> hmm, I am confused now, as I thought my scenario would result in a chain split 80/20
10:53 < JackH> (at least for the active miners/pools)
10:53 < instagibbs> go read the bip9 spec
10:53 < instagibbs> and how that relates to op_csv and segwit
10:53 < instagibbs> this is kinda #bitcoin territory if we want to continue chatting
10:57 < JackH> yeah
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